Why hasn't anyone asked Andy Card what they went to Ashcroft for?

[Hubert Flottz]

Put Andrew H. Card, Jr on the hot seat and if he don't show up file a contempt charge...

Andy knows why they went...and he wasn't bush's lawyer, so he could answer the question that gonzo couldn't answer the other day.

[fjc]

1. Why haven't they asked Ashcroft?

[Hubert Flottz]

3. Good idea!

[babylonsister]

7. They did, in June; Ashcroft says Gonzo was lying:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/21/ashcroft-contradicts-gonzales-wiretapping-testimony/

Ashcroft contradicts Gonzales wiretapping testimony.

In sworn testimony to Congress in 2006, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said that there had “not been any serious disagreement” over President Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. But today, former Attorney General John Ashcroft — who almost resigned in protest over the program — told a House panel that in reality, the administration was “sharply divided over the legality of President Bush’s most controversial eavesdropping policies.” June 21, 2007 5:54 pm |

[Canuckistanian]

43. Why haven't they asked the Secret Service guys?

This seems to be a pretty sloppy "investigation" when 80% of the people present haven't been questioned.

[dkofos]

2. Probably the same reason for not asking Ashcroft himself.

Maybe they will get to it in round 2, AFTER THE RECESS!!

[frogcycle]

4. or Mrs. Ashcroft

SHE is not covered by ANY privilege. If they let her overhear, they blew themselves out of the water

[Hubert Flottz]

13. A very good idea!

I think they scared John so badly with their lawless bullshit, that he quit. I think the Ashcrofts are scared shitless of the Bush Gang.

[hisownpetard]

14. YES! This is what I've been waiting and waiting for, and haven't seen

anyone but you mention it.

When they asked Gonzales if Mrs. Ashcroft was in the hospital room when
he had his discussion with Ashcroft, he said he didn't recall. If she was,
then that alone would make him guilty of breaking the law, right? And
everything else would be icing on the cake.

[frogcycle]

15. as I recall Comey said she was n/t

[hisownpetard]

18. Yes, Comey said Mrs. Ashcroft was in the room - but why hasn't the committee

asked her to testify?

[frogcycle]

19. no telling

they aren't stupid though - they are mostly former prosecutors - either they know she'd be hostile or they are holding her for later - we'll see...

[hisownpetard]

20. That sounds right. Thanks. And BTW -

I really enjoy your posts. Been meaning to tell you,
so this little volley came in handy.

[frogcycle]

22. thanks!

someone who doesn't have me on ignore! :)

[babylonsister]

5. I thought they did question him behind closed doors, or was that

just a dream I had?

[Hubert Flottz]

8. I never heard anything about it if they did...

The democrats in congress should leave no stone unturned, IF they want to ever really get to the truth.

I'll bet ace crime fighter Arlen Specter changes his tune after he talks to the Fuhrer.

[babylonsister]

9. You can count on that imo. Arlen, the original flip=flopper. nt

[Blackhatjack]

23. I recall reading that Ashcroft met with the Committee in closed session and answered questions

I remember thinking at the time that this would have been one time that a former Bush official, who had disagreed with Bush and resigned, would tell the truth in public under oath.

But it was not to be.

However, I suspect that Leahy, Schumer and the rest got a lot of useful information that they used to guide them in questioning Gonzo yesterday.

[G_Leo_Criley]

31. Mrs. Ashcroft

BHJ-- I remember talk of having both John Ashcroft and his wife testify behind closed doors, after Comey's testimony.

Not sure that Mrs. Ashcroft did, but I'm sure that she would have been protected by the committee. She was trying to keep those jerks away from her husband after all.

I would wager that yes, definitely, they got a lot of useful info from one or both.

Was it Schumer who asked Gonzo yesterday if he discussed classified information in the presence of Mrs. Ashcroft, who does not, of course, have a clearance? I believe the question was asked at least a couple of times while gonzo hemmed and hawed. (hmm ... I have to find a transcript of yesterday's SJC hearing!)

glc

[hisownpetard]

34. Not sure, but don't think it was Schumer who asked about Mrs. Ashcroft

but I only heard the question asked once during the hearing.
Gonzo answered that he ...um. er, unh (wait for it)...
didn't recall.

