CNN Reports...Roberts has Second Seizure...Benign Idiopathic Seizure and Fell in Maine!

[KoKo]

He's Recovering Find and is in excellent health...but THIS is the SECOND SEIZURE since 1993..and CNN's Neurosurgeon says "probably no problem," because they couldn't find anything so he might be okay.

[scarface2004]

1. excellent...the hex is working!

next time he ain't comin' back.

[CatWoman]

3. eenie meany, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak

:)

[MrMickeysMom]

11. Are they KARMIC spirits, Bullwinkle?

:9

[ccpup]

12. CatWoman!

you're using the "chili beanie" version? oh, you ARE evil! :scared:

[CatWoman]

14. ROFL!!!

Friendly????

Just listen!!! :rofl:

[lonestarnot]

43. bbbbwwwwwwwwwwwa...

:rofl: OMG :rofl:

[Malikshah]

48. If that doesn't work--here are three more from none other than

JAMBI

* "Mekka-lekka hi mekka hiney ho!"
* "Mekka-lekka hi mekka chahney ho!" (My personal favorite..screw the cheeney pronunication)
* "Mola-mekka chala mekka hola hayla hey!"

[aquart]

2. Any relation between stress and seizures?

Maybe this job is too much for him.

[aquart]

10. Oh, look. There is:

<http://www.epilepsynse.org.uk/PAGES/info/leaflets/factsnea.cfm>


Information on epilepsy: Non-epileptic seizures
The words non-epileptic seizures (NES) are used to describe seizures that often look like epileptic seizures but which have a different cause. Unlike epileptic seizures they are not caused by changes in brain activity. NES can take different forms and can have a range of causes.
What are seizures?

The term 'seizure' describes a sudden, short event where there is a change in a person's awareness of where they are or what they are doing, their behaviour or their feelings. The term is often used to describe epileptic seizures but there are many different types of seizure.
What causes seizures?

Non-Epileptic Seizures.

What causes NES?

Some NES have a physical cause - relating to the body - such as fainting. Fainting is also called syncope. Some NES have a psychological cause - relating to the mind - such as panic attacks.

If NES happen for a physical reason it is often easier to diagnose the underlying cause. For example a faint may be diagnosed as being due to a physical problem in the heart.

The term NES is usually used to describe seizures with a psychological cause.

Finding the cause

Sometimes it can be very hard to find the reason why non-epileptic seizures start. For some people their NES may happen shortly after a specific stressful event. For others their NES may not start after any particular life event. This can make finding the cause difficult.

Some NES only occur when a person feels stressed or anxious. For other people their NES may start to happen in situations which are not seen as stressful.

What do NES look like?

What happens to the person during their NES can vary. What happens during an epileptic seizure can also happen during a non-epileptic seizure. During NES, like epileptic seizures, a person might fall and hurt themselves, convulse (make jerking movements) or be incontinent (wet themselves). Both types of seizures can happen suddenly and without warning. Because of this it can sometimes be hard to tell epileptic and non-epileptic seizures apart.
Psychological causes of NES

Any experiences that we have, whether good or bad, can have a deep and long-lasting effect on us. Everyone has their own way of dealing with their experiences. For some people, the NES they have are their brain's way of dealing with past painful experiences.

The causes of NES may be past experiences such as bereavements, divorce, abuse or other emotional difficulties. On-going stress may also cause them, such as work, family or money worries. Some people may not know the cause of their seizures. Some people may not think stress is a possible cause as it may be a normal part of their life.

Examples of NES with a psychological cause

The following are some examples of NES with a psychological cause.
Panic attacks

Panic attacks can occur in frightening situations or when remembering previous frightening experiences. They can also happen in situations that are expected to be distressing. Panic attacks can be very upsetting for the person having them. They may feel very anxious or frightened as the panic attack starts.

The physical effects of these attacks may include having difficulty breathing, sweating, palpitations (being able to feel your heartbeat) and trembling. The person may also lose consciousness and may have convulsions.

Over time panic attacks may happen even if the person is not in a frightening situation.
Cut off or avoidance attacks

This type of attack happens when a person finds it difficult to cope in a very stressful or emotionally difficult situation. This is more likely to happen when a person does not feel able to say they are finding it hard to cope. As with panic attacks, over time this might even happen in situations that are not stressful.

[JitterbugPerfume]

27. there is no known link

between stress and seizures The causes of seizures (Epilepsy) are birth trauma, brain injury , high fever and idiopathic(unknown)

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

4. Wouldn't wish

this kind of uncertainty on anybody, stranger or enemy. BUT . . . it would add another ball of confusion to BushCo's juggling act if Roberts was to step down.

[Ian David]

5. I see his problem right threre..

[janx]

6. "they couldn't find anything so he might be okay"

What kind of logic is that?

[MissB]

8. Fristian logic.

[slampoet]

31. They call that logic Osteopathy.

It is what our western healthcare system is based on.

Sucks, eh?

[petronius]

42. It does sound kind of silly

Couldn't find anything - except the seizures!

On the other hand, I suppose there's nothing else they can say. There's too much we don't know, especially about the brain...

[Lex]

7. Existing thread on Greatest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1474281&mesg_id=1474281

[KoKo]

9. CNN...No Source for Robert's Problems...MRI is diagnostic discovery

and ..Blitzer asked over and over if this is a problem...and Jeff Toobin says Supremes ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP Medical Conditions PRIVATE! (Cafferty asks if this isn't "a problem" if we didn't know about Renquists Drug Dependency then shouldn't "these people" be responsible for disclosure.)

Neurosurgeon said that more tests should be done but, if they don't show anything then no one knows if he will have another one. :shrug:

[momzno1]

13. I wonder if he

drinks diet soda? Nutrasweet/aspartame can cause seizures in otherwise "normal" people.
I had a friend who had daily seizures for YEARS and had had brain surgery to explore why. I read about nutrasweet and told her. She NEVER has had another seizure since she stopped drinking the poison.

See the documentary "Sweet Misery" for more interesting tidbits on Nutrasweet and its fascinating road to approval.
Starring Donald Rumsfeld who got it passed through a wary FDA...

[liberalnurse]

22. I'm looking more at the "Hard Stuff".

Alcohol withdrwal...............is where my intuition is taking me.

[Forkboy]

15. Two seizures in 14 years? I'd take that.

I have one or two a year that scare the shit out of me.One minute you're fine,then you get the feeling like a headrush,like when you step out of too hot bath,and then BOOM,people are hovering over you asking if you're alright,and why is there foam coming out of your mouth?

Fun stuff!

[IChing]

18. I don't think his are epileptic in origin

My aunt had one and they found nothing and no more seizures then about 10 years later
more seizures in one week and then full blown inoperable brain cancer. I witnessed one of them
and she was my favorite aunt. I also have a cousin that is epileptic and is able to recognize
with the help of his dog an onset. I recognize and sympathize your plight forkboy,


Roberts may have experienced petite mals without recognizing them, what surprises me
is the severity of the attack he had and the time distance between the two publicly acknowledged attacks.

Also no major health check since 2001, that was an odd bit of news for someone with free medical?

I hope he is able to resign soon that would be OK with me before he damages Justice even more.

[tammywammy]

19. "no major health check since 2001"

A lot of people, even with insurance, don't go to the doctor because they're in denial that something is wrong.

[KoKo]

24. Do you have a "source" that Robert's had no Major Health Check since '01?

That seems to be a very long time for a man of his age who hoped to be the Supreme Court Judge Head.

:shrug:

[IChing]

25. I read it in two seperate threads with no link in them.

also I remember there was no mention of his first attack during his hearings.

[KoKo]

29. If you didn't see verified "Links" and took it on faith..it's probably wrong...

just "trolls" doing disinfo. :-( It's the way they work. Throw a BOMB and then don't provide a source.

[IChing]

33. I'm sure it will come up in the news

soon enough if true. I wouldn't have mentioned it unless it came
from someone whose writings I recognized and generally trusted on DU.

[tammywammy]

46. No, no link, I was just replying to the person above me that said it

I'd be interested in a link as well.

[Forkboy]

35. They said the same to me.

No idea what it is (I suspect anger at the world,but so far that isn't considered a "medical" condition.Bastids!)

And don't worry,the "plight" of the odd seizure is nothing compared to the plight of democracy and freedom in this world. ;)

And I hope he waits until 1-21-09 to resign. :D

[KoKo]

39. Thanks Forkboy...

No one can find out what's wrong? Did the seizures increase in a time frame?

Assume you've had all the tests...and they still can't come up with a clue as to what it is? It sounds like Epilepsy...but if you didn't have it as a kid...maybe they don't understand if it can have "onset" late in life.

Anyway...sorry to hear to have to go through this. :hug:

[Forkboy]

41. Thanks,but it's cool by me...

One or two a year isn't a big deal.It's a little scary to have them alone (from what the people who have witnessed them say) but honestly,a half hour later and I'm fine.

When I first looked into it they said my adrenaline was too high (no shit).They thought I had a tumor near,or on,my adrenal glands,but nope.I'm just odd. :freak:

It's a weird thing,but I've had them since I was in my teens (I'm 39 now).The only common factor is heat.I've been in places that seem way too hot every time I've had one.So far no tests have turned up anything,but to this day I want to move to Hudson Bay. ;)

I'll take the hugs anytime though. :)

[Sparkly]

16. Okay... What can Gonzo get him to sign? nt

[malaise]

17. Update here

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a25L.pd5e3yU&refer=home

[KoKo]

20. Penobscot Bay Medical Center Roberts was Sent to is a 109 Bed Hospital

Link Here:

ttp://www.penbayhealthcare.org/penbaymedicalcenter/?render=page&callname=about_our_facility

It has 3 Radiologists on Staff (offers CT Scan and MRI) ...all seem to be in order...and they have internet capability to refer case possibly back to Robert's original Neurologist to make a diagnosis on his ORIGINAL FINDINGS 14 Years ago!

So...all is well with Roberts. Assuming his Original Neurologist is still around and is now Tech Friendly and hooked up to a WIRE that will allow Roberts Cat/MRI Scans to be transmitted to him and that he has the time or life left to do a report comparing the scans from 14 years ago to the ones taken at Penobscot Bay Hospital.

I wonder why he wasn't "Airlifted to Johns Hopkins" ...but then if he's find then that's good news.

[liberalnurse]

21. Does he have an alcohol problem?

Seizures occur if in withdrawal and have no clinical/neurological trail. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

26. What is "idiopathic"?

[IChing]

28. idiopathic

relating to or denoting any disease or condition that arises spontaneously or for which the cause is unknown.

[EFerrari]

30. Oh, I see. Evil spirits. Thanks!

[KoKo]

32. And...if this is his only 2nd Incident in 14 years...well...if I had this stuff going on

I'd check myself into some place that would scope me alot until I GOT AN ANSWER! So...says to me Roberts knows he has "some kind of condition" and has been on meds for it but DID NOT REVEAL that to Senate Judiciary when he was being Approved. He said he had "incident" 12 years before..but we know the RW are LIARS...so he lied about it. :shrug:

Just remember that Cheney is a MEDICAL MIRACLE...he has ACCESS TO THE BEST that the REST OF US DON't!

[liberalnurse]

34. It means they are clueless

as to the etiology....the source of causality .....O8)

It's a nice way to to say they don't know something and still make it sound like the physician is brilliant. :smoke:

[EFerrari]

36. LOL! Got it!

:)

[liberalnurse]

37. Anytime friend!

:pals: O8)

I'm rather good at cutting thru the smoke screen.

[Scout1071]

38. I had a family member that suddenly gave up alcohol and she had seizures.

A few actually.

[Lost4words]

40. yea but she wasn't turning the nation into a cesspool!

so I hope she did OK.

[warren pease]

23. My sympathy runneth over n/t

[lonestarnot]

44. Gee, you would have thought someone that interviewed him for the Chief Justice position would have

thought to ask him about his fucking health now wouldn't. And no, no one did. hmmmf.

[cureautismnow]

45. They did a brain scan and couldn't find anything. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

47. from the news ...

They said he fell and was foaming at the mouth. Indicative of a grand mal seizure and will require medication for life.

uh huh.

[NorthernSpy]

49. unprovoked grand mal seizures in an adult = "benign"?

I dunno... Don't grand mal seizures pose a risk of damaging brain tissue? At least there are meds to control them, tho.