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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:32 PM
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Gay Iraq
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/world/08/06/0806iraqgays.html

Gays in Iraq say state targets them for harassment, execution

Country was once more open to homosexuality

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske
THE LOS ANGELES TIMES
Monday, August 06, 2007

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Samir Shaba sits in a restaurant, nervously describing gay life in Iraq. He speaks in a low voice, occasionally glancing over his shoulder.

Before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the heavyset, clean-shaven man says he frequented the city's gay blogs, online chat rooms and dance clubs, where he wore flashy tight clothes, his hair long and loose to his shoulders.


After the invasion, he and other gays and lesbians were driven underground by sectarian violence and religious extremists. Shaba, 25, started wearing baseball caps and baggy T-shirts, stopped visiting clubs and chat rooms, packed his flashy clothes away. But he said he couldn't bear to cut his hair.
"I cannot change everything immediately," he said, fingering his black ponytail. "I suffered because I didn't cut it."

Recently, Shaba said, police commandos noticed his hair as he was riding in a taxi through a checkpoint in central Baghdad. Suspecting he was gay, the four commandos dragged him out of the taxi by his hair and forced him into an armored car. They demanded his cell phone, cash and sex.

When he refused, they beat him with a baton and gang-raped him, he says. He rubs the back of his shirt, feeling for the scars.

"They got what they wanted because I thought otherwise I would lose my life," Shaba said, and he begins to weep. "They threatened me that if I told anyone, they would kill me."

Human rights groups say Iraqi gays increasingly are targeted by militias and police. The United Nations and State Department have issued reports documenting some of the more recent killings.

A U.N. report in January cited attacks on gays by militants, as well as the existence of "religious courts, supervised by clerics, where homosexuals allegedly would be tried, sentenced to death and then executed."

Iraqi leaders dispute those reports, and Middle East experts say it's difficult to tell whether the attacks are state-sanctioned.

"Nobody's paying attention to this issue," said Ali Dabbagh, spokesman for Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. "It is not the custom of the people of Iraq. Not only Iraq, but the whole region."

In October 2005, Iraq's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, issued a "fatwa," or religious order, on his Web site calling homosexuality "forbidden" and declaring that gays and lesbians should be "punished, in fact, killed. The people involved should be killed in the worst, most severe way."

The fatwa against gay men was removed from Sistani's Web site last year, but it was not revoked, according to Ali Hili, an Iraqi gay rights activist living in London who petitioned Sistani's office to remove it.

Hili compiles details of the killings, including photographs of gay victims, and posts them online.

Shaba says his cousin Alan, 26, who also was gay, was shot in the head when he went to answer the door while the two were having lunch.

Although Alan might have been targeted because he was working as a translator with U.S. forces in the Green Zone, Shaba said he thinks his cousin was killed because he was openly gay.

"There are other translators in our neighborhood, and nobody killed them," he said.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:38 PM
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1. Iraq seems to be becoming the country...
...the insanely religious right in this nation would like the US to be. Openly bigotted, excessively armed, where religious codes are enforced by law and violence, and massive corporations run amuck with no accountability and an endless flow of cash. It's a small wonder that they aren't all bording planes to go over to what sounds like their paradise.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 05:53 PM
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10. ya
you're forgetting the prostitutes, though. The religious types aren't happy without their underage prostitutes, and apparently that industry was almost non-existant in Iraq before the invasion. Now the sex and drug trade are flourishing, much the to detriment of the women and children involved.
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Progressive_In_NC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:47 AM
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17. But the baathists didn't need prostitutes...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 06:48 AM by Progressive_In_NC
Once you worked your way high enough in the party; you could just rape anybody you wanted to off the street. And heck, if it was in front of their parents while somebody else held them back, so be it.

My expatriated cousin-in-law has some crazy stories to tell. he's a strange bird, and has my cousin walking around New Jersey in a traditional clothing (head scarves and long robes and the like), and she grew up in good old North Carolina.


--edited because I can't spell expatriated.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:03 AM
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18. you know
I was talking to an anarchist one day, and they said that in the future of america, the ruling class would own everything and have all the money.

I had a flash of inspiration at that point. I pointed out the way things are going, that a petty gov't worker, say in the DMV or a politician's office, didn't need money- they could force her to give them a blowjob on a public street, simply by telling her that if she doesn't d it, she would be turned in to our no charges justice system as a possible subversive.

That epiphany opened my mind to what was really going on here. Right now most of us are wage slaves. In the future, we will be true slaves- no carrots, only the stick. Wanna live? Comply!

The question returns- will the system break us, or will we break the system?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:39 PM
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2. How infuriating.
:mad: (Don't look for anyone in this administration to speak out against homophobic violence in Iraq.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:43 PM
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3. There seems to be no end to the horrors we have visited
on these people. :mad:
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Kuz478 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:49 PM
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4. If Bushs crusade happen as imagined the results would be the same.
Fundie's here would do the same if allowed.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 01:02 PM
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5. I'm Going to Kick Myself Now...n/t
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:52 PM
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6. Read People, Read...n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 04:17 PM
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7. I read this article in the Oregonian today.
It was very heartbreaking.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 04:27 PM
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8. Off to the greatest..
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 04:55 PM
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9. Listen closely...
...that's the sound of freedom on the march!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 05:58 PM
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12. Yes.. one hears the click-clack of many boots n/t
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 05:55 PM
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11. We are doing such a good job
bringing freedom there! :sarcasm:

Women, children and gays are going back to the dark ages there.

Oh, wait. The fundies don't care about those groups.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 05:59 PM
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13. Good thing we liberated those folks, right Lee?
:(

k/r
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 06:33 PM
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14. just another horror that won't make it into the september report.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 06:36 PM
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15. A theocracy filled with gay-hating religious zealots.....
Gee, BushCo really is reshaping Iraq in America's image. :)
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:40 AM
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16. the righties are gettin their way with this war-
they get to kill ragheads and faggots (god I hate that word) at the same time.
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