[G_Leo_Criley]

37. er...

didn't recall? Gonzo? the A.G. of the U.S.?

I'm shocked! Shocked!

Seriously though, whoever asked it -- Leahy, Whitehouse, someone else, it signalled for sure that someone has described the scene in the hospital ICU in exquisite detail to the SJC members.

glc

[Blackhatjack]

38. Not sure who asked, but Gonzo replied that Ashcroft disclosed no classified info in her presence...

... which if you believe Comey's testimony, that is another questionable statement by Gonzo.

Comey recalled that he was surprised that Ashcroft was able to recall their conversation in such detail while in that state of sedation, and the he went through the arguments that they had agreed upon which caused them both to decide they could not approve the program as it existed.

I still wonder if the 'program' as it has been referred to was in fact different from the prior 2 years because of more extensive and invasive tactics they were attempting to add to it. Obviously at some point Ashcroft had approved some kind of program, and if there had been no changes it would be unusual for Ashcroft to be so upset he contemplated resigning as soon as he was well enough to leave the hospital.

The whole matter stinks. I think agents went far afield in their surveillance and were trying to get Ashcroft to retroactively approve what was already done.

[G_Leo_Criley]

39. Thanks

Thanks BHJ.
I remembered the question being asked but couldn't remember who asked or what was said!

(But did he say that he, Gonzo, had revealed no classified info in front of Mrs. A? 'Cause I'm thinking that in itself would be a crime.)

The whole deal does stink. My guess is that there was far more to what was being proposed than Ashcroft had previously signed off on. Will we ever find out what it all was? Let's hope so!

Knowing and understanding everything that they've done is as essential as ridding ourselves of the whole lot of them. One at a freakin' time...

glc

[Blackhatjack]

41. You are correct that if Gonzo revealed classified info in front of Mrs. Ashcroft it would be a crime

that is why there was questioning about a 'document' Gonzo had in his possession when he went to visit Ashcroft, where that document is today, and what was written on that document.

Obviously the questioner was making plans to subpoena that document. IMHO that could be a real 'smoking gun' that reveals extensive warrantless spying on Americans that has not yet been disclosed. If Ashcroft had signed off on it, the document would have been returned to the White House and kept in a secure location away from Congress, journalists, and any one else who wanted to see it --if they ever learned of its existence.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Its was SO SICK....they go to a sedated guy recovering from a med procedure

so he can sign off on torture? even as they knew Comey had taken the transfer of power?

To watch Gonsy explain that to Shummer at the hearings was laughable...Gonsy was a high school kid lying his ass off.

They need to ask all them suckers involved.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. Right drag the whole damned goon crew in and pump them.

A little waterboarding might help get some answers here too.

Hook a couple of 90 pound cinder blocks to the ole short and curlys with the ole 500 dollar a pair DOD/Halliburton vise grips and cross examine away! Bring on the Hell Hounds! We need answers PDQ and congress is quaint!

[C_U_L8R]

10. Andy Card will tell the truth ?????

Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha

[Hubert Flottz]

12. He just might, to save his own ass!

[opihimoimoi]

27. Prolly stonewall and get pardoned just like them others sitting on the canary fence

wondering whether to sing or not to sing....tweet tweet tweet?

[Hubert Flottz]

30. I think Ashcroft and Andy Card both are just as guilty as Bush and

Cheney and Gonzo and Rove...they wanted to fix things so that a democrat never gets back in the White House again, so that all their criminal shit will remain hidden from the people forever. I think they may have misunderestimated Gawd, or fate, or whatever you call it though. I think that one fine day the truth will all come out and the taxpayers deserve nothing less that the whole truth, about Their Government!

