Rove tips his hat ... bushco won't help GOP get elected

[salin]

by moderating his policies nor even his rhetoric - at a meeting with hopeful GOP candidates - according to TPM - according to the Prince of Darkness/Novak - Rove blames the GOP in congress (corruption) and decrees that the losses had nothing to do with Bush or the war.

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/29/election_central_sunday_roundup

How long before the RNC, Replican Senatorial Campaign Committe and its House counterpart realize... the admin is in so deep (per serious problems with only emperor's clothes type protections) that they are throwing the whole party off the bus. While I won't lament the party going further and further down due to bushco's incompetence, arrogance, corruption, obstruction, malfeasance, and outright operating out of an alternative universe.... it is hard to watch and wonder why the GOP in congress and running the party don't start lobbing political bombs at bushco in order to save their own collective political behinds.

I guess the decades of dominating fundraising, media propoganda has bred a hollow arrogance and self-confidence. So grover goes groveling... please bushie bushmen - change your language for the sake of the elections... and for the sake preventing a generation of voters of turning their back on the party... please - pretty please.

Nope says machiavellian Rove - those losses were your fault - we are doing fine... keep backing us and we'll be fine (oh and don't pay attention to the wheels of the bus that are about to run over you.)

[Buzz Clik]

1. This won't be a landslide for the Dems in Congress.

It's quite easy to put just enough distance between oneself and a lame duck president to assure re-election without actually endorsing his actions. Keep in mind that the approval ratings for the Dems in Congress are also terrible.

[Faygo Kid]

4. Also keep in mind Dem ineptness, GOP ruthlessness, media incompetence, electoral dishonestness

I made that last one up; flowed better than "dishonesty."

[salin]

6. public sentiment has grown far too strong and broad

and the public 'conventional wisdom' is growing far too cynical per GOP tricks/empty spin etc. for those to have the same impact as they have had in the past (and as they are likely to play in the future) this is a short window opening time-wise - but the opening is WIDE while it is open.

[salin]

5. Have to look at why the numbers are low for Congress...

it isn't about not liking the policies - or buying into the 2002 "Obstructionist" label thrown at Daschle - this is about overall anger at where the country is going - about one's own economic security - line the issues up why folks are angry and it is hard to find that a whole lot of folks chose the guy or gal whose policies and speeches sound exactly like (as in supporting the programs of) bushjr, the focus of the angst.

Why do you think the money raising game has flipped on its head at the party level, at the congressional races level and the presidential level. Back in my DC days in the 80s - the money advantage was always with the GOP - but not has large of an advantage as grew out of the Gingrich/DeLay (turn a blind eye to bribery/campaign giving days). In nearly twenty five years of watching politics closely - I have never seen an environment like this.

Folks may not be happy with congress - but it isn't because of the policies of the democrats - it is because of the bushco stonewalling ... and the last thing to do to solve that problem is to vote for the republican who supports the bushco policies the public wants to see ended.

[debbierlus]

2. Rove & Bush are both psychopaths -

The fact they are not in jail speaks oddles about the state of this nation!

[salin]

7. I seriously expect many members of this administration

to do jail time - even if the trials don't get underway until after 2008.

[shanti]

20. i hope you're right

but i'm not that optimistic. i think they'll skate.

[bbgrunt]

3. well, this shows that the puke party is just as

ineffective as the dems at influencing der fuhrer. They walk in lock step but can't do s*** to change the direction of the bus. I think they must be suicidal.

B*** sacrifices his storm troops. wow. We must be getting closer to the inner circle.

[salin]

8. I think some have political suicide in their eyes (that is - they see it

coming but can't do anything about it) and I think others have been deluded by voices like Rush for so long as to believing that they really can keep bull sh*tt*ng the public and win - that they are still merrily marching along. Now those on the sidelines who make oodles of money by keeping the machine alive (like grover) they are getting more than a little nervous - they really don't want to be in the political equivalent of siberia.

[BlackHawk706867]

9. The better question is, How long before the Repubs and the Religious right..

are going to wake up to the fact that they were just used by this Administration? This crew in the WH could give a Rats Ass about anybody... other than to use them when they needed them.

ww

[salin]

11. ironic, the far-right and the religious right were skeptical of bushsr

"New World Order" and all of that... yet they embraced the son who was far more problematic - but for him the New World Order is about corporations in a symbiotic relationship with 'rulers' where the purpose of the govt is to give $ and advantages to the Corps who in turn keep the 'rulers' in power. Seems to be falling apart a bit - but the irony remains the same... the far right and religious right were correct to be leery of a pres named bush - they just didn't realize the younger dandy was the one to really fear/be skeptical about.

[Rosemary2205]

10. Well DUH.

I really don't know much of anyone active in the state or local Republican party who is still stupid enough to think Bushco cares about anyone in this country other than Bushco. They know they were used like a cheap $2 prostitute.

[salin]

12. and yet they let themselves and the party get thrown off the bus... rather

than throwing bushco off the bus first.

[Rosemary2205]

15. IMHO

Bushco is much more powerful and evil than most on DU, and America in general seems to realize. I doubt the local and state Repub leadership can do much about Bushco at this point. All you have is impeachment and that will not stop them. You have to remember, even if you remove both Cheney and Bush and manage to replace an entire cabinet in the short time left, you cannot yank out every tendril of Bushco from all facets of government in short order. It will take decades upon decades to do that. There are just too many of them hiding in too many different offices.

This didn't start in 2000. It started back in the Goldwater days.

[salin]

18. Sadly,

I think that you are correct - and the number of 'manchurian candidate' types entrenched throughout the federal agencies is undoubtedly huge.

[Elidor]

13. It amuses me

Bush and Rove will sell out everyone, even their own power structure, on their way down. And the GOP members of the House and Senate finally see what they have bought with their unquestioning loyalty: a boot to the face. Few of them will speak up against Rove's BS. It's far too late to reclaim their souls. They have all but handed the presidency to the next Democratic candidate, and a fair number from their own ranks will be washed out as well when the Bush tide recedes. They see it coming, and there is nothing they can do about it.

I love it.

[salin]

14. maybe their was more to the Abramoff scandals...

ala means to hold more over GOPers heads to keep them in line lest they be tempted to get out of line. Getting dumped from office is not nearly as bad as doing the Duke/Ney perp walk.

[MADem]

16. How could they possibly HELP? Charles Manson would be better help, and that's not saying much NT

[KharmaTrain]

17. Rove Works For The BFEE...Not The RNC

Hopefully these fools won't see that and follow this felon's advice...playing the useful fools all the way.

Rove is owned by the bush family...he has no horse in the '08 race and his new job will be to obscure and distort the "boooosh legacy", play telepundit, write books, get big coin sitting on corporate boards and speaking at the AEI and enjoying the life of a "country squire". He's made his haul...now he's just gotta make sure he's got a "clean" getaway.

The longer he keeps the GOOP sheeple on board the longer they obstruct and prevent any meaningful investigations until the end of booosh's regime. It keeps his booy intact and his "reputation" as being a master political svenghali. He knows things have changed, but the sheeple WANT to hear this...they need an affirmation that the parallel universe they exist in is still relevent.

Rove couldn't do us a bigger favor than to delude his enablers one more time...in the start it was to get the power...now it's to make the getaway.

[salin]

19. You know I agree with you...

I threw a thread up earlier today on current ironies (from this weeks news items) - I think you might appreciate it ... it is probably back a few pages.

Hope all is well with you - and watching the destruction, no, disintigration of the GOP has gotten very interesting. I know folks want impeachment (start with Gonzoles in my mind) - and are impatient with the investigations and hearings... but it is those investigations and hearings that are bringout daily outrages that are finally making their way into the mainstream corp media and into the public's collective conventional wisdom. It was NOT conventional wisdom that the entire GOP was corrupt and inherently dangerous to the country when Nixon fell - hence the quick ascendency of a new GOP administration. The watergate comparisons often miss that fact - a greater part of the public recognizes the much more serious nature (far-reaching... in impact and in terms of those acting to make it happen). Big Difference.

[KharmaTrain]

25. I'm Worn Out...

At least on the impeachment threads for now. I think the ground has shifted and this regime is tottering, but not enough, yet, for a presidential impeachment to get rolling. But that doesn't mean others can't move forward.

I'm 100% with you on Gonzo. If this goon doesn't resign and the SG doesn't prosecute, it's the only recourse. He has to be removed just to remove a little more sand from the historian and investigators eyes. My fear is that indicting him now allows booshie to pardon him before 1/20/09 and it's a push...we get this crook out of the DOJ, but we can't follow through later. But first things first...and I'll defer to far greater legal minds as to how to best procede here.

The problem with both Nixon and Clintons impeachments were they weren't really successful. In Nixon's case, his resignation prevented the whole process from forward...creating a template that I believe would have prevented the Clinton inquisition. The rush to "put this nightmare behind us" with Ford's pardon prevented this episode from being fully investigated and the sad lesson learned by many...and years later...was not to get caught. It wasn't the crime...it was the cover-up. No person studied that more than chenney and rummy.

The "Conventional Widsom" has been the truth's worst enemy...it's ignored so much criminality and unethical behavior in its verve for power and access. The corporate media still needs to "balance" fact with spin...to blur what is news from opinion and to put personality above substance. The beltway became a nice cozy club...and us dirty fuckin' hippies are rockin' their boat. Fortunately more and more people are not only wise to the lies and deceptions of booosh and the Repugnicans, but see the corporate media as suspect as well. The old cop out was that "we piss off both sides" thus we must be balanced...now it's due to their lack of credibility.

The GOOP's faustian deal still has to run through the primaries. Too many of these candidates are beholden to the extremists and reviionists...the fringe of the fringe that both send in the money and then show up in the primaries to vote. Moderate Repugnicans have been scared shitless with threats of a right wing challenge in the primaries if they leave the reservation. Many think the public and voters are soooooo stupid they'll forget next August or November that they voted against ending this war for profit sooner rather than later. We'll see if they're right. I hope they're not.

Here's hoping all is well with you. I'm gettin ready for YKos next weekend...I don't know how I'll react with so many Progressives and friendly faces all around. :rofl:

We hang together, my friend...and with the knowledge that the truth sets us free. We can at least know we've stood for the right things and continue to stand for them. There are many of us here...just sometimes not as many as we'd like.

:toast:

[salin]

27. KharmaTrain... if I ever get any real time off from work,

and am able to head up your way (I used to get up to that area fairly regularly) - we have to get together over some coffee, tea or beer. I think it would be a great conversation - we hit from similar perspectives (though not in sync with a whole lot of other folks) on this.

Enjoy YKos - it sounds like it is going to be momentous in terms of candidates singling out a progressive (large) on-line "new media" group (to the exclusion of the DLC meeting, no less!) I look forward to reading about the event.

I like that thought of at least knowing that we have stood up together (with many others) for the right things - even if/when it feels like that "many others" isn't always so large of a group. I do think that the "group" is growing - and that more of the public is starting to "get it" than in the past - and that the idea of a short memory (per voting in November regardless of outrage in a past July) - isn't comparable, as what is often compared to had more a conventional wisdom "reaction" (as in a gut reaction) rather than a rethinking of conventional wisdom. I think a lot of political 'recalibration' is occuring among the populous and that is a far different thing than a dumb group with a short memory. It is when gut-checking changes whole perspectives - and memory isn't so short when it comes to perspectives rather than short-term reactions. Or then again - my sense of hopefulness could well be blinding me.

Regardless...

Peace and have a great time at YKos!

[Cha]

21. That's right...bushit helps

us! Especially if he goes around with the goper candidates and spouts his fascist shit.

I'm grateful bushit is not promising his "compassionate conservatism Bullshit" like he did in 2000 and FOOLED all those dazed and confused voters and then came in and started his fascistshit.

[salin]

22. hard for him to pretend that compassionate stuff anymore...

-expand children's health coverage for low income families... No.
-allow medical research that could save lives via stem cell research... No.
-test beef per mad cow... No. Oh - and no small companies can NOT test all of their head of cattle as that would hurt big meat operations
-provide adequate care for veterans... lets have a panel then do... Nothing.

shall we go on? Naw, that meme is gone and no GOPer supporting bush can claim that term as their is NOTHING compassionate about their policies.

[Cha]

26. Now bushit is just "firm"..

"resolute"..if the corporatemediawhores were a Free Press he would be labeled as "dragging our country down with him".

[mitchum]

23. Republicans should hate bushco even more than we do...

it wasn't OUR party that gang of criminals hijacked

[salin]

24. if they don't know... they will in the future.