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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 08:59 AM Original message |
Can someone explain hate crimes to me? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. Basically, you prove the crime was committed SPECIFICALLY because |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. To me this law is b.s. I think it will eventually lead to the erosion |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I do not want this to degenerate into an argument about hate crimes... |
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dogfacedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Oddly enough, Shrill Willie O'Reilly believes hate crime laws are good. n/t |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Self-delete. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Again, it has been shown many times that there are impacts... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Actually, hate crimes involve civil rights issues |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Yes, so its society that must learn and teach tolerance... A crime is |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Hate crimes are not a crime of passion...hate crime legislation is... |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Yes, so its society that must learn and teach tolerance... A crime is |
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abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. negative impact |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Matt Shepard was not a crime of passion. nt |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Sorry, I don't know the details. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Matt was tortured and murdered specifically because of his being gay. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Well if it wasn't a crime of passion than it can't be a hate crime. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. hate crimes are not crimes of passion. hatred is not a passion.... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. You misunderstand the meaning of 'hate crime'. |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Trouble with your |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
5. here are some background concepts that make this comprehensible |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Well Done, Mr. Rice, And Most Helpful |
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racaulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Excellent post! |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. A simple analogy - graffiti |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I am clear on what constitutes hate crimes... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Could you explain what your desired answer is & we can work backwards? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. in my discussions with those opposing hate crime legislation... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Hamden's post above is an excellent tutorial you can give to those opposed to hate crimes |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I actually disagree somewhat with this characterization... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Check post 5, then ... here are two answers |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. Sorry, I misunderstood your post |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. no problem...maybe could have been a little more clear. nt. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
12. Hate crimes involve more than just a particular crime. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
26. Hate crimes are terrorist acts, not merely criminal acts |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
28. You think it's wrong to prosecute someone based upon their motive? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. huh? nt. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Think about it: |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. what are you trying to convince me of here? nt. |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. That motive is taken into consideration for a variety of crimes |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. my original question had more to do with procedure and frequency of application. nt. |
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