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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:22 AM
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DCF in Florida makes an odd move...removes age 16 mother from her mother's home.
It seems like there was no real reason to do it. Admittedly their family life is not the best, according to the article....but yanking the young mother out to place her and her baby in unknown circumstances seems overkill for smelling marijuana in the home.

They admit the house was clean, the baby was loved and cared for...but they did it anyway. I wonder about their priorities.

Family Has Plan - Until DCF Arrives

State agency says 16-year-old mother can't live with her own mother.



RICK RUNION/The Ledger
Tiffany Theis, 16, holds her newborn baby Savanah in Lakeland recently. Tiffany was counting on support from her mother to help raise the child, but the Department of Children and Families removed Tiffany and Savanah from their home.


It's a complicated case, but they should have left her in her mother's home.

She became pregnant and gave birth in late June to her daughter, Savanah.

"I always loved babies and I knew I could raise one," she said in an interview a day before her plans fell into chaos. In raising Savanah, she counted on help from her mother, with whom she, her biological father, three brothers and one of the brother's girlfriends live. But the Department of Children and Families removed Tiffany and Savanah from the home at 10 p.m. Thursday.

..."Which is the best course for Tiffany and her baby? Leave them in the home under DCF supervision? Or bring Tiffany back into the uncertainty of the foster care system, which she has experienced before, and start Savanah on the same path?

It's a balancing act the department faces daily. Many decisions its workers make have the potential for disaster.


Complicated, but nothing that warrants removal to strange circumstances. The mother reported the older man as father as soon as she knew, the daughter had not told her the father. But DCF said that was not enough...even though she did not know.

DCF had been at the family's trailer earlier that week to inspect the living situation. The house wasn't dirty, DCF worker Sloan Paton-Jean-Baptiste said Friday, adding that the baby was loved and taken care of.

But did Jones do enough to protect Tiffany from sexual abuse, which is how the law sees her involvement with an adult man? Tiffany said she initially told her mother someone close to her age was the father. Jones told DCF she reported the 24-year-old man as the father after the baby was born.


Florida's DCF has a very poor history. I still remember Rilya Wilson, never found, and a 15 year old girl killed living with an older man after DCF signed off on her after 4 years...then ignored warnings from her family she was missing.



A caretaker for Rilya Wilson, the foster child whose disappearance four years ago exposed serious flaws in Florida's child-welfare system, was indicted Wednesday on charges of murdering the girl, who was 4 years old when she vanished. The caretaker, Geralyn Graham, was also charged with kidnapping and aggravated child abuse. Rilya's body has never been found.

Florida DCF mistake proved fatal for 15 year old girl.

But even as Department of Children & Families investigator Williams R. Ajayi moved on to his next case, Stephanie, a slim girl with a glowing smile, was already in peril. On April 10, a day before DCF closed its case, a counseling group assigned to work with the family told Ajayi that the teen had run away from home...."Records show Ajayi did nothing. With no open investigation, no one searched for the troubled teenager.


Much of the system here is privatized with little real oversight. Bob Butterworth, a very moderate Democrat is heading the agency now. He has his hands full, but he believes in the complete privatizing of the agency.

And the children and families pay the price.



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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:29 AM
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1. Hold them all hostage
Put the father in prison, separate the mother and baby in foster care, and then let's spend the next however many years feeding and providing their incarcerated care, this family.

A clean home and a loving family mean nothing to a CPS worker with a score to settle.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:17 AM
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2. They have a punitive mindset in many cases.
I know some of the case workers, good people. But the system is broken...private companies in charge with little oversight.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:49 AM
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3. This is dumb. So she's 16 and the baby's father is 24. Charge him with

statutory rape if you must (and if it's Florida law) but don't punish the young mother and her baby. I would guess that she was over the age of consent and the sex was obviously consensual.

LAKELAND - "Tiffany Theis decided, not long after turning 16, that she wanted to become a mother.
She became pregnant and gave birth in late June to her daughter, Savanah."

Parents cannot watch their teenagers every moment and it would be unhealthy if they could. It's ridiculous to say the mother didn't protect her 16 year-old from sexual abuse, unless they're going to charge the man who got her pregnant with sexual abuse. Tiffany lied to her mother about who the father was. Wow, people lie about sex, there's a surprise!

And they removed Tiffany and her baby Savannah because there was a "strong smell of marijuana" in the home? Uh, did they bring in drug dogs? Did they execute a search warrant to see if there were drugs in the home? People's futures are being decided because a DFC agent thought s/he detected the smell of marijuana?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:59 AM
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4. It is silly....but that's how things are here.
There is a very punitive mindset here, especially when it comes to enforcing any laws. They are having to close boot camps because of the beatings. The whole area has that feel. It is heavy in the number of Southern Baptist churches and megachurches. Most of the sheriff's department officers and police are members. They tried to get rid of a judge because she was not strong enough on the death penalty.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:13 PM
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7. I've got family in Lakeland who went from being mainstream Methodist

to evangelical Presbyterian. I didn't even know there was such a thing as evangelical Presbyterians until they joined up, which was probably 25 years ago now. Then I found out that the biggest Presbyterian church in my town had a preacher who told his congregation that Proctor and Gamble is a satanic company because they have a moon and star logo. Insanity!!!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:01 PM
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13. I believe I counted 14 sizable Southern Baptist churches...
plus 4 religious colleges or bible colleges...though some are not called that now.

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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:13 AM
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5. Depends on the age of consent
Here in Mass it is 16. So if my daughter consents to screwing a 20, 30 or 50 year old... there isn't a god damn thing I can do about it. You cannot get a restraining order or file anything other then a no tresspass on your property.

They make YOU responsible for the teen and then tell YOU that said teenager can do whatever they damn well please and you can do nothing about it. YOU will be liable for anything bad she does though.

We live in a very fucked up world.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:08 PM
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6. In my state, teenagers can legally leave home at 17 but parents

are held responsible for anything they do until they're 18. Can they leave home at 16 in Mass.?

How the hell did we get such stupid laws? Don't any of the state legislators have teenagers, or remember being teenagers?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:16 PM
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12. I got home from work one day and my dog had left a rather smelly present for me
So I cleaned it up and got out some incense and lit it. Then there was a knock on my door and a cop was standing there. I had been issued a ticket for not licensing my dog and he was delivering it. As he walked away, he turned back and said "There is a strong smell of marijuana coming from your house." So I asked "Do they not teach you the difference between marijuana and incense in cop school?" Then I invited him in and showed him the multiple sticks of incense I had burning all over my living room.

I think of this every time I hear a cop saying he smells marijuana.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:21 PM
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8. Links to related threads, thanks for keeping at this madfloridian.
"What has happened to the safeguards of our children?" (active GD thread started 7-19-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1382496

archived sybylla/bobthedrummer subthreads from 6-22-2007
"The screaming of children in quiet Portage, Wisconsin"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1161061

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:07 PM
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9. Thanks so much for those additional links.
Great post, thanks for sharing. Don't know how I missed it.

I will bookmark those links.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:19 PM
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15. "Parents of sexually assaulted infant call for public's help" by Eric Litke
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:11 PM
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10. That is completely screwed up
Hopefully, the publicity will force them to right it and the family is reunited. Life ain't perfect and it's downright messy, but a loving home is a loving home.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:07 PM
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11. I agree.
It was a very wrongheaded way to handle it.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:20 PM
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14. I got married when I was sixteen. My husband was 26.
When we first started dating I told my mom he was 21 and she flipped out about that. That we continued to see each other was not my parent's fault. In fact, at one point they outright forbid it, but I kept sneaking over to his house. When they caught us, they thought they'd prove he was just "using" me by threatening him with jail, or marriage. He married me. I wasn't pregnant, but I easily could have been.

Our marriage didn't last, but we got two beautiful sons out of it and now we have two beautiful grandchildren and thank God the government had nothing to do with it!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:21 PM
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16. Do they take children if they smell nicotine ciggs ?
It seems that is more deadly to the child .

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