Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

From FL's State Song: "... darkies ... a-longing for de old plantation..."!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:19 AM
Original message
From FL's State Song: "... darkies ... a-longing for de old plantation..."!
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 11:29 AM by ProgressiveEconomist
Does any state have a more racist State Song? Finally, after more than 70 years, a Florida governor -- a Republican! -- agrees with Democratic plans to scrap "Old Folks at Home". aka "Swanee River".

From http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070507&s=judis050907 :

'A solid red state in 2004, Florida's back up for grabs

... Crist has become a champion of civil rights. The man once known as "Chain Gang Charlie" for his advocacy of chain gangs for inmates has ... endorsed a Democratic plan to replace the state song, "Old Folks at Home," which speaks of "darkies...a-longing for the old plantation."'

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Foster's 1851 minstrel show lyrics (in pidgin English) and more details about the state song controversy are at
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/03/05/new-governor-dump-darkies-and-faux-florida-state-song

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:28 AM
Response to Original message
1. I am going to disagree with Charlie on this one and expect fully to get flamed...
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 11:30 AM by JCMach1
The song was a historic Minstrel song written by Stephen Foster...

The song is as much about a critique of slavery as a celebration... the protagonist has been 'sold down the river' so to speak and longs for his family...


Way down upon de Swanee ribber,
Far, far away,
Dere's wha my heart is turning ebber,
Dere's wha de old folks stay.
All up and down de whole creation
Sadly I roam,
Still longing for de old plantation
And for de old folks at home.
Chorus
All de world am sad and dreary,
Ebry where I roam,
Oh! darkies how my heart grows weary,
Far from de old folks at home.
2nd verse
All round de little farm I wandered
When I was young,
Den many happy days I squandered,
Many de songs I sung.
When I was playing wid my brudder
Happy was I
Oh! take me to my kind old mudder,
Dere let me live and die.
Chorus
3rd verse
One little hut amond de bushes,
One dat I love,
Still sadly to my mem'ry rushes,
No matter where I rove
When will I see de bees a humming
All round de comb?
When will I hear de banjo tumming
Down in my good old home?




Oh, just switch it to the theme from Miami Vice... surely that couldn't be offensive... I think it is very healthy to open the discussion over the song... I think it should be kept in place precisely because it teaches people a lesson of the the 'old' south... one that is not positive
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. You've got to be kidding. Is that a decades-old far-right talking point in Florida?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Sure is beautiful
Maybe in a hundred years if the planet survives and all the racist wounds are healed folks can revive such pieces of historical significance. But I can understand that it would offend early in the 21st century when racism is still such a hot issue everywhere in the world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Agreed. I doubt millions of schoolchildren who may have been forced to learn and sing
those State Song lyrics grasped any subtle condemnations of slavery's worst excesses in them. Is this what Florida schoolchildren should be required to memorize in the 21st century?

Imagine being a child of color and being forced to "learn that poem".

Stephen Foster wrote some very catchy tunes, though. Is "Old Kentucky Home" still the Kentucky State Song?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Old KY Home is still the state song.
But they don't sing it the "old" way anymore - the line about "tis summer, and the darkies are gay" is now "people are gay ..."

Bake
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Life-long Floridian here
*The song is as much about a critique of slavery as a celebration... the protagonist has been 'sold down the river' so to speak and longs for his family...*


All the more reason we should ditch it. A state song should celebrate the state and it's culture not it's shameful past.

We need a Florida equivalent to "Georgia on My Mind"

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. My family has been in FL since the 1820's, but that's a moot point- I just don't think we should
go about covering over the scars and contradictions of slavery...

And no, Jimmy Buffet is no substitute :puke:


Foster supported abolition and at the same time supported a number a racist views... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/foster/peopleevents/e_politics.html



As I said, I knew I would be flamed...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. "Contradictions of slavery"? What was so good about slavery that every schoolchild
must be taught to sing about "darkies ... a-longin' fo' de ole plantation"?

Can't you mentally put yourself in the shoes of an African-American child in today's Florida for one moment? African-Americans and most white Americans don't appreciate "the good old days" of slavery the way you apparently do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. not good...
just the inherrent tensions and contradictions in Fosters views and apparently his music...

