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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:10 PM
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Did Resonance caused by the vibration of a jack hammer being used cause the bridge to collapse?
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 07:18 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/3vw/ch02/ch02.html

Chapter 2. Resonance

Soon after the mile-long Tacoma Narrows Bridge opened in July 1940, motorists began to notice its tendency to vibrate frighteningly in even a moderate wind. Nicknamed “Galloping Gertie,” the bridge collapsed in a steady 42-mile-per-hour wind on November 7 of the same year. The following is an eyewitness report from a newspaper editor who found himself on the bridge as the vibrations approached the breaking point.

“Just as I drove past the towers, the bridge began to sway violently from side to side. Before I realized it, the tilt became so violent that I lost control of the car... I jammed on the brakes and got out, only to be thrown onto my face against the curb.

“Around me I could hear concrete cracking. I started to get my dog Tubby, but was thrown again before I could reach the car. The car itself began to slide from side to side of the roadway.

“On hands and knees most of the time, I crawled 500 yards or more to the towers... My breath was coming in gasps; my knees were raw and bleeding, my hands bruised and swollen from gripping the concrete curb... Toward the last, I risked rising to my feet and running a few yards at a time... Safely back at the toll plaza, I saw the bridge in its final collapse and saw my car plunge into the Narrows.”

The ruins of the bridge formed an artificial reef, one of the world's largest. It was not replaced for ten years. The reason for its collapse was not substandard materials or construction, nor was the bridge under-designed: the piers were hundred-foot blocks of concrete, the girders massive and made of carbon steel. The bridge was destroyed because of the physical phenomenon of resonance, the same effect that allows an opera singer to break a wine glass with her voice and that lets you tune in the radio station you want. The replacement bridge, which has lasted half a century so far, was built smarter, not stronger. The engineers learned their lesson and simply included some slight modifications to avoid the resonance phenomenon that spelled the doom of the first one.

2.1 Energy in Vibrations



http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may98/892678504.Eg.r.html

Resonance is the property, which most objects have, of vibrating more strongly when exposed to an external force which is itself vibrating at the object's natural frequency. This is most easily illustrated by using a 440-hertz (A above middle C) fork to tune your guitar. If you were to strike the fork, then hold it close to the strings, a properly-tuned A string (as well as the D string; its first harmonic is an A) would vibrate, driven by the vibrations of the tuning fork. If you did this, then quickly damped the tuning fork, you would -- if your guitar is in tune -- hear the A and D strings sounding a very faint 440-hertz A.

If you were to put enough oomph into the 440-hertz tuning fork, you could cause your A and D strings to snap! This is what is happening when, in the old Memorex commercial, Ella Fitzgerald breaks a wine glass by singing a particular high note.

The old Tacoma Narrows bridge was named Galloping Gertie after its completion in July 1940 because it vibrated rather strongly whenever there was a little wind. Crossing it was like a roller-coaster ride, and Gertie was quite popular. However, on November 7, 1940, a day of rather high winds, Gertie took on a 30-hertz transverse vibration (like sending waves down a rope by moving the end up and down) with an amplitude of 1½ feet! It later took on a twisting motion of about 14 hertz and quickly tore itself in two.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:11 PM
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1. Someone said now it only "sounded" like jackhammering when it went down
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:14 PM
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3. They will have a hard time squaring that with this....
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:21 PM
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6. No, the witness saw thejackhammers.
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1338294.html

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She said one 911 caller said she could see the construction workers using a jackhammers when the bridge collapsed close to her car. "She saw it and she said she just gunned it and just made it out of there," Brown said.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:36 PM
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14. Even if someone saw a jackhammer, I doubt it could transmit enough energy
to establish sympathetic vibrations of any value. I could understand if degradation of the structure was much greater, and internal in nature, than realized. As mentioned in a following post, the frequency of a jackhammer would be too high to establish sympathetic vibration. A bridge of that size and mass would take a very low frequency input to have any effect. The higher frequency of a jackhammer would most likely be dissipated at or before any expansion joints.

This is just an off the cuff response, most of my science and physics are diluted by a few, or more, decades and I didn't check the video.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:51 AM
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33. An odd comprison maybe
but unless they've taken the sign down now there's a sign on Chelsea Bridge in London which says " Soldiers break step".

