Your favorite Giuliani links/stories/quotes here:

[Gabi Hayes]

Can we start with this nugget of adamantine eloquence from his speech at the 2004 Republican convention, as he recounted the FIRST thing that he said to another human being as he saw the twin towers collapsing:

''At the time, we believed that we would be attacked many more times that day and in the days that followed. Without really thinking, based on just emotion, spontaneous, I grabbed the arm of then-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, and I said to him, "Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president."

Kind of a twofer, isn't it, what with bringing his confessed FELON pal back into the picture?

If you like, you can go here for a large number of as-yet unmined gems from the piehole of this media darling. How on earth are the corporate media going to find enough superlatives to distribute evenly between Giuliani and McCain?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/giuliani.transcript/

[MADem]

1. I think the pics of him in full makeup and dresses, dresses and more dresses are the bee's knees! N

[Gabi Hayes]

4. yeah....I just saw a great one here a few minutes ago. hadn't seen it before.

wonder if they have any like that of he and Kerik together.

speaking of which, here's Rudy, commenting on Kerik at the time of his nomination as Homeland Security chief:

Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Kerik's boss in city government and later at a private consulting firm, told The Associated Press the former undercover detective will surprise many within the sprawling bureaucracy of homeland security.

"When you see him, he's a big strong guy and a black belt," said Giuliani. "What you get to know when you work with him is how smart he is ... how effective and sophisticated a manager he is."
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/258597p-221354c.html

........

Rudy, how many counts was it he pled to? Can you refresh our memories?

[MADem]

6. There's some great film on YouTube of him and Trump smooching it up for laughs

Yeah...Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States????

Christ, that makes Reagan and Bonzo the Chimp look DIGNIFIED....

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

[jeff30997]

2. thank God George Bush is our president ?

The first thing that he said to another human being as he saw the twin towers collapsing:


Thank God I'm not in-there!!!!

[Parche]

3. RUDE

He is such a drag........

[WillyT]

24. Sure Is...

:evilgrin:

[Poiuyt]

5. He married his cousin

[MADem]

8. And dumped her when it was revealed she was infertile.

And his THIRD wife is already speculating on her future as FIRST lady...

Pathetic.

[kskiska]

26. The third wife

Rudy's not the only one with a wandering eye.

[Czolgosz]

7. I liked when Giuliani violated the First Amendment by attempted to censor the Brooklyn Museum by

cutting off city funding because the museum would not remove works which offended King Rudy's fine sense of propriety.

There is something special about a guy who gets offended by art but who has no problem (1) dumping his first wife after he "discovers" that they are cousins and (2) dumping his second wife after cheating on her in the governor's mansion and then letting her know about the divorce by holding a press conference to announce the pending divorce before first privately disclosing his plan to divorce her.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. me, too! great story, especially the fittingness of the painter's medium,

when comparing it to the matter of which Giuliani is comprised

[eleny]

9. No quote but I saw him on tv say this...

During those first days after 9/11 Rudy held news conferences throughout the days and evenings. At one of these Q&As, a reporter asked about the quality/safety of the air in lower downtown NYC. Rudy looked somewhat bewildered but replied that the air had been tested and that it was safe.

I stared at the tv and called him a lying sack of shit.

Thanks for giving me to opportunity to talk about this again. It's definitely on tape somewhere. People out there have to have been taping the tv during those days. I'd love to watch a replay of this nugget of proof of his lying ass.

[adigal]

14. And I'll volunteer my gorgeous ex-NYFD husband

who was disabled by the air down there to make a commercial against him, using that footage.

Prick. All they cared about was opening Wall Street.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. see post number 15

which backs up your comment almost perfectly

[eleny]

19. .

:hug: {{{adigal}}} :hug:

[Gabi Hayes]

15. something along these lines?

Part I

Rudy Giuliani was hailed a hero after 9/11. But CBS 2 has learned his administration may have knowingly put New Yorkers in harm's way after the attacks.

CBS 2 obtained memos that show the city was told the air at Ground Zero was toxic, but reopened Lower Manhattan anyway.

What did the former mayor know about the air quality at Ground Zero and when did he know it?