[opihimoimoi]

33. American Dreams of a BENEVOLENT Form of GOV'T have been squished by the BUSHCO

The Masses are pissed....soon the pitchforks and pikes to the Bastille.

[Beelzebud]

16. He lied on The Daily Show. He said he didn't have an RNC email account.

Then his RNC email account info was revealed, right along with every other political operative Bush has working in our government.

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. There are probably several people that have testified we're not

aware of. Just my guess, though. :shrug:

[Oilwellian]

21. Fredo already admitted why they went to Ashcroft

In his testimony the other day, he admitted they wanted Ashcroft to sign off on Bush's wiretapping program.

Also, the Senate Intel Cmte did have a closed hearing with Ashcroft last month:

Former attorney general John D. Ashcroft told the House intelligence committee yesterday about disputes in the Bush administration over aspects of its domestic surveillance program, which peaked in the March 2004 visit to his hospital bedside by White House officials seeking his change of heart.

House Intelligence Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-Tex.) said the two-hour closed-door hearing covered Ashcroft's "whole tenure as attorney general." The hearing, Reyes said, examined how the administration viewed the use of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provisions requiring a special court to issue warrants for domestic eavesdropping.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/21/AR2007062101022.html

[malaise]

24. Mueller has just contradicted Gonzo's

lying testimony from yesterday. It's over - every man for himself as of now. Gonzo has fugged himself.

[Disturbed]

25. Comey also testified Under Oath that the Warentless Spying

continued for a "few weeks" until NSA started complying to the FISA Law. The Law was being violated. The DOJ knew that. So did Gonzo. The problem has been that Documents have been hard to obtain that prove the criminal acts of the members of the Busholini Regime. Congress has been blocked & stonewalled. Also, Sentate Repugs have been obstructing progress and Bills.

[Hamlette]

26. There is no attorney/client privledge between Gonzo and Bush

Gonzo's client is us, the citizens of the US, not Bush. This is well settled law. Which is why Gonzo has not claimed atty/client privledge. The only alleged privledge is executive privledge unless Bush goes out and hires his own lawyer on his own dime (like Clinton did eventually.)

(As a side bar, this executive privledge thing bugs me. I work for government and there is nothing I say to my boss I wouldn't want on the front page of the newspaper. Granted my boss is only an agency head but we are all scratching our heads here wondering what people would say to the executive the wouldn't want heard by others.)

It's the flipping coverup, stupid.

[opihimoimoi]

28. All throughout history...coverups rarely work in the long term...this one is doomed to failure

BushCo is hiding some major crap.....If its one thing we have learned...sooner or Later..the Truth emerges like lava from a volcano.

Card has to have some answers...will he sing?

[Hamlette]

29. talking about Watergate on CatWoman's thread...we need a John Dean

I trust we'll get one sooner or later.

[opihimoimoi]

32. Heat to the Feet and they will prolly sing louder than the Tongan Choir

Sooner than later, someone will save their own ass and rat on the PUBs/Bush/etc....especially now that the temp is escalating. The Rats are scambling for the rabbit hole....

[frogcycle]

35. which is why the heat is so essential

relentless hearings, subpoenas, confrontations - somebody will crack

we have a cadre of experienced prosecutors driving this, and they'll get there

[Hubert Flottz]

36. I didn't know they had a secret session with Ashcroft...

I'll bet the Bushies were sweating bullets that day. Bush might need to pardon every GOPer in Washington before this is all over. Even the GOPer rats in congress are Bush's accomplices in his war crimes and rip-offs.

It's not enough to see the bassturds thrown out of the government, but they should pay for their crimes like common criminals.

[opihimoimoi]

42. I wanna see the perp walk.....chains, shackles, cuffs, leg irons, choke collars, Lector Masks, etc

[Hubert Flottz]

44. Me too...

I want to see the most painful thing the GOPers could imagine...JUSTICE!

[opihimoimoi]

45. Reactivate the IRON MASK...(gasp)

[G_Leo_Criley]

40. K&R n/t

:kick: