Michael o'Hanlon (spent 8 days in Iraq.. claims we are "winning")

[SoCalDem]

and of course the guy who claims he's promoting propaganda, is accused of ....of....wait for it...wait for it...


being "negative" and spreading propaganda, himself..

O'Hanlon (Brookings Institution) is becoming almost a 'regular' these days..


These are the new talking points..

We CAN win this war.. we ARE winning this war..and anyone who says otherwise..is being negative and spreading propaganda..


the real danger is that he's being touted as a DEMOCRAT....Somebody must be paying him some big bucks to undermine the real reporting coming out of Iraq..

Media wins either way, since they can claim "more than fair & balanced" when they bring this guy on "from the left" and have another "from the left" to oppose him.. No republicans needed this time.. they get to have a democrat tear down another democrat..and they have the soundbyte to "prove" that democrats can't even decide who is the 'truthiest"..
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Michael O'Hanlon
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Michael E. O'Hanlon is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, specializing in defense and foreign policy issues who began his career as a budget analyst in the defense field. He is regarded as one of the most militaristic major national security experts in the United States Democratic Party. O'Hanlon's areas of expertise are Arms treaties; Asian security issues; Homeland security; Iraq policy; Military technology; Missile defense; North Korea policy; Peacekeeping operations; Taiwan policy, military analysis; U.S. defense strategy and budget.<1>

O'Hanlon earned an A.B. in 1982, M.S.E. in 1987, M.A. in 1988 and a PhD in 1991 all from Princeton University and is now a visiting lecturer there. O'Hanlon served as a Peace Corps volunteer in Congo Kinshasa in the 1980's.

On July 9, 2007, O'Hanlon said during a panel discussion in Washington that a "soft partition" of Iraq is already occurring that would break the country up into three autonomous regions - Kurdistan, "Shi'astan" and "Sunnistan." "Iraq is being ethnically segregated. Ethnic cleansing is on its way, it's happening, and at least a couple million people have been displaced. It's becoming Bosnia in some ways,' he added.<2>

Bibliography

All books published by Brookings Institution Press

* Crisis on the Korean Peninsula: How to Deal with a Nuclear North Korea (with Mike Mochizuki); 2003
* Neither Star Wars nor Sanctuary: Constraining the Military Uses of Space; 2004
* Defense Strategy for the Post-Saddam Era; 2005
* The Future of Arms Control (with Michael A. Levi); 2005
* Protecting the Homeland 2006/2007 (with Michael d'Arcy, Peter Orszag, Jeremy Shapiro, and James Steinberg); 2006
* Hard Power: The New Politics of National Security (with Kurt Campbell); 2006

[babylonsister]

1. Yes, I heard Barnicle introduce him as a Dem. Not good. nt

[saabvcadgee]

2. How does it feel...

TO OWN DEFEAT?

[SoCalDem]

3. Oops.. did somebody poop in the playpen at Free Republic again?

[Horse with no Name]

4. Why don't you tell us?

Your "boy" is the one who is a miserable failure?

[saabvcadgee]

13. My boy??

My boy? My feelings are not in support of Bush's policies and how we arrived here. My disgust is over Democrats who are so in bed with defeat that there is no possiblity of our government coming to a consensus over the correct way to proceed. Can you imagine the negative impact that a positive turnaround in Iraq would have on the Democratic party?? It has all become so predictable. Every word out of these puppet's mouths. Do we need any more reason than what we have been subjected to on a daily basis to push for smaller government???? They are all cut from the same cloth.

[cui bono]

16. Then please tell me, how do you define success in Iraq?

And what's your plan for achieving it?

And are you there? In the military? If not, why not?

What exactly are we losing anyway? What would we be winning?

The Dems are the ones who are saying the military won, they did the job they were assigned, they toppled Saddam. So bring them home already.

[blogslut]

19. A positive turnaround?

How can one turn a war based on a lie into a positive? Do tell?

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. If you say so.

:shrug: :eyes: :boring:

[PA Democrat]

21. Since you have all the answers,

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

[Sapphocrat]

24. GMTA LOL n/t

[Sparkly]

23. What consensus is needed on "how to proceed?" Got a plan?

Does this administration have a plan? If so, how's it working?

Democrats are speaking the truth. Republicans -- in shrinking numbers -- are in denial.

[Horse with no Name]

26. Who'd ya vote for?

It took me 3 guesses to figure it out...and the first two didn't count...

[Change has come]

5. Why not get yourself on over to Iraq?

:hi: Toodle-Doo!

[saabvcadgee]

25. Been there done that

2X. I have project managed the rebuilding of 2 power plants in Baghdad. About 10% of what is going on there actually makes it back to the states.

[cui bono]

27. I guess you accepted defeat then since they only have power 1 hour a day.

Or is that how you meant to manage things?

[Horse with no Name]

28. You surely didn't accomplish all that living in Mommy's basement?

Sorry I don't believe a thing you say...
IF good things were happening in Iraq, we'd have pictures--and photographers wouldn't be banned.
BTW, I have several family members who have been over there, and they say that YES, it is THAT bad.
Nice try.

[madokie]

34. I guess all that rain has done flushed 'im out, huh ;-)

[Horse with no Name]

41. Wish we could "flush" em back

:D

[madokie]

47. and take away the fun

;-)

[MissB]

29. Damn, that is talking point #3!

:rofl:

[saabvcadgee]

35. because u say it does not make it so

Country wide demand is ~8500MW. Prior to the war they were at about 3300MW with a severly unmaintained grid. They are currently at about 5800MW following 4 years of work. Simply stating they have 1 hr of power a day shows your ignorance. Please start watching more than MSNBC.