That's to prevent a resonant wave causing a structural weakness.
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ChuckJPC Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:21 PM
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34. Resonant frequency I-35W
With the speed of sound in steel at some 16,000 ft/sec and that the center span is 458 in length and 1,907 feet for the entire bridge, the resonant frequencies are 17 cycles per second (16,000/(2x458)) and 4 cycles per second (16,000/(2x1907)) respectively and sufficiently close to a jackhammer's rhythmic shudder as to be still important to any resonance discussion and is well within the range of parametric values so that this consideration cannot be dismissed as such.
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ChuckJPC Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:25 PM
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36. I 35W
With the speed of sound in steel at some 16,000 ft/sec and that the center span is 458 in length and 1,907 feet for the entire bridge, the resonant frequencies are 17 cycles per second (16,000/(2x458)) and 4 cycles per second (16,000/(2x1907)) respectively and sufficiently close to a jackhammer's rhythmic shudder as to be still important to any resonance discussion and is well within the range of parametric values so that this consideration cannot be dismissed as such.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:12 PM
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2. From your keyboard to KO's ears...
Olbermann is just now talking about this...
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:16 PM
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4. Not likely...the frequency of a jackhammer is WAY higher than the resonance of a bridge.
But a (small) possibility is that the slower than normal traffic due to construction might have induced some divergent oscillation.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:23 PM
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7. That was my first thought.
A traffic slowdown without monitoring of numbers of vehicles.

That very thing has caused problems on the Golden Gate Bridge.

In 1987, there was a mass gathering of people on foot on the Bridge for some event.

They flattened the damn thing.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:28 PM
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9. The GG fell down in 1987? I never heard about that.......!
??
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:11 PM
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19. No, it flattened out.
Although the load factor was well within the bridge's tolerance, the bridge was not built for stationary traffic.

The bridgeway is arched, that's one of the loadbearing factors of any suspension bridge.

The people standing on it caused the roadway to flatten and the authorities were freaking out, thinking it might collapse.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:33 PM
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20. Oh, okay I see what you're saying. I doubt it was in any real danger though
unless it had 'buckled' at some point and I don't think that's likely.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:46 PM
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22. Yeah, but you how the municipal types can get.
effing hilarious.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 11:28 PM
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23. I was there that day and later heard the reports of the flattening-they didn't want to panic people
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 11:55 PM by fed-up
so they didn't tell us. It was an awesome day and I even met up with some old classmates from Santa Rosa JC.

The occasion was the 50th anniversary of the opening of the bridge.

My mom also got to walk across the bridge when it was first built in 1937. She was six years old..
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:20 PM
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5. I doubt it.
Takes a long time for resonance to build up.

Tacoma Narrows took days, and the wind provided a hell of a lot more energy than a jackhammer.

I concede that a jack hammer's resonance could lead to the failure of a small component which could lead to the failure of a larger component, etc. until a catastrophic failure.

But this isn't like Tacoma Narrows.
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ChuckJPC Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:27 PM
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37. Resonance of jackhammers and I 35W
With the speed of sound in steel at some 16,000 ft/sec and that the center span is 458 in length and 1,907 feet for the entire bridge, the resonant frequencies are 17 cycles per second (16,000/(2x458)) and 4 cycles per second (16,000/(2x1907)) respectively and sufficiently close to a jackhammer's rhythmic shudder as to be still important to any resonance discussion and is well within the range of parametric values so that this consideration cannot be dismissed as such.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:23 PM
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8. no doubt a coincidence, but one that makes you go hmmm...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:29 PM
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10. Marching soldiers can bring a bridge down
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1499987.cms

Why are soldiers ordered to break their marching steps while crossing a bridge?

When soldiers march in three files over a bridge, they generate a rhythmic oscillation of sine waves on the bridge. At a certain point, the bridge would start oscillating to the same rhythm as that of the marching steps.

This oscillation would reach a maximum peak when the bridge can no longer sustain its own strength and hence collapses. Therefore, soldiers are ordered to break their steps while crossing a bridge.

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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:02 AM
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28. Yes!!! That is true.
Jackhammers at the resonant frequency could definately bring down a bridge. It remains to be determined if that's what happened in this case... but it is a possibility.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:30 PM
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11. Extremely unlikely. Fox 9 has witnesses saying that they saw "explosions"....
...and "car parts" or "bits of metal" flying from what appeared to be a number of locations -just- before the collapse started.