Besides, it's a cool song...

Maybe they could just vote to deep six the lyrics...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. "Maybe .. just deep 6 the lyrics". IMO, that bell cannot be un-rung. But congratulations
for some movement off your original untenable position.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #7
18. Billie Holiday disliked singing "Georgia on My Mind"
because of her experiences touring there in the Big Band Jim Crow era.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:24 PM
Response to Original message
6. How about "Carry Me Back to Old Virginny?"
Carry Me back to Old Virginny
Written by James Bland

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where the old darke'ys heart am long'd to go,
There's where I labored so hard for old massa,
Day after day in the field of yellow corn,
No place on earth do I love more sincerely
Than old Virginny, the state where I was born.

CHORUS

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where this old darkey's heart am long'd to go.

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There let me live 'till I wither and decay,
Long by the old Dismal Swamp have I wandered,
There's where this old darke'ys life will pass away.
Massa and missis have long gone before me,
Soon we will meet on that bright and golden shore,
There we'll be happy and free from all sorrow,
There's where we'll meet and we'll never part no more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. i was about to post that
the state reps removed the 'official state song' designation in the early 90s
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #6
22. Have there been efforts to put that one to rest too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:41 PM
Response to Original message
8. "Slave Quarters" by James DICKEY
************QUOTE********
http://books.google.com/books?id=5n82ztXMkx0C&pg=PA89&l...

(from "The Imagination of James Dickey")

.... ...Or the denial of vision can facilitate a more formal, sinister betrayal, as Dickey imagines himself as, simultaneiously, a slave owner on a slave plantation and the white father of an illegitimate black son and the father-who-denies-his-son, a master driven to madness by his role as an owner, in the poem "Slave Quarters." Dickey's question concerns itself with many forms of paternal betrayal of the eyes of others:



(tab) What it is to look once a day
(tab) Into an only
(tab) Son's brown, waiting, wholly possessed
(tab) Amazing eye, and not
(tab) Acknowledge, but own...



Ho take on the guilt...? is the poem's central question.

**********UNQUOTE*********
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
9. Floridays by Jimmy Buffett would substitute nicely.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 01:44 PM by dubyadubya3
Floridays

I come from where the rivers meet the sea
That's part of why I'm so wild and fancy free
I was early into crazy ways
My folks said, "It's just a phase"
They were hoping for better days

Now in my line of work I seem to see a lot more than most
Write 'em down, pas 'em around
It's the gospel from the coast
Reflections, not just replays
Takin' time to escape the maze
Lookin' for better days

I spent a year of my life one night
On the beaches in old Beirut
Seems that all they're aimin' for there
Is to hang around and shoot
Each others' lives away
Bloody winds on a distant bay
They're lookin' for better days

Looking to the left, looking to the right
Looking to the stars to shed some light
Hoping for a breath, hoping for break
Hopin' for the give without the take

The dreamers line the state road
Just to watch the runway show
Slouched behind their steering wheels
They just watch the big jets go
Streakin' through the morning haze
Focal point of a distant gaze
Lookin' for better days

Pale invaders and tanned crusaders
Are worshipping the sun
On the corner of "walk" and "don't walk"
Somewhere on US 1
I'm back to livin' Floridays
Blue skies and ultra-violet rays
Lookin' for better days

I'm back to livin' Floridays
Blue skies and ultra-violet rays
Lookin' for better days, lookin' for better days
Lookin' for Floridays

Better days, better days
Everybody's lookin' for better days
Somewhere beneath the shining star
Better days, mon't you take me to better days
Better days, I sure could use a few better days
Floridays
---------------------------------------------------

Of course, there's always Margaritaville ... :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:29 PM
Response to Original message
11. Yet another example of stupidity in FL
Stephen Foster is America's foremost songwriter and his work will live on forever.

Many songs of the times were racist. Foster's were not. He REFERS to black people, not just in the South but in his own area (Pittsburgh) -- he does not castigate them.

The songs that the PC iconoclasts are trying to "sanitize" from our country are beautiful and tender, with universal themes. Black people, or slaves, might be the subjects, but they are excellent subjects at that historical period to write songs about loss and sadness.

"Old Folks at Home" banned, because it uses the word "plantation"? The "voice" of the song is not longing for slavery or is happy in that condition; rather he is longing for his home, as anyone would, who is travelling and feels lost in the world. That is a universal theme. "All the world is sad and dreary everywhere I go" -- that's the important line that speaks to the human heart. In the words of a writer from the Stephen Foster library, "Foster's intended meaning (1850s): No matter how far we may travel or what sadness the world imposes on us, all our hearts ache for the best memories of childhood, the security of a family and parents ("old folks"), the familiarity of a home." "Old Folks at Home" is well-known and loved all ove the planet, and it has hundreds of different meanings for people.

But don't take my word for it.

In the words of black scholar W.E.B. DuBois (ca. 1900): "Old Folks at Home is legitimately considered an authentic song of the Negro race, who have adopted it to express their own emotions."

In the words of W.C. Handy ("Father of the Blues" in his autobiography, 1955): "Old Folks at Home, My Old Kentucky Home, and Old Black Joe helped bring about emancipation, and owe something to the "well of sorrow" that gave rise to the blues."

"Old Black Joe" racist? My god -- that's one of the saddest and sentimental songs I know and I cry every time I hear it, but it's "racist" just because dying Old Joe is black? Again, in words from the Foster Library, "a secular hymn written by a white man to the beauty and dignity of a black man, first such song in American history."

"My Old Kentucky Home" is beautiful. It's also heartbreaking in its universal theme of loss of home. Another one that makes me cry. (Gee -- I'm surprised no one is jumping up and down because not only are the subjects of that song "darkees", but they are also "gay." ;)

Minstrel music is ambiguous. On one hand, blacks are kept separate from the "mainstream" i.e. white people because of racial prejudice, yet this music also demonstrates that white people ADMIRE them, sympathize with them, imitate them (I mean they adopt their musical styles and creative manner of speech). The same thing happens 100 years later with rock n roll. It started as a musical style created by black Americans, and was picked up by white Americans who admired it.

(BTW -- Stephen Foster's work has very little in common with true "minstrel music.")

To say that this is an example of Crist's championship of civil rights is a joke.

Back off of Stephen Foster.

Crist has flipped out. The PC crowd flips out, once again. Rip Foster out of American culture, and attempt to sanitize the world by denying his existance and his overwhelming talent as a songwriter, and you leave it a more lifeless, bland, stupider place.

All the shit happening in the world, and people are obsessing over words that appear in historical songs?

How about taking on some REAL racism, Gov Crist, folks? Not like there isn't plenty out there. Cops aren't shooting young black men in the back because of some Stephen Foster song they heard.









Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. shd every schoolchild be forced 2 sing them 4ever?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. Good points, also 'Plantation' didn't have the narrow definition we have today
For example, William Bradfords account of Pilgrim settlers is called "Of Plymouth Plantation"


Plantation was also 'HOME', not just an economic unit of slavery.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. IMO, millions of white US Southerners continue to celebrate a HOLOCAUST that destroyed
hundreds of millions of lives. This continued white celebration, the source of Republican electoral dominance in the South since Nixon's "Southern Strategy", continues to damage tens of millions more. Minstrel songs belong in a Museum of Slavery and Racism, not in the school curriculum as a kind of catechism for teaching racism, and not in 21st-Century inaugurations of Governors.

Go to any other country with a history of slavery, and you will find many lavishly-appointed museums of slavery, used mainly to teach schoolchildren about the horrors of slavery and racism. How many Americans know that the founding head of the American Medical Association made Josef Mengele look like Albert Schweitzer? Harriet Washington's new book, Medical Apartheid, explains not only how slaves were bought and subjected to unspeakable experimental atrocities without anesthesia, but also how much trouble she had getting access to the evidence of these atrocities, now in the hands of PR flacks for the medical profession.

