I-957 would require married couples to have kids in 3 years, or annulment.

[maveric]

And they complain about the govt interfering with their lives?
Read and weep.
http://www.komotv.com/news/5566451.html

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

1. You DO know the INTENT of this, right?

Exposing the Hypocrisy of the Family Values zealots who have narrowly defined marriage as only an institution of bearing children.

[NMDemDist2]

2. geez, i just celebrated my 13th wedding anniversary last Sunday

no kids here and way past time to plan any

does that mean I can't be married anymore?? :cry:

what a great political statement or a crock of shit (depending on who is proposing this)

[maveric]

12. My fiance and I are both 51. No plans for kids.

So that means we wouldnt be able to "sanctify" our union and marry?

[kestrel91316]

29. Hey, as it stands now if you, as a couple, cannot or intend not to

reproduce, you CANNOT get married in the Catholic Church.

Some paraplegic guy and his fiance were denied that a while back. He can't have conventional sex so according to Rome they CANNOT marry.

[kestrel91316]

28. It's a political statement designed to expose the

abject hypocrisy of the Christofascists, who indeed say that child production is the only reason for marriage.

[Lex]

3. Well, the gov't says gays can't marry because they can't procreate.

And that the ability to procreate is the reason marriage can only be between a man and woman.

So . . . procreate already.

[Lex]

4. 420 + replies and 59 recommendations. There's a lot of info on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=118407&mesg_id=118407

[aceman2373]

5. stupid

who actually has the time to do stupid shit like this?

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

8. It will definitely kill the Marriage is About Kids argument

Stupid?

Yeah... but like dumb jokes.. sure can be a lot of fun!

[Lex]

9. Those who wish to highlight the stupidity of the position that

marriage should be for one man and one woman because of their ability to procreate.

[azurnoir]

6. So if your infertile you can't be married?

This is going nowhere fast.:wtf:

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

10. But you DONT need MARRIAGE.. you HAVE civil unions..

.. or just go to a lawyer and spend about $3,000 to get some documents drawn up.

Marriage is FOR HAVING and PROTECTING CHILDREN!

If you dont want kids or cant have them, then by all means, CIVIL UNIONS is the way to go but dont force YOUR decisions on god-fearing christians who know what marriage is for!!!!

[kestrel91316]

30. This bill is designed to expose hypocrisy and lunacy.

BTW, if you are infertile you CANNOT get married in the Catholic Chruch.

[AndyA]

7. This should send the GOP hypocrits scurrying for a new excuse why the must

preserve the sanctity of marriage.

I say in additon to this, they should outlaw divorce for those who have created offspring. ONE MAN - ONE WOMAN - ONE TIME - FOR LIFE. No escape.

[aceman2373]

11. I doubt it, they will just laugh it off as stupid.

this does nothing to help.
IMO

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

13. So if A = B then B = A and since YOU called it STUPID..

.. does that make you a GOP'r? <wink>

[aceman2373]

15. Why do we ignore all the Democrats that have come out

against gay marriage?

[Lex]

18. Who "ignores" them?

What do you mean exactly?

Is it disappointing that all the Dems aren't in favor gay marriage? Yes.

At least Dennis Kucinich is in favor. And Edwards wants Civil Unions with the exact same legal protections as marriage.

What GOP'er is in favor of that?

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

20. Just kidding with you there, but good question.

I'd guess it's more to do with Political Life and posturing more than a dedicated personal belief, but I'm sure there are always some who feel strongly about it.

Marriage as a religious institution should be separated from Secular 'marriage'... unfortunately, our semantics get in the way and we lump the government recognizing survivor rights, co-ownership, etc with some Religious Need.

[Lex]

14. Well perhaps they just won't have the candle-power to understand it.

That is a distinct possiblity.

[AndyA]

17. I think it's brilliant. It is calling their bluff.

I'm sick of the right wing religious Christians telling me that as a gay man I don't have the same rights as every other person walking the street. I'm a citizen. I pay taxes. I obey the law.

Meanwhile, these right wingers are having sex with other women while their wife of 20-30 years is DYING OF CANCER in the hospital. Or they're on their 2nd or 3rd marriage. Or, they just pretend to be straight with the little wife and kids and house in the burbs while they sneak around getting their rocks off with other men.

Whatever it takes to out the bastards is fine by me.

[aceman2373]

21. Nice Edwards avatar, are you aware he has stated he is

against gay marriage?

[Lex]

25. But is for civil unions with the exact same protections as marriage.

Is there a GOP'er for that?

[helderheid]

16. Ummm, that is the point - to point out that Govt. SHOULDN'T INTERFERE in anyone's love life!

[AndyA]

19. Exactly. Government needs to get OUT OF THE BEDROOM.

They have plenty of messes of their own to clean up. Like the lobbying industry. Corruption. And a pResident who is forcibly raping our Constitution.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

22. The libertarian in me cringes at this

I understand and support the rhetorical reason for the initiative, but the actual proposal as written is garbage. It'll definitely be fun debating the freepers on this one.

BTW, I think gov't should stay the hell out of personal decisions like marriage. It is a personal (and religious for some) issue that the gov't has no business messing around in.

[xultar]

24. That is what it is proving. So, Gays should be allowed to marry. Procreation

is not the only objective to marriage.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

27. I don't think some freepers honestly know

that you can procreate without all the marriage bullshit, and that it's okay to do so. The ones that do know want to ban sex/procreation/etc. outside of marriage because I guess their gawd is more worried about children born out of wedlock than all the children dying over in Iraqnam.

I think I can support this initiative, even though I don't support the underlying literal premise as written. I love the smell of freeper heads explodin' in the mornin'!

[xultar]

23. Control to Maveric...land the jet please. Let's chat.

Doode...do you don't get it do ya? This is a good thing.

[maveric]

26. I get it. Just being rhetorical in some sense.

Kind of like Rangel's Draft initiative.

[xultar]

31. OK...i get that.