An explosive memo from the federal Environmental Protection Agency to an associate commissioner at the city health department -- dated October 5, 2001 -- told the tale.

http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_250165234.html



Part II

MARCIA KRAMER, WCBS-TV - Stunning proof has been uncovered that the government knowingly put New Yorkers in harm's way after 9/11. CBS 2 News has obtained documents revealing that Lower Manhattan was reopened a few weeks following the attack even though the air was not safe. The two devastating memos, written by the U.S. and local governments, show they knew. They knew the toxic soup created at ground zero was a deadly health hazard. Yet they sent workers into the pit and people back into their homes.

One of the memos, from the New York City health department, dated Oct. 6, 2001, noted: "The mayor's office is under pressure from building owners ... in the Red Zone to open more of the city." The memo said the Department of Environmental Protection was "uncomfortable" with opening the areas but, "The mayor's office was directing the Office of Emergency Management to open the target areas next week.". . .

Another part of the memo noted: "The E.P.A. has been very slow to make data results available and to date has not sufficiently informed the public of air quality issues arising from this disaster."

"Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me," said health protestor Yuichi Tamamo. "For the last five years we've been saying air quality here has been horrible.". . .
Bruce Sprague, an E.P.A. official in the New York and New Jersey region during 9/11 admitted to CBS 2 News the agency was finding alarming air quality readings at Ground Zero and in the surrounding areas.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_249164937.html

I wonder whatever happened to Marcia Kramer.....

[Gabi Hayes]

11. How do I love, thee? Let me count the ways.....

[Gabi Hayes]

12. ''GIULIANI HAS TRADEMARKED HIS OWN NAME''

Rudy Giuliani never shrank from defending his image as mayor, but as a businessman he's gone a step further - even trademarking his own name, the Daily News has learned. The unusual step, revealed in a recent Giuliani company contract obtained by The News, states under the heading "Use of Mr. Giuliani's Name" that the "trade names and trademarks 'Rudolph Giuliani,' or 'Giuliani Partners LLC' . . . shall not be used . . . without prior written consent." Doing anything that "tarnishes, degrades, disparages or reflects adversely on the Giuliani" name, it adds, will be grounds for terminating the contract.

As Giuliani now ponders a run for the White House, the document underscores what has become a central question of his candidacy - how will the former mayor's roster of mostly private business clients play when viewed through the harsh prism of presidential campaign politics?

It is clearly something the mayor's own people are worried about: In a list of potential "problems" written inside a Giuliani campaign dossier and obtained by The News last week from a source sympathetic to a rival campaign, the word "business" appears at the top of the list, above even his ex-wife, Donna Hanover. . .

In the five years that Giuliani has worked in the private sector, his clients have run the gamut, from gambling interests like the National Thoroughbred Racing Association, which may further trouble Christian conservative voters, to large power-generators like the Atlanta-based Southern Co., which environmentalists regard as among the worst polluters in the nation. He has lent his name to every corner of the energy industry - representing nuclear, oil and natural gas concerns - and worked with the pharmaceutical industry to keep cheap prescription drugs from flowing into the U.S. from Canada.

And that's just what is publicly known.

Giuliani Partners and its subsidiaries are all privately held companies, and the former mayor has refused to release a full client list - making a clear analysis of his net worth impossible, and very likely raising disclosure questions, should he run for President. . .

http://prorev.com/rudy.htm

[Gabi Hayes]

13. from the above link, which contains LOTS of interesting info:

Giuliani told Time magazine after Kerik's withdrawal that although he knew there were black marks on Kerik's record, "everything seemed pretty normal, at least by Washington or New York standards."

[Gabi Hayes]

17. anybody remember this movie: "Giuliani Time"

this link is almost a year old....I've never heard of it.



http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/408248p-345436c.html

Rudy Giuliani better hope that a new documentary on his mayoralty, "Giuliani Time," never makes it to cineplexes in Iowa, New Hampshire and other presidential battlegrounds.
The two-hour film, which debuts May 12, casts Giuliani not as the hero of 9/11 - the role that won him acclaim as America's Mayor - but rather as the iron-fisted ruler of a city where children went hungry, the poor were forgotten and many city cops were racists.

In short, "Giuliani Time" seeks to do for Giuliani what Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" did for President Bush - namely, shine an unsparing light on the darker corners of his life and career, just as he starts to run for President.

"It is always a mixed message with Rudy," said Kevin Keating, 61, a veteran cameraman who is making his directorial debut with "Giuliani Time." "But I don't think he is going to be remembered as a great mayor."

[Gabi Hayes]

20. you do realize he's going to be the pug nominee, don't you?

isn't it time to start doing the M$M's job for them, once again?

[DesertRat]

21. I don't think he'll make it very far in the primaries

I think that he's polling high right now because Repugs don't really know much about him. When they learn his views on gay rights, gun control and abortion, not to mention his relationship history, I think they'll go for McCain. :puke:

[Czolgosz]

22. Agreed. He's a dead man walking. He'll have a good season in Iowa and, less so, in New Hampshire,

but that will be the end of the road for cousin-lovin', thrice-married, divorce-by-press-conference Rudy. Interestingly, I think Giuliani's most profound impact of the race will be to draw support from Romney and McCain so that a real nut-job like Brownback has a real shot at pulling off a Goldwater.

[MADem]

28. He might actually do it in NH--the Republicans there, many of 'em, are

cheap bastards who didn't want to pay state taxes in MA. So they went north, and ended up paying property taxes out their asses instead! But that's not the point...they just might not have a problem with Rudy so much, because he's a bit more socially liberal than many (though not all) of the GOP candidates. I think the heartland is where he'll have his ass handed to him, myself.

I still think he'll have problems with the female vote, once they realize his disdain for his wives. And it's hard to see how helpful Judy will be, seeing as she is perceived as breaking up the Giuliani-Hanover home, which included CHILDREN...she'll maybe rake in the "homewrecker" vote???

I'm not even getting into his bullying police force killing guys waving their wallets, or his foul temper, or his cavalier attitude.

I see the guy self-destructing or finding an excuse to bow out if he stays with it for too long--but who knows? He might have "new found" staying power...but it would have to be fresh and new.

Hell, John Kerry had prostate cancer and surgery, and he kept campaigning. Rudy used his diagnosis as an excuse to avoid having to campaign (and get beaten like a rented mule) against Hillary. I think he's a bit of a cluck-cluck-chicken...he doesn't like tough, uphill fights.

[Czolgosz]

30. You think Rudy can beat Romney in NH? If Romney loses NH, he's a goner. I have been assuming that NH

will got to Romney, followed by McCain who's done well there in the past, and - with Romney and McCain taking up such a huge chunk of the non-fundamentalist vote - I was thinking that Giuliani was at risk of placing behind Brownback or Huckabee if either of those two can unite the fundamentalist vote.

I keep wondering which Repubs are going to see themselves slipping out of contention and go viciously negative against the others. I see Giuliani as the likeliest candidate for this ignominious role.

[MADem]

31. Well, Mitt the Shitt does have a house up there, that he lived in most of the year while

he was MA gov, but that said, he's lurched far right since then. And those primaries bring out the voters owing to the press coverage, so you'll see a boatload of people from the mushy middle voting. The arch-conservatives will go for Romney, and the mushy middle will have to choose between McCain, who's starting to look like the heir to Dubya with his absurd pronouncements, and Giuliani, who has personal baggage with Wife Numbah Three, but is sufficiently socially progressive, is "America's (choke, huck) mayor" while retaining that funky GOP flavor.

Who knows how the split will go--it really depends on GOTV (and the weather, too) and who has the best "machine" in place on primary day. I'm guessing that the hard right is a little disillusioned and just might stay home or get cheap with their donations, while the moderates are thinking that they might be able to hold the WH with a "triangulating" (on social issues) candidate.

Don't rule Giuliani out just yet...after all, Romney was a failure as governor of the state to the south, he's a MORMON, and there will no doubt be a lot of polygamy and Holy Underwear jokes made at his expense, and once he starts campaigning in earnest, all of his many failures in MA (the tunnel fiasco that happened because he cut maintenance funding; our own Massachusetts "mini-Katrina" where he was out of state, cities were flooding, and his LTGOV didn't do jackshit) will come to the fore, and he's just a 'greasy, sleazy' type when he gets too much exposure. He's also a Flip-Flopper of the worst order, going from pro-choice/pro-gay marriage to anti both of those issues. Now, McCain has other problems--we know them. Only two wives, but the first he treated horribly, he was a dreadful womanizer after he came home from Hanoi, the pillpopping younger wife, a reputation for a fierce temper, he's getting OLD and crochety, he has recurring episodes of "the big C" (cancer) and last but surely not least, is too closely associated with Dumbya The War Pretzle-dent.

There's a long, long road between now and the primary. And NH has surprised before. It is too soon to tell, but the way I see it, any one of those candidates could race away with it, depending on the poltical realities on primary day!

[Czolgosz]

32. I don't rule Rudy out. In fact, I hope Rudy wins because, as we learned in 2006, if the

fundamentalists are not enthusiastic and stay home at even slightly-higher-than-average rates, we win big.

I think Rudy will have just that turnout-dampening effect on fundamentalists.

Due to the fact that I think Rudy will inspire lower turnout among the Repub base, the only candidate of ours I think Rudy could potentially beat is Hillary (not that I don't like Hillary), but I think that Hillary's candidacy might get out Repub base voters who might otherwise stay home if Giuliani is their nominee (i.e., I think the Repub base might turn out to vote against Hillary even if they might not otherwise turn out to vote for Giuliani).

P.S. I'm not the only one who appears to see a scenario where Giuliani might win the nomination and then immediately find himself in need of a means to bridge the gap between him and the Repub fundamentalists. Texas Governor Rick Perry is pimping himself as a VP candidate, which makes me wonder why would anyone want a luke warm, unpopular Texas Governor who's accomplished little on the ticket. Then it occurred to me, a New Yorker with zero appeal among the fundamentalists who compose a big part of the Repub base might want a right-wing professed Christian from Texan to balance the ticket.

[MADem]

34. Wow, what a dream ticket for the Democrats!!!

The Oppo research is so easy--half of it is in the bag already!

Perry's private life is rife with speculation, and for that reason alone, I can't see him on the ticket. He might get a cabinet reward, but they have to win the prize first...

[Czolgosz]

41. I'm down here in Texas. The speculation about Perry's private life has been pretty well vetted.

Either it is not true or, if true, it is not ever going to be confirmed. In advance of Perry's recent re-election in a nasty 4-way race, everyone who might have possibly confirmed this speculation has gone on the record refuting it.

Nevertheless, Perry would make an awful VP because his record here in Texas has been bereft of accomplishment.

[NewJeffCT]

33. We underestimate Giuliani at our own peril

The last man nominated for president by the Republicans had a history of drug abuse & alcoholism, deserted the frackin' national guard during a war, a failed businessman and came from an aristocratic New England family. Yet, by the time he sealed the nomination, George W. Bush was a down-home Texas cowboy, a regular family guy and a devout, god-fearing Christian.

Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to bury their head in the sand and overlook certain faults if they hear a few key code words.

That said, we need to be ready to hammer ANY Republic nominee for president. And, we need to have a consistent message in hammering them. In 2004, we had hundreds of good and legit attacks on Bush. But, they were all over the place (Iraq, environment, budget deficit, tax cuts for the rich, forgetting bin Laden, etc, etc). Republicans had one theme on Kerry - he was an opportunistic flip-flopper who couldn't be trusted with national security. Every Republican attack was on that one theme.

[MADem]

35. It all hangs on how he does in early primaries. If he comes in first or a strong second

he'd be motivated. I think he'd get all "take my ball and go home" if it is a three or four way race for a long period of time, and more so if he were trailing a couple of other strong candidates, like say, Hagel, Asswipe McCain, or a player to be named later.

Who knows, though? The primaries are a long way away....

[Gabi Hayes]

36. you're on the right track, but everybody here evincing skepticism re: Rudy's

impending nomination is ignoring the obvious 800 lb gorilla on the TV screen.....

as you say in your first paragraph, the drug/alcohol-addled narcissist in the WH is there ONLY because of the willing participation of the mainstream media in both his "election" campaigns, which brings me to RG....

Have you seen any critical coverage of him there since 911? Any at all? If there has been, said coverage has had the legs of, say, Max Cleland.

Take your pick on who gets the softer treatment: McCain or Giuliani. My only uncertainty is upon whose shoulders the weight of M$M largesse will cascade most fully. That is the man who's going to wear the RNC laurel. Forget Romney. He's completely out of the picture....no chance at all. The wingnuts trogs who control millions of votes don't even consider him a CHRISTIAN, for God's sake.

Never forget, it's all about the media. Until they begin talking about the real Giuliani, or the real McCain (as in...never?), we'll be in for more of the same corporate fascist newspeak we've been experiencing since the Carter presidency.

[NewJeffCT]

39. Thanks - finally somebody agrees with me

I've been warning folks on Giuliani and others for months when people were all downplaying their chances.

And, I had lost my train of thought while typing that up at work (darn work kept interrupting!) - but, you had nicely pointed out what I missed after my first paragraph about how the media was complicit in making the image of Bush (as much as they were complicit in making Gore the "liar" and allowing the Swift Boaters to fester for a month with Kerry)

[Czolgosz]

23. delete n/m

[Bucky]

40. Despite the fact that he'll change his tune on gay rights, guns, etc., I agree

These big city moderate Republicans do not know what shit they're wading into when they come on down to flyover country. Giuliani stands a better chance by running as an indy.

[MADem]

27. Only if Judy can get out the "husband stealing hussy" vote!!!

Now that's a GOTV effort that's maybe a bridge too far...

[no_hypocrisy]

25. Here's an oldie-but-goodie from the archives of Giuliani memorable quotes:

"BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!! BULLSHIT!!!"
on a megaphone at a police rally at City Hall during his second try at running for mayor, with reference to his low esteem for his opponent, then-Mayor David Dinkins.

[WinkyDink]

29. "I'm calling this press conference to announce I'm divorcing Donna Hanover."

Paraphrasing Rudy's SURPRISE for his wife.

[HamdenRice]

37. Giuliani got unhinged over weasels (ferrets)

He went stark raving mad whenever the ferret lobby tried to talk to him about the city's ban on ferrets as pets. The transcript doesn't do justice to the absolutely bezerker demeanor and voice:

Giuliani:

There is something deranged about you ... this excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness ... you should go consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist with this excessive concern, how you are devoting your life to weasels. You need somebody to help you. There are people in this city and in this world that need a lot of help. Something has gone wrong with you.

A week later to another ferret activist (from a blog comment):

<quote>

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/11/rudy_retrospect.html

Caller Let me introduce myself again: David Guthartz, executive president of New York Ferrets' Rights Advocacy. Last week when we spoke, you made a very disparaging remark to me: that I should get a life. That was very unprofessional of you.

Giuliani There's something deranged about you.

Guthartz No, there isn't, sir.

Giuliani The excessive concern that you have for ferrets is something you should examine with a therapist, not with me.

Guthartz Don't go insulting me again!

Giuliani I'm not insulting you. I'm being honest with you. Maybe no one in your life has ever been honest with you.

Guthartz I happen to be more sane than you.

Giuliani This conversation is over, David. Thank you.

Guthartz was then cut off the air, but Giuliani continued: "There is something really, really, very sad about you," he said. "You need help. This excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness. You should consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist ..."

Yep - Rudy Giuliani: America's Mayor

(He actually has an extensive history of insisting that anyone who disagrees with him about anything is mentally ill - rather a daring charge, on Rudy's part, I would think.)

<end quote>

[Gabi Hayes]

42. just imagine if any dem had ever said anything CLOSE to this.....

[Taxloss]

38. Frozen yoghurt.

He appeared on Seinfeld as himself, getting tough on the issue of full-fat frozen yoghurt passing itself off as non-fat. It was shameless stuff.

[AX10]

43. kick

[Poiuyt]

44. There had been a primary in NY scheduled for 9/11. Rudy refused to postpone it

And then he tried to extend his term beyond his limit because he was the only mayor who could lead NY

[rniel]

45. Guliana said he invented the internet

:)

[Gabi Hayes]

46. looks like he was undercover down in Caracas, posing as a Chavista

?

[Gabi Hayes]

47. "On the Media" .....NPR....talking about Rudy and what creep he is, basically.

http://www.will.uiuc.edu/main/listen.htm

Wayne Barrett.....have to check and see if he did Giuliani Time, which I linked above....

EDIT....here

heh; not a flattering look, from an editor at the Village Voice. now wonder nobody's ever heard of it

http://www.amazon.com/Rudy-Investigative-Biography-Rudolph-Giuliani/dp/0465005233

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0465005233.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Gabi Hayes]

48. Truer words never spoken:

Rudy Giuliani's legacy is that he was the luckiest mayor we have had in a long time. He was blessed by being mayor when we had a great national upsurge in the economy. He was blessed by being mayor when we had a national downturn in crime. He was blessed because he had very little to do with either phenomenon in New York, but most New Yorkers and most tourists will think he did.

Most celebrants of Rudy Giuliani seem mesmerized by the disappearance of the squeegee men. As I wrote in my book "Rudy," the issue of the squeegees is where the hocus pocus started:

Candidate Rudy promised to wash them out of our hair. While they seemed everywhere, an NYPD report found that there were only 75 of them in 1993, planted like Calvin Klein billboards in unavoidable locations. So Ray Kelly, the police commissioner who worked for Dinkins, heard Giuliani's campaign cry and drove the squeegees off the streets before Rudy raised his own Windex-free right hand on inaugural day. The whole world, years later, thinks Rudy did it -- the predictable result of endless repetition.

But Bill Bratton himself conceded in his 1998 book that by the time he arrived at police headquarters, the squeegees were gone, noting that, "ironically, Giuliani and I got credit for the initiative." Only politics, Bratton concluded, prevented David Dinkins and Ray Kelly from receiving their due.
..........

http://www.gothamgazette.com/commentary/91.barrett.shtml

don't stop there; words needs to get out somehow, cause you're not going to hear it anywhere in corporate media. I hope I'm wrong, but did we EVER hear about things like the Texas Funeral Commission/SCI scandal, just for starters?

will we ever hear how close St. Rudy's ties to utterly corrupt Bernie Kerik were?

[Gabi Hayes]

49. St. Rudy: The Mayor and the Myth

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0635,barrett,74322,6.html

Rudy's Grand Illusion
What Giuliani likes to remember about 9-11—and what he actually did (or didn't do)
by Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins
August 29th, 2006 1:10 PM


When Rudy Giuliani looks back to September 11, he relies not upon the memory of the day itself, but on his memory of the telling of the tale, which he has recounted over and over. That is always the way for people who have lived through a complicated, high-adrenaline event. We sort it out in our minds, assigning order to the confusing rush of images. But there are invariably other realities—sights and sounds and irrefutable facts that we failed to notice at the time, or that we edit out later to give some order to the story in our own minds.

His vision filtered by the years of retelling, Giuliani remembers an order beneath the chaos of falling debris and jumping victims. The city's emergency services were functioning as they were meant to, with him at the helm. "The line of authority is clear," he told the 9-11 Commission. "The mayor is in charge. In the same way the president of the United States is commander in chief, the mayor is in charge. That's why people elect the mayor, so they get the choice of whether they get a strong captain or a weak captain or a lieutenant or whatever." Praised for heading toward danger rather than away from it, Giuliani replied, "That was my job. I was mayor. Part of my job description was to coordinate and supervise emergencies. The agencies that were the primary responders were all agencies that worked for the mayor. We had a format for how we did it, and part of that included my being there, so that I could coordinate and make sure everybody was working together."

Rudy Giuliani's performance on 9-11 is legendary, but for most people, the story boils down to one image: the mayor walking north from the disaster, covered with dust. Afterward, in his greatest achievement, he was able to give voice to all the things the rest of us needed and wanted to hear. He articulated our grief, shored up our confidence, and insisted on a level- headed response that gave no berth to intolerance. We resist knowing anything more—about the eight-year history of error and indifference that preceded that moment, or the toxic disengagement that followed it.

We also actually know very little about what the mayor really did before he stood up, covered in the remnants of the World Trade Center, and began to speak to the world. Giuliani has been allowed to be his own solitary storyteller, and his unexamined 102 minutes transformed him into an international brand of public courage.

>>>>>>lots more.....

I know these are all from the same source, but this is just the tip of the google iceberg, and it's time to get the truth out now, cause the BS is only going to get piled on heavier and deeper in the next 20 months

[Gabi Hayes]

50. ''Two parts hubris, one part paranoia''

Dec. 5, 2006 |

There is something deranged about you ... this excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness ... you should go consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist with this excessive concern, how you are devoting your life to weasels. You need somebody to help you. There are people in this city and in this world that need a lot of help. Something has gone wrong with you.

-- New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani on his radio show, to a ferret advocate, after imposing New York's 2001 ferret ban


There is at least one nice thing one can say about former New York mayor and current Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph Giuliani -- besides, of course, his penchant for dressing in drag, his love for opera, and the fact that he used to share an apartment with a gay man.

On 9/11, all Americans were frightened children, and in a moment of mythic personal heroism, Mayor Giuliani filled the gaping leadership void. The president looked like a petrified chimp; Cheney was spirited to an underground bunker. Only Giuliani could pull himself together sufficiently to get on TV in the midst of the wreckage and show America that a grown-up was still breathing. On that terrible day our reptile brains looked at Rudy Giuliani and said, "We're OK now. Daddy's home."

And we forgot, some for a moment, some permanently, that Daddy was psycho.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/12/05/giuliani/

[Gabi Hayes]

52. a call to action?

''It is even more frightening to think what a commander in chief who already has a violent record of abusing authority could do with the unrestrained might of a geopolitical superpower. Given Giuliani's historic willingness to take Spanish Inquisition-style action against threats both real and imaginary, is anyone in doubt that it is every American's duty to keep Rudolph Giuliani as far from the White House as possible?''

[Gabi Hayes]

51. the liberal authoritarian

GIULIANI -- "MELLOWER THAN MCCAIN?" As a New Yorker for most of the Rudy Giuliani era, it's hard for me to see him as anything other than a vain and dangerous authoritarian. This goes back to his years as a prosecutor, when he invented the "perp walk" by which he shamed the minor Wall Streeters he indicted by bringing in cameras to watch them handcuffed at their desks and dragged to court. (Salon's Cintra Wilson had a good account of the whole arc of Giuliani's career, from the "vainglorious" perp walks through his horrible response to the murder by New York police of a man named Patrick Dorismond in 2000, one of a series of incidents that had New Yorkers of all stripes ready to be done with the man before 9/11 wiped his Etch-a-Sketch clean.)


But what's interesting to me is that much of the right doesn't see or chooses to ignore this side of Giuliani, maybe because they've only heard about it indirectly. So they draw a subtle, and to my mind bizarre, distinction between Giuliani's deranged authoritarianism and McCain's very different personality, one in which Giuliani actually comes out softer and more open than McCain, whom they know better. The best example of this analysis comes at the end of this account from Powerline's Paul Mirengoff of a conference call between McCain campaign staff and right-wing bloggers (I read Powerline -- rarely -- so you don't have to):


>>>>>here's the rest; not going to despoil DU with Powerline
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/2007/02/post_2752.html

[Gabi Hayes]

53. NY reporter Jack Newfield has a book about the creature

"The Full Rudy: The Man, The Myth, The Mania"



interview w/Amy Goodman

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/31/1433256

[Jonathan50]

54. Ruuuuudy

And check out the video of the Donald and Rudy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

[Jonathan50]

55. Rudy's night out

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/dec/20/rudys_official_web_bio_deep_sixes_his_kids_first_two_wives

From Jimmy Breslin's 10/19/00 column, "Mayor's Drivers Have No Easy Pass", in Newsday:

"The dispatchers had a bad time of it Tuesday night in police headquarters. They were handling the special radio band for the Mayor's cars and squad and not doing it all that well.

This had one driver nervous. Some time back, he had been driving the girl friend, Judi, to Gracie Mansion and he pulled into the driveway with Judi the Girlfriend just as the car was pulling out with Donna Hanover, the Mayor's wife.

