It's chaos now or it's chaos later. Bring our troops home NOW.

[helderheid]

Hell, it's already chaos.

[BOSSHOG]

1. More brilliant conservative logic

If we leave now, things will get bad ..

All the suffering of Iraqis and American troops is squarely in the lap of george bush and his enablers, sadly people who don't give a fuck about the evil they have let loose on the planet.

[helderheid]

18. drives me nuts!

[Zookeeper]

2. Absolutely.

Thanks to our invasion and the incompetence of our fearless leaders, Iraq is FUBAR.

I don't see how we can repair it.

[Tin Man]

3. Iraq is a big boulder, rolling downhill...

...there's no stopping it - just gotta wait until it comes to rest at the bottom. Sad but true.

[helderheid]

5. Good analogy - throwing more American lives at it ain't gonna stop that boulder.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. Some things are just so badly broken they're beyond fixing.

It is just mind-boggling how we went in there and turned a nasty situation into a total disaster beyond redemption.

[midnight]

6. Thats right. Bring them home. Now!!!!!!

Hell has no less, and or more. Hell is Hell. And that is what our troops are being asked to endure. They are not even able to promote democracy, because they are just trying to stay alive. Anyways, wasn't mission accomplished already. Time to bring them home.

[helderheid]

10. Mission Accomplished

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. or put another way, If we stay...

it's chaos with massive oil and defense company profits, and if we leave, it'll be chaos WITHOUT the massive oil and defense company profits.

[Tin Man]

8. true dat!

One thing's for certain: these last couple years have been blockbusters for the oil and defense industries.

[helderheid]

9. DING DING DING! The REAL answer!

:applause:

[damntexdem]

16. Defense profits, yes. But for oil profits, the oil has to flow.

The U.S. can't even make that happen regularly.

[blues90]

11. It's their mission

They have their permanent bases and of course the oil . We all know they went into to Iraq and their mission was to stay there as long as life goes on . It was never to make a democracy or have elections or the rebuild what they have destroyed and continue to do so .

US military industrial protocall , that's what they are all about .

[BlueIris]

12. That's what I say.

But you have summed it up so concisely.

[truth2power]

13. You're absolutely correct, of course...

Every time I hear some moron blabbering about how is we leave now the situation will devolve into chaos I want to bang my head into the wall.

I fail to see how life in Iraq could possibily become qualitatively worse. We've turned that country into a total hell-hole. And the only reason Americans accept that BS excuse is that they DO NOT see the horrific daily carnage on their TVs.

That's contrary to what Dear Leader says. If you recall, Bush frequently refers to the fantasy that we see what's going on in Iraq. No, we don't. Because there's been an almost total blackout of the images of this war.

Well, that and the fact that we've murdered practically every journalist who's tried to report from the war zone.

[blues90]

14. That is the problem , we don't see anything

Not that many would have the stomach for it . This is why tony snowman got away with stating it's just a number .

The only ones who know the true horrors are the ones living with this loss of either life or limbs or other horrid damage .

I am certain the numbers of deaths are far higher than we are told either of the troops or Iraqis .

[helderheid]

17. Did you hear Barbara Boxer on the Senate floor today talking about Jan 28th in Iraq?

Broke my heart. It was my birthday.

[damntexdem]

15. Pottery Barn: If you break it, you own it.

But Humpty Dumpty: All the king's horses and all the king's men ...

Dubya broke it; we own it; but we can't fix it. Pull out now!