Bush: Congressional Democrats responsible for bridge collapse.

[myrna minx]

:grr: I'm going to throw up. :grr: Heard on Stephanie Miller.
Dems didn't give him a "fiscally responsible" spending bill. Is there anything he won't politicize?

:puke:

[yardwork]

1. You have got to be kidding me.

[mainegreen]

2. Whaaaaaaaaaaaa? What? Huh?

Seriously? How do even approach that?

Carefully, I guess. Clearly the man has rabies.

[racaulk]

3. Is he series? OMG!!!!11!!1

:puke:

[BlooInBloo]

4. get OUT!!!

[Liberal Lassie]

5. Where did this come from? Have you got a link or something?

[myrna minx]

8. I just heard it. I'm ready to trash my office.

My town has been kicked in the gut and he HE has the audacity to politicize this. :grr:

[Bluebear]

10. From his statement a few minutes ago. 1 second of sympathy then the blame game.

And we're "it".

[onenote]

59. Here's a link. And you can decide whether its as bad as its been depicted.

Personally, I don't see it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/20070802-2.html

[myrna minx]

64. In text form, it doesn't appear to be as crass as it sounded.

How did we all hear the same thing? He did the same thing with implying that Saddam was involved with 9.11.

[onenote]

78. the video is linked on the same page, and I don't see it any differently

People may hear what they want to hear, but watching the video I see no more evidence of an attempt to "blame the Democrats" for the bridge collapse than I see in the written text.

Is it a mass hallucination? No, just people with an agenda and a predisposition. The repubs do it all the time, and there are folks here who are not immune to doing it as well. Doesn't make it right.
For example, a couple of DUers claimed that chimpy was all of ten seconds into his statement before he started "blaming the Democrats". Watch the video. He goes on about Minnesota for more than a minute and a half (of a five minute and some statement) before shifting gears to "pending legislation". Did time warp itself or again, do some here just exaggerate?

[myrna minx]

84. I responded to your duplicate response down thread. n/t

[tbyg52]

98. Myself, I saw no need for him to refer to spending bills or Democrats at all

when offering condolences. I find it offensive no matter how inoffensively he may have tried to put it.

On edit, having listened to as much of it as I could stand:

He should have offered condolences and SHUT UP. The continuation to talk about spending bills was either a slap at the Dems intended to be taken in connection with the catastrophe, or just plain stupid and insensitive. Take your pick.

[CTyankee]

99. I agree with you. Bush was downright weasely going on and on

about the "spending bill" legislation, throwing around numbers and then talking about a "massive" raising in taxes, as if putting the very rich back on the hook for their share of the taxes would affect most Americans.

Looks like the repubs are in their "state and local" blame game mode. They certainly learned how to do that dance after Katrina!

[Blaze Diem]

6. Heard that too..Can I just kick him in the teeth now..

Such a freakin asshole...

[Bryn]

7. Yes, he was screeching

that it was Democrats' fault as always! x(

[Bake]

9. My wife just emailed me with the same thing!

Said * was on the tube blaming the Dems for the bridge disaster.

Of course, there's not a lot of money for infrastructure when we're spending about a trillion dollars on Bush's War (c).

Bake

[The Stranger]

11. Is Nancy still scrambling to give him more illegal wiretap legislation?

Unbelievable.

[Sapere aude]

12. Can't wait until it becomes Clinton's fault also

[ananda]

13. Now, wouldn't you think..

.. that the Dems would've had enough of this kind of abuse and outrage by now,
would be standing up and saying absolutely no more. We're gonna get you,
mutha fucka, and nail your criminal, treasonous, lying ass to the wall.

But now, they just slink down like whipped dogs and just talk and talk and talk,
with no particular show.. except to cave in to Bushinc.

Sue

[Bluebear]

15. They're "keeping their powder dry". nt

[myrna minx]

27. !

They can take their powder and... :-(

[krispos42]

62. Bush is snorting that nice dry powder.

[onethatcares]

26. possible investigations

might take place after they get a bipartisan consensus.

[jgraz]

29. No. They know he loves them, deep down.

And he doesn't really mean it. I mean, they know it's sort of their fault anyway for not giving him what he wants.

(:sarcasm:, of course)

[Amonester]

14. maybe that will make it perfectly clear for everyone to see how INSANE

herr bu$che truly is...