[MissB]

37. Wow! You sure told me!

:rofl:

[saabvcadgee]

38. huh?

[babylonsister]

51. Buh bye! nt

[countingbluecars]

39. What, is MSNBC

not "fair and balanced" enough for you?

[devilgrrl]

40. Start watching what as opposed to... cough, MSNBC.... Fox News????

:eyes:

[Sparkly]

43. Graph

Article:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-electricity18jul18,0,7510593.story?coll=la-home-center

[MissB]

44. Dude has already been tombstoned.

Nice graph, though.

[Sparkly]

46. Too bad -- the article corrected his facts, too.

"But daily production still is below prewar levels of about 4,000 megawatts a day."

Oh, well. :shrug:

[Cerridwen]

49. 5 posts! and gone! Yay! I won! Right on the money.

:rofl:

Ahem, 'scuse me. It has to do with another thread in which I won the pool, er, sorta; since the thread in which I posted my prediction is now gone.

*sigh*

LOL

[Horse with no Name]

50. So that's what happened to it

I kept looking for it...;)

[Cerridwen]

52. Yeah, just as I was replying that our little friend here had presented

us with talking point #3; it went bye bye. :D

[Horse with no Name]

45. You should stop listening to Rush

>>>snip
In referring to some past records the Plan makes statements which are contradicted by common acknowledgment or by records in other reliable references. For example, the "achieved" part of the curve in page 24 indicates that no power cuts whatsoever took place in the country immediately and for two years after the January 1991 war. The curve also shows that in that year, electricity supply had dropped to around 4000MW and that the 1990 electricity supply level of around 5000MW was recovered by 1993. In fact, a UN report of 2001 - based on information supplied by Iraq's officials - showed available generation to have dropped to around 1750MW, and that recovery by 1993 was to only around 3750MW: approximately half of the available power pre-1991. Reports by US authorities and Iraq's Ministry of Electricity officials all indicate that Iraq's electricity generation capacity before April 2003 was in the region of 4000MW, not just under 6000MW as shown in the Plan's curve
>>>snip
To conclude, Iraq's public electricity supply industry had installed generating capacity of just under 10,000MW at April 2003. Since then that has been added to, theoretically, to over 12,000MW yet supply to the public has remained throughout the period at around 4000MW, including imports, against an estimated present demand of around 8500MW. Any honest and proficient approach to Iraq's present electricity problems would make a start by studying and analysing these figures, and proceed with measures to eliminate or at least reduce the gap.

Plans for additional installations must take into consideration all factors and circumstances in the light of historical experiences, prevailing circumstances and future likelihoods. None of these feature in the Iraq's Ten Year Electricity Master Plan, as issued by Iraq's Ministry of Electricity in June 2006.
http://tkmedia.ca/Media/Iraqselectricity.htm

[babylonsister]

48. And share what you watch please, or let me guess; Faux and Rush? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Here's a picture of me on the moon.

After this picture, we had a picnic. Then we fought the evil moonmen. 2X. There was casted asparagus.

[Sparkly]

33. lol!!

:rofl:

[blogslut]

36. Ahh, so you profit from this war

Does the money come pre-laundered or do you have to wash the blood off yourself?

[Horse with no Name]

42. Zing

Good one.:thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

6. Aww, you poor thing. You lost your way, dincha. Own defeat?

I really don't think so! If you watch Hardball, he was shot down soon enough.
Sounds live a severe case of sour grapes ya got goin' there.

[Sparkly]

7. I dunno -- ask BushCo. nt

[Solly Mack]

8. Gee, let me ask Bush and his war crime enablers

[NMDemDist2]

9. you should ask Bushie that one, he broke it, he bought it n/t

[JeffR]

10. Ain't you the cutest lil thing with your lunatic non-sequiturs?

I just think you're adorable.

[texastoast]

11. Makes me want to kick some ass

Stupid repuke ass. For murdering Iraqis and our own children. What about you?

Welcome to DU!

[blogslut]

12. What does that even mean?

Please do explain further.

[Bjornsdotter]

14. I don't know

...I'm not a republican.

Someone must be cleaning under the bridges today....

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

15. Fine, let's declare a Bush victory and leave Iraq

Put the Chimp on Mt. Rushmore if it makes you cum. But let's get the boys and girls in our military home NOW, safe and sound.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. Aww, how cute.

:*

[wicket]

18. 3.....2.....1.......

:boring:

[Sapphocrat]

22. Tell me more!

It sounds like you have a plan for victory!

In fact, since you're so committed to making a difference between winning and losing in Iraq, I have something you can use to that end, right now:

http://tinyurl.com/ytwovh

[BlackVelvet04]

30. I guess you're here to tell us about

the thrill of victory.

[spanone]

31. the media is all over this propaganda bullshit. september is coming fast

we've just seen the beginning

and Fuck Ohanlan....he's wrong and America knows it.

....did somebody fart in here?

[Dinger]

53. Oh God He's On Hardball Now

I had no idea he was a war-monger asshole! However, the other guy (sorry, don't have his name yet-think his 1st name is Brian) is kickin' some ass!

[TwilightGardener]

54. Oh boy, today's the day the neocons have been praying for!

Someone of a Lieberman-type in the media to tell us we're "winning"! What are we winning? Why, a "sustained stability", that's what. Gotta have that to get the oil-producing infrastructure up to snuff, so that those multinational corporations won't lose too many employees when they start overseeing production. Fox news covered this article BIG TIME on Shit Fume's roundtable today. They are rubbing their hands with glee that Repub Senators who have "gone soft" will now go back to supporting the prez on Iraq.