The two cars nearly hit each other.

Somehow the two women did not see each other, or pretended not to.

But thereafter the driver became known as Wrong Way.

They had five units operating. One took the Mayor to Yankee Stadium. Another took his son to the stadium. The other car was supposed to take his girlfriend Judi to the Stadium where they would place her in a seat belonging to some big corporation. There was a fourth car, driven by Wrong Way and holding another girlfriend of the Mayor's. He had picked her up somewhere in the 30s. She is know as the Other Girl. They had a corporation seat for her, too.

The fifth and last car had the Mayor's wife and was being discussed on the special radio band right now.

If this seems to be a lot of cars and opportunities for confusion, be advised that it is a precise count of the pool of cars and people required to keep these Tobacco Road romances of Giuliani's in motion, all of it on your money, thousands and thousands of dollars for one baseball game...."

[Gabi Hayes]

56. sounds like a .........bimbo eruption to me

love that other pic of Rudy, too. what a man!

[Dems Will Win]

57. Rudolph borrowed $30 billion and crowed about cutting taxes!

And the slimy bastard pulled the Fire Commissioner away from his radio truck on 9-11 to talk the TV cameras with him. So the Fire Commissioner missed the police helicopter call to tell the firemen in the tower to evacuate! (Breslin)

How many firemen died because of that one mistake by Rudolph??

[Gabi Hayes]

60. WOW! how well documented is that?

there must be some VERY sad family members if that's true

nothing surprises me about any pol, though

[JHB]

58. Releasing sealed documents to bash a police-brutality victim

On March 15, 2000, Hatian-American security guard Patrick Dorismond was leaving an after-work bar to go home whan he was accosted by two men trying to buy some pot. Not being a dealer, Dorisomnd told them "no", and got annoyed when they were persistent. Dorismond apparently threw a punch at one of them, a scuffle broke out, and Dorismond was shot and killed. The two men were, in fact, undercover police, and it's uncertain if they ever clearly identified themselves as such. And why did they ratchet things up, rather than defuse the situation?

But, to Guliani, they were police, so they could do no wrong, and Dorismond's death was his own fault. And to support this argument, Guliani released Dorismon's sealed juvenile record. This violated state law, but Rudy argued that the law requiring the sealing of juvenile records should not apply to a dead person. (No such exception is found in the words of the statute.) On a Fox News program, he shot his mouth off even further: "People do act in conformity very often with their prior behavior... (the media) would not want a picture presented of an altar boy, when in fact, maybe it isn't an altar boy, it's some other situation that may justify, more closely, what the police officer did."

Rudy is NOT the guy to clean up after a bunch of "unitary executive" zealots.

[Gabi Hayes]

61. and the sickest thing of all about that: the kid WAS an altar boy!

that, according to another story I've read....but then, who knows these days, right?

[JHB]

62. I know what you mean, but,,,,

...that was merely the "most ironic" thing. The "sickest thing" was the way Rudy handled it from top to bottom. God forbid he acknowledge the even theoretical possibility the police might have erred in handling the situation.

[Gabi Hayes]

63. you're right. time for a step back. I wasn't even considering the human

element, the human cost of this walking piece of garbage's actions have been

how about 'the most sickly ironic'?

my loathing for people like him sometimes overrides everything else

thanks

[zonkers]

59. GIULIANI DRESSED AS A WOMAN -- on edit, I see its been posted... s

There is another one of him on stage performing somewehere... diff. outfit.

[Gabi Hayes]

64. I so hope this is real,, and not from that McCain hug series

http://www.nynewsday.com.nyud.net:8090/media/photo/2004-08/13987813.jpg

[Gabi Hayes]

65. the rudy file.....great stuff here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x192571#192571

[Gabi Hayes]

66. from the 450 PAGE LONG oppo research paper his own team did when he ran for mayor:

"The Giuliani campaign should emphasize its candidate's independence from traditional national Republican policies."

The final six words of that sentence are underlined in the study. Additionally, the Giuliani report noted that the candidate needed to make it clear to voters that he was "pretty good on most issues of concern to gay and lesbian New Yorkers" and was pro-choice and supported public funding for abortion.