(everyone except the already brain-dead 20-percenters)

[Poiuyt]

35. He's beginning to sound like Captain Queeg

Did anyone check to see if he was rolling the marbles around in his hand?

[Cha]

16. karl told him to get out there

and say that fast before anyone puts two and two together and gets it's bushits' fault because they won't use the US treasury funds for America's infrastruture..they need it to grab the OIL in Iraq.

Fuck you bush..you blithering asshole. dick is the decider not you..you're just a tool..fucking monkey's asshole.

[Marr]

17. Oh, brother- the only people that will buy that are his harcore 20% supporters.

It'll only anger everyone else. Let him try to politicize another disaster, let him try to exploit more victims for political gain. Everyone already knows what he is.

[TheWebHead]

18. he's a prick and a POS

but he never blamed dems for the bridge collapse. He talked about the collapse and transitioned into the budget. It seemed pretty tacky, his every hour, every minute, every second it will cost taxpayers blathering nonsense was tough to take, especially considering a much more apt way to describe money going to waste was his idiotic war rather than his bellyaching about low income kids getting healthcare.

[myrna minx]

23. If I didn't hear that POS correctly, then I'll retract, but I have

others in this thread that are corroborating what I heard. My city has been through enough in the last 12 hours, we don't need booosh politicizing this tragedy.

[Beausoir]

19. What!? He didn't blame it on Clinton's penis?? I'm amazed.

[Cha]

21. Maybe his daddy told

him he better lay off BC for awhile.

[Neecy]

20. I heard the first part...phony sympathy and 'prayers'....

Yeah, we all need to pray we won't die because of government neglect of our infrastructure...that's the GOP answer to everything, to pray that the bastards don't kill us.

As soon as he began his insane ranting about Congressional Democrats I picked up the remote and *click*, the bad man was gone.

[janetle]

22. How many days of the Iraq war......??

How many days--mere days--of Iraq war spending would have paid for fixing this bridge? Someone needs to pint this out big time to respond to Bush. I refuse to take this anymore--Bush blaming Democrats when the country is falling apart and it is entirely his fault.

[sinkingfeeling]

24. Right. If they'd just would have passed that bill last week, the bridge wouldn't have collapsed!

Will somebody ask him about his GOP's wonderful $286 billion Transportation Bill of 2005? The one that contained 6,371 'earmarks' un-related to the US transportation system.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081000223_pf.html

Yesterday, Bush effectively signed a cease-fire -- critics called it more like a surrender -- in his war on pork. He signed into law a $286 billion transportation measure that contains a record 6,371 pet projects inserted by members of Congress from both parties.

Bush brushed aside pleas from taxpayer groups to veto the bill, which exceeded the $284 billion limit that he had vowed not to cross. The vast majority of the measure is geared toward road construction and public transit projects, with the money doled out over five years according to formulas designed to provide state and local governments considerable flexibility, Transportation Department officials said.

But hundreds of millions of dollars will be channeled to programs that critics say have nothing to do with improving congestion or efficiency: $2.3 million for the beautification of the Ronald Reagan Freeway in California; $6 million for graffiti elimination in New York; nearly $4 million on the National Packard Museum in Warren, Ohio, and the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Mich.; $2.4 million on a Red River National Wildlife Refuge Visitor Center in Louisiana; and $1.2 million to install lighting and steps and to equip an interpretative facility at the Blue Ridge Music Center, to name a few.

[myrna minx]

25. They are just shameless. n/t

[Johonny]

32. $2.3 million for the beautification of the Ronald Reagan Freeway in California

I find my freeways are more beautiful when there aren't dead people floating around in the water under the bridge.

[roamer65]

28. I didn't expect anything less from the moron.

Only thing he learned from Katrina was to point fingers faster.

[myrna minx]

30. The RNC convention is being held here in '08, so you just know that have to

deflect blame asap.

[roamer65]

31. I'd bet they move the convention.

Just a suspicion. I've got a great new place for it. New Orleans.:evilgrin:

[myrna minx]

34. I wonder why New Orleans wan't their *first* choice.

:hi:

[peekaloo]

33. seems like there's a Summer Conference this week, too. (according to the

Pickles scheduled visit story). Poor city will be infested with Pugs and their self righteous whining.

[myrna minx]

36. Infestation is the best word to describe it. n/t

[Kablooie]

37. Is there a quote on this? I can't find anything. I hope it's not just made up.

[myrna minx]

39. I did not "make" this up, thank you very much, but thanks for implying

that I did. I heard Bush's comments on the Stephanie Miller show. No link yet.

[Kablooie]

40. OK.I'm glad to hear it. I'd just like the actual quote when it's available.

(I hope Stephanie Miller wasn't exaggerating.)

[myrna minx]

41. Stephanie Miller played his live comments, spoken by him directly. n/t

[Kablooie]

44. Good. Some of this stuff is so unbelievable it's hard to accept as the truth sometimes.

[onenote]

58. and sometimes the "truth" isn't what it seems. You can read and decide

Instead of accepting other people's descriptions, you can read what chimpy said yourself and decide whether you think he "blamed the Democrats" for the bridge collapse.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/20070802-2.html

[myrna minx]

68. Again, how did all of the people posting that they heard what was described

come to the same conclusion. I suggest you listen to his comments. His craft of transition worked by leading the American public to believe that Saddam was behind 9.11 without "saying" it.

[Connie_Corleone]

70. Maybe it's the way he delivered the comments.

Because there are people who heard him and came away with the same conclusion as others on this and other threads.

[myrna minx]

75. The text isn't nearly as offensive as the callous delivery.

Either that or multiple people had a mass hallucination.

[onenote]

79. Not a mass hallucination, Just a predispotion to exagerrate.

People may hear what they want to hear, but watching the video I see no more evidence of an attempt to "blame the Democrats" for the bridge collapse than I see in the written text.

Is it a mass hallucination? No, just people with an agenda and a predisposition. The repubs do it all the time, and there are folks here who are not immune to doing it as well. Doesn't make it right.
For example, a couple of DUers claimed that chimpy was all of ten seconds into his statement before he started "blaming the Democrats". Watch the video. He goes on about Minnesota for more than a minute and a half (of a five minute and some statement) before shifting gears to "pending legislation". Did time warp itself or again, do some here just exaggerate?

[myrna minx]

83. Are you saying that I have a "predisposition to exaggerate"

and have an "agenda" since I'm the OP? You know, "some" people say. Perhaps you have a clinical ability to dissect live comments immediately, I don't. All I know is what I heard and the implications that were made. Both myself and numerous others. I received emails from people who are unaffiliated with DU, hopping angry about his comments. How's the view from up there?

[onenote]

85. Did Stephanie play the entire statement?

You indicated that you heard Chimpy's statement on Stephanie Miller. Did she actually play the entire statement (five minutes 20 seconds) or a portion of it. Or did she just describe what she heard?

[myrna minx]

86. She played his statements and was commenting along.

I heard him talking about my town and then criticize the Dems for not getting him a "fiscally responsible" spending bill.

*I* will fully admit that he did not come right out and say the Dems destroyed the bridge, but in the last 7 years, I have heard bush manipulate people. While he did do a transition to "other business" after his paragraph of sympathy for my town, the message was loud and clear to me and many, many others. That is why I brought up the manipulation of by trying to make a connection between Saddam and 9/11.

[Old and In the Way]

38. Of course he is....you didn't think he'd take responsibility for the

Republican agenda of tax cuts and war without end, did you? He was probably hoping to skate out without any major infrastructure disasters in 2008, leaving the next President to take the blame.

Shorting our infrastructure to invest $1TT in a war without end - we are reaping the Bush dividend now.

[glitch]

42. He just keeps making himself look better and better doesn't he? This is so stupid and tacky

it might even get through to his moron base.

[myrna minx]

43. There are still at least 20 missing people and several cars in the Mississippi

that presumably contain bodies. He just couldn't contain himself. :puke:

[glitch]

46. Bushian = they define ghastly. {Shudder}

There will come a time when if ever you have to say that name you will have to cross yourself and spit three times.

[myrna minx]

54. Or say "Bloody Bushie" in the mirror three times and the Chimp appears.

:rofl:

[roamer65]

45. Yeah, you got it.

Its looks very much like pure panic from an ineffective, incompetent president. Rove just made another bad decision.

[myrna minx]

47. Good god. He is not sane. n/t

[glitch]

49. Not only is he not sane, he is the Republican Party's best and brightest. nt

[ljm2002]

48. Actually, this has a chance to backfire...

...all that's needed is for the talk shows to pick it up and point out how he didn't even wait a decent interval (like, say, 24 hours?) before he started pointing fingers. And of course the finger he pointed is bogus anyway, since (a) he's the one responsible for gutting the national treasure on the monumental blunder in Iraq; and (b) had Congress passed the bill he's talking about, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that money would have been used to prevent this disaster.

