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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:22 AM
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Petition: Enforce Armor Piercing Ammo Restrictions
On January 30, 2007 Deputy Sheriff Mike Altman, Mrs. Yowza^3's first cousin, was killed in the line of duty:

Grand Jury Reports - Murder of Mellie McDaniel and Deputy Mike Altman
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Assailant Sands was wearing camouflage, combat boots, and was disguised by a wig and false moustache and facial cosmetic make-up. Assailant Brown was dressed in a suit and tie and hat.
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Deputy Altman’s response to Mrs. McDaniels’ cry for help was speedy, without hesitation and without regard to his personal safety. He died attempting to protect and serve the people of Jackson County to whom he had sworn to protect and serve.
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Recovered were several boxes of ammunition, latex gloves, bleach, duct tape, shopping bags, a handcuff key, and flexible cuffs.
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The medical examiner for the 14th Circuit found that Mrs. McDaniel was killed by a .38 caliber gunshot to the back of her head which was inflicted while she was in a kneeling position. A nonfatal gunshot wound was inflicted to Deputy Altman’s face, exiting his neck. This projectile was recovered for comparison purposes. Two additional .38 caliber projectiles were removed from the body of Deputy Altman. The forensic medical evidence indicates these two fatal wounds were inflicted while Deputy Altman’s back was on the ground.



The family is assembling a site including a petition for "lawmakers to enforce the law concerning the sale of Armour Piercing Ammunition to unauthorized customers." Please consider signing & forwarding. Thanks and note that the petition address fields can be bypassed.

Further Links -
Report details deaths of sheriff's wife, deputy
Officer Down Memorial Page
Mike Altman saluted as a hero
Fallen Deputy Laid to Rest

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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:01 PM
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1. Afternoon kick for Mike.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:08 PM
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2. Which brand/type of ammo was used?
I wasn't aware that .38cal came in AP.
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:11 PM
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3. AP ammo has been illegal for a while.
Any AP handgun ammo is automatically illegal, and has been for quite some time. If the officer was shot with a rifle, this petition would be calling for the banning of virtually every center-fire rifle out there, because most police vests are only rated for handgun ammunition, not rifle.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:44 PM
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7. As I understand it, ...
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 09:53 PM by yowzayowzayowza
they are only asking that existing law be enforced.

On edit to All: Mrs. Yowza^3 is gettin with the family regarding the ammo particulars. I still confused by the insurance angle. Hopefully back with info tomorrow. Thx.

Also, would any of these .38 rounds be considered 'armor piercing'?

http://www.conjay.com/Ammunition%20for%20Armor%20Testing%20Handgun-Revolver.htm
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:51 PM
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9. Some of these are, but they are restricted to police and military only
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 02:52 PM by benEzra
Some of these are, but they are restricted to police and military only:



It is a Federal felony to transfer this ammunition to a U.S. civilian who is not a police officer.

Reading the link in the OP, it doesn't look like AP ammunition was used in this murder.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:18 PM
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4. How is it that AP capability aided in this crime?
From reading your description it seems both victims were incapacitated by wounds not covered by armor of any kind.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:21 PM
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5. "Armor-piercing .38" is an oxymoron.
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 03:22 PM by Zynx
Not to mention it sounds like both people in question were shot in the head, where no one wears armor except for SWAT and soldiers.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:22 PM
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6. Whats the relationship between AP ammo and this story?
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 03:23 PM by TX-RAT
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:47 PM
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8. It was already banned in 1986. It's been banned for 21 years.
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 02:50 PM by benEzra
Armor-piercing handgun ammunition was banned in 1986, by H.R.3132, which became Public Law 99-408. It was supported by both gun-control groups and the NRA. It was extended to cover rifle calibers up through 7.62x51mm by a BATFE administrative decision in 1994.

Legislative history and background here: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html

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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:12 AM
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10. Are restrictions not being enforced? N/T
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