PB
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:32 PM
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12. When a structure fails, you'll see debris flying off it...
Thats just physics.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:37 PM
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15. No argument with you there. n/t
PB
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:40 PM
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17. Ask any criminal investigator
For any ten eyewitness' you'll get at least nine different description of events. A good investigator can dig through the descriptions through proper questioning and mitigate the personal distortions.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 11:49 PM
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27. I've not heard that from any of the other local media?
:shrug:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:35 PM
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13. Doubtfull that it was a jackhammer, but
I've often felt bridges jumping from slowly moving or idling traffic. The Cabin John, er, American Legion bridge on the DC beltway does that during rush hours.

As to the cause(s), I'll et the NTSB guys do the investigation, they're pretty good at figuring this stuff out.

-Hoot
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:38 PM
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16. They were pile driving as part of the construction that was going on.
It's probably going to be related to that.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:45 PM
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18. That would be appropriate
A pile driver is working at around 2 seconds/impact and has enough mass to couple some serious energy. Do you have any info on the repair project and the engineering firm/contractors involved?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:35 PM
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21.  if that's all it took then the bridge was not safe IMHO
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 11:46 PM
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24. That Madsci figure of "14 Hz" can't be right
The torsional vibration frequency of "Galloping Gertie" was around 0.2 Hz.

I seriously doubt anything that big could resonate at 14 Hz with a large amplitude and last more than a second.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 11:47 PM
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25. Could rusted bolts have played a part? An engineer told Dan Abrams the truss structure
of that bridge was rarely used anymore because it involved too much manual labor. Could that labor have included tightening tens of thousands of big metal bolts and nuts?

Could vibration from jackhammers and big concrete-mixer trucks have finished off metal bolts that already were almost rusted through?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 11:48 PM
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26. To my understanding vibration due to construction is a consideration.
Not sure if it was a jack hammer or another type of machine?
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:42 AM
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30. it has been, dad used to design freeways.
in california alone since 1960, roughly 20% allowance for safety measures atop the regular safety measurements to cover margin of error. construction and repairs is most definitely calculated and covered. the tacoma was an issue of unexpected power of wind harmonics, but ever since then that incredibly difficult calculation has been added to the total as well.

what has been a problem is that most of these constructions were designed to only have a 20-30 year shelf life before expectations of replacement. it's a testament to the allowance added into freeways from around 1960s Eisenhower major interstate program that most of this stuff hasn't been dropping like flies all around us now. we're looking at 50 years of usage and maintenance, almost double what was calculated to be a safe amount of sustainable expected lifespan.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:46 AM
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32. I hope our bridge isn't the first of "many?"
Unbelievable.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:34 AM
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29. all powerful jackhammer of doom v. years of neglect....
y'know, i guess the jury will just have to be out on this one. :+

unless you want to point out that "gosh, ain't it a travesty that our infrastructure has been so neglected that even a measely jackhammer might have the possibility of bringing whole bridges down." that i would agree with wholeheartedly.
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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:59 AM
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31. With all due respect --
-- a jack-hammer would have less of an affect than an 18-wheeler full of cement on the vibrations of that bridge. My guess is that is was a ticking time-bomb (unfortunately, similar to many 40 year-old spans around our country).

I think this may have had something to do with stressed supports (it is one of the 4 main highways through this metro area ... 200,000 vehicles per day - I've heard it quoted).

IMHO - this bridge was flimsy and could have gone at any point, whether there was construction/rehab happening or not --- it was just a matter of time.

As an aside, weeks of 90 degree + temperatures don't help, either.

The 2006 report is slightly damning as well ... siting structural cracks and stress to support beams/girders on the approaches.

It may begin to happen more frequently around our country; this is not a freak occurance ... just a heads-up --- no conspiracy theory here.
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ChuckJPC Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:24 PM
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35. I 35W
With the speed of sound in steel at some 16,000 ft/sec and that the center span is 458 in length and 1,907 feet for the entire bridge, the resonant frequencies are 17 cycles per second (16,000/(2x458)) and 4 cycles per second (16,000/(2x1907)) respectively and sufficiently close to a jackhammer's rhythmic shudder as to be still important to any resonance discussion and is well within the range of parametric values so that this consideration cannot be dismissed as such.
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