[glitch]

50. Good God, listen to AP radio spin his talk this morning. They are scrambling to cover for him.

Air America Radio really needs to dump them.

[myrna minx]

51. The man didn't even wait for all of the bodies to be recovered before

he decided drain his spleen. I hope you're correct that it will backfire.

[kineneb]

52. now just who wanted mulitple wars half way 'round the world??

costing trillions of dollars, while the infrastructure at home goes to hell without the handbasket?


hmmm, sounds like last days of Rome...

[Greeby]

53. Holy Jeebus!

I'm starting to think it was better back when he didn't show up to the scene of a tragedy

[Penndems]

55. What a callous, crass, cold-blooded son of a bitch

Just when you think he can't sink any lower, he utters something self-serving and preposterous like this.

Putting the adults back into power in '08 can't come fast enough.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

56. A friend, Vincent, who lives in Minn...

just called to say his whole office had been watching the news conference live and heard the comments and are LIVID at what they heard, and pissed of that he would politicize their tragedy like that! And these are not your "SF liberals", just moderate Dems and GOP.

Nice work, Bush. By the end of your term you should have 100% of Americans hating your guts. :D

[roamer65]

61. Yup. Rove screwed up BIG TIME on this one.

Your friend and his report proves it. They have every right to be angry.

[LTR]

57. WCCO Radio is ripping Bush and the politicians on this

Think Bush's blame game is ludicrous. Also ripping Coleman, Klobuchar, etc. for being too concerned about getting face time on the camera. Good listening.

Stream: http://cbsplayer.streamtheworld.com/index.php?CALLSIGN=WCCOAM

Site: http://www.wccoradio.com

[Penndems]

60. Ed Shultz is interviewing a gentleman who was caught on the bridge when it collapsed

Shultz ripped Junior a new one, too, in his opening commentary.

[Deja Q]

66. Thx for the links!

:thumbsup:

[bdamomma]

63. * will never take the blame for anything stupid man.

what an asshole, was it the Dems fault who didn't give him the funds to fix the levees in NO before Katrina, what a stupid a$$ man. Full of contempt for the branches of government.

[Deja Q]

65. You're joking? Even the repubs on KQRS have been blaming federal government for this problem.

Indeed, interstate highways are a federal matter. Had he put up proper funds before, he wouldn't have to spend more money now.

[spiderpig]

67. He's beneath contempt.

As usual.

[Forkboy]

69. After Katrina no one buys it.

And we all know how many bridges we could fix with the money being spent every day in Iraq.

[Help me help Earth]

71. If he politicized it, he's not the only one.

How many "Bush killed the bridge threads" were there yesterday? Blaming ANYONE at this point is dumb, they don't even know why it fell yet. There is plenty of good reasons to rag on Bush, so why waste time making one up.

[Connie_Corleone]

73. We're not politicians.

[myrna minx]

74. And how many people are the President of the United States?

Thanks for your concern.

[Help me help Earth]

87. So you both hold yourselves to lower standards then Bush?

I didn't think that was possible.

[myrna minx]

89. I think there is a difference between

anonymous posters on a message board and the Office of the Presidency.

[Help me help Earth]

90. Your right, no one here started an optional war based around shitty planning.

Unless Bush wastes time trolling during the third of a year he spends on vacation.

[myrna minx]

92. Look, I have no quarrel with you.

I'm just saying that anonymous posters on a message board will say and do some outlandish things. Some post post stuff just to stir up a flame war. The Office of the Presidency has more weight in the world then some crazy random posting on a message board. :hi:

[Help me help Earth]

93. SOME RANDOM CRAZY!!! I take personal insult to that!

Nah, I'm just kidding. It's all in good fun. :-)

[myrna minx]

94. Heh.

:hi: I'm wound up like a spring and on little sleep. So i'm the "SOME RANDOM CRAZY" person today. :rofl:

[Zodiak]

77. Well, it is clearly infrastructural collapse.

And who has been pushing very hard to reduce spending on infrastructure? And who was in charge the last six years and decided to put together a transportation bill with more earmarks than actual infrastructure fixes?

There is NO equivalency between DUers using the facts and recent history to directly tie small government, low-tax Republicans to this particular incident. The bridge was deemed faulty, and the Repuke governor vetoed a spending bill on transportation fixes.

You see, when DU has a bunch of threads that blame Republicans, we can point to personalities and actual legislation that were Republican sponsored and directly undermined the infrastructure. That is using the facts.

Bush's accusation was just flinging turds. He has no ground to stand upon.

So how the FUCK are these two things equivalent?

We really need to get out of that false balance crap that our media feeds us. If two people say opposite things, it does NOT mean they are both exagerrating and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Look at the facts and see which side truly has a point.

DUers have a point to make. Bush has a turd to fling. Do not tell me that our points are turds because all of us know better. We've seen this bulshit false balance pull us into a war and cost us two elections.

[Help me help Earth]

88. And Bush can complain about Congress failing to pass spending bills he will sign.

The fact is, as of now no one can be sure why this bridge collapsed and no one should be pointing fingers (yet). This reminds me of all the vultures on both sides of the gun debate swooping in to make their talking points as the Virginia Tech shooting was happening. Give it a rest until we actually know something.

[Zodiak]

96. Bush can complain all he wants

But the fact remains that the budget was not passed....by his Republicans. They left the budget undone for the Democrats to resolve.

So once again, he would be flinging turds.

The bridge collapsed after it was deemed to be in a delapidated condition (50 out f 120)....there was no wind storm, earthquake, barge, or terrorist to blame, so even though I am not 100% sure of the cause, I am certain that there is a very high probability that it was a result of infrastrucural neglect in the state, and by extension, the federal government.

And Bush the asshole is trying to get ahead on this. So if you wait forever to be certain (which could take months), the memes will already be planted. The most likely possibility is infrastructural collapse, and because it is so, I reserve the right to point all of the fingers I want, thank you very much.

Let me know when you get the definitive story on Pat Tillman, 9/11, the lies behind the Iraq war, the failure to help the people in New Orleans, etc......after all, we still have not had a real investigation of any of these things yet and still do not "know" enough to point fingers with 100% certainty. By your logic, we cannot say anything about these events, either.





MR. SNOW: No, April, this is a classic mistake at a time like this. This is not a time for finger-pointing at all. This is a time for dealing with those in grief and also working to assist the state in getting that artery put together as quickly as possible.

Looks like you and Mr. Snow are on the same talking point. When Pukes ask for no finger pointing, they are to blame. Haven;t you learned anything from their behavior in the last 20 years?

[KingFlorez]

91. You can't really compare the two

People on message boards have their opinions and voice them, but the President of the United States isn't supposed to try and use something like this to get jab in at political enemies. He's in a position of power, it's just not appropriate.

[progressoid]

72. Well, I think we just saw Minnesota go completely blue in '08

[July]

76. Let's not forget that the Do-Nothing Republican Congress that preceded the current one

FAILED TO PASS A BUDGET and handed the task off to the Democrats, whom they are obstructing at every turn.

Thanks for bringing this topic up, President Candyass. Let's get the whole story out there now.

[kid a]

80. damn liburals killed jesus, too - pure evil!

[Maraya1969]

81. He used 9/11 as a political vehicle and now not a day after it happened he is using he

is using this bridge collapse as a political vehicle. He even blames the Dems for wanted MORE money to fix things like oh.....bridges.......and explains how that would increase taxes and how bad that would be.

There is a special place reserved in Hell for that man.

[Liberalynn]

82. Just e-mailed Hillary and Chuck Schumer This

Dear Senator Schumer:


Will you Senator Schumer,
make it clear to Mr. Bush that the minds and hearts of New York State residents are with the people who have lost family and friends in the Minnesota Bridge tragedy? Also they are with those still waiting for news of their loved ones.

Will you also communicate to Mr. Bush that I as a citizen of New York State and the United States find it highly irresponsible and inapproiate that he would waste the opportunity to extend the nation's sympathy, to give a largely innaccurate and completely politically motivated speech instead?

I personally was appalled, if not shocked, and sincerely hope that you Senator Schumer will address this issue with Mr. Bush.

I think he needs to be reminded that he is supposed to represent all the citizens of the United States not just the ones in his party.

Thank you for your time, Senator!

ETA: It was probably pointless to write, but I was so outraged, I didn't no what else to do. I felt so sick.

[mzmolly]

95. Yes and I'm certain that if we'd sent him the "right" bill on the day we entered office that bridge

would have been replaced by now. :puke:

[Solly Mack]

97. a war criminal says what?