Why isn't there a National Museum of Slavery and Racism on the Mall in Washington? See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/25/wslave25.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/10/25/ixworld.html :

"Deep South slave shrine stirs old hatreds. Last Updated: 12:01am BST 25/10/2003

The branding iron was made to last, its handle burnished by frequent use, its head a simple hand-forged "S", pressed, red-hot, countless times to human skin. Next to it, in the stifling back room of a Mississippi bank, lay a coiled whip, crafted with care, its woven leather still supple after a century in an attic. In a happier world, these objects would have lost their power of terror. They would no longer provoke anyone to murderous hate. But they do. The whip and branding iron belong to Jim and Mary Anne Petty, amateur historians from the seaside resort of Gulfport, Mississippi. They are among the rarest pieces from their unique collection of slavery artefacts, gathered from collectors and private houses across the rural South.

The Pettys want their collection - now 25,000 pieces strong - to form a museum of slavery. No American institution has anything like their collection, and they have received several offers. But to date, each time a deal has been near, nervous politicians have blinked. White supremacist groups have made their anger plain, sending hate mail to the Pettys, and accusing them of faking their artefacts. Bottles have been hurled at their home. For the moment, they stage travelling exhibitions and visit schools willing to host them. They find children horrified by the whips and brands, but baffled by such items as their tiny "Negro shoes" - wooden-soled leather boots for a house slave, of perhaps three or four years old. "Were children slaves?" one black pupil asked recently. "The children have no idea of their history - white or black," Mr Petty said. "They say, 'I'd never let that happen to me'. We have to explain to them the system was imposed by force."

Such ignorance is no accident, Mr Petty says. State schools skirt gingerly around the dark history of the South, fearing the wrath of groups established to defend "southern heritage", such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans or the League of the South. To Howard Jones, a history professor at the University of Alabama, the Pettys must succeed in their quest to build the Middle Passage Museum, as they call their project. "I honestly believe this is the only collection of its kind," said Dr Jones, whose book Mutiny on the Amistad was adapted for the cinema by Steven Spielberg. "In order to heal, you have to be forced to look at what slavery was like. There are people still trying to hang on to that whole romanticised Gone With the Wind version of the South. They have to face their history." Dr Jones would like to see the museum set up in the South. "That's going to take someone mighty brave, even prepared to cost themselves a political career."

Rip Daniels, a businessman and broadcaster and the Pettys' most prominent black backer, fears the costs for the couple could be still higher. "What Jim has here is heresy," he said. "These objects show that African Americans did not acquiesce, that they did not submit graciously." Mr Daniels, who owns a local radio station and is one of its presenters, believes that defiant white Southerners are increasingly denying the reality of slavery.

"When you talk to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, they don't talk about actual historical events, they talk of the 'southern gentleman', of how he must have been." To Mr Daniels, whites have two choices. "They can justify their ancestors, or they can accept that they participated in a horrible episode of American history" he said. "As an African-American, I have to accept that some of my ancestors were in chains." Rip Daniels has received death threats himself, including a postcard of a lynching, with the message, "You're next". "There are people who take it upon themselves to be the curators of the Caucasian male ego," he said. "These are people who would plot Jim's demise. ..."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:40 AM
Response to Original message
20. Not a state song, but one of the most racist: "Mississippi Mud" (ie, Bix Beiderbecke rendition)
Politically correct lyrics were added in the 1950s and big time artists like Sinatra, Shore, Dean Martin, Rosemary Clooney, Ray Charles, Hank Williams, and others then recorded "Mississippi Mud". Still, with the substitution of "people" for "darkies" the message still came across that everything was groovy on the plantation ("Just as happy as a cow chewin' on a cud").

When the sun goes down, the tide goes out,
The people gather 'round and they all begin to shout,
"Hey! Hey! Uncle Dud,
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi Mud.
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi Mud".
What a dance do they do!
Lordy, how I'm tellin' you...
They don't need no band...
They keep time by clappin' their hand.
Just as happy as a cow chewin' on a cud.
When the people beat their feet on the Mississippi Mud.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. Link to all 50 state songs (lyrics, sheet music, and midi) at URL
http://www.50states.com/songs .

Apparently, Mississippi's current state song (since 1962) was arch-segregationist Ross Barnett's campaign theme. IMO, that can't be very good either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC