Suspend Micheal Vick from NFL...PLEASE..

[Highway61]

Need to send a message. Dog fighting...they want him to perhaps take a "leave of absence" and keep his contract for 6 million till this "blows over"

Please ask NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to suspend Michael
Vick immediately for his cruelty. It will only take a minute.
Here is the link:

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nfl2?rk=lpNDqR51Nbs8W

[malaise]

1. Yep and leave the war criminals in the WH

Protest Vick and ignore Bush and Cheney.

[LostinVA]

2. Most people can handle more than one thought at a time

All of them are sociopaths.

[Highway61]

3. Why not both??????

They are not mutually exclusive. Hellloooo?

[Dutch]

16. Hell, lets just ignore all rapists and murderers!!

I mean, what's the point of taking on any of the other evil bastards in the world when we cant get rid of the war criminals in the white house!?!?

[michreject]

4. He has been convicted of what?

Tell me again. I musta missed the article.

[Highway61]

6. Micheal Vick Indicted...link

http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick_2?c=hamvkyh&qp_source=hamvkyh0720&OVRAW=michael+vick&OVKEY=michael+vick&OVMTC=standard&OVADID=5011221521&OVKWID=52436216021

[Kagemusha]

8. Sir or madam, there's a big difference between indicted and convicted.

It's like the difference between President Clinton being impeached and having been removed (or not) from office.

[China_cat]

11. And any other player, when indicted for ANY other offense

would be suspended until after the case went to court.

Why is this one different? Because it only involves dogs?

[Kagemusha]

12. You're absolutely, completely wrong about that though!

No, every other player, when indicted for any other offense, would NOT be suspended until after the case went to court. Why should this one be different? Because it involves dogs?

Or is this part of the NFL's recent history where suspensions are concerned some sort of giant secret? I wouldn't know.

[michreject]

19. Read again............ convicted of what?

I know you can do it. Here's some help if you get stuck.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

[bluestateguy]

5. I will not ask the NFl Commissioner to do that, until and unless Vick is found guilty

If he is suspended for a year and acquitted in court, his career will for all intents and purposes be over. Most NFL players who are suspended for a year either don't come back at all, or come back as a shell of the player they used to be, and soon find themselves phased out of football. I know there are exceptions to this rule; you don't need to cite the examples to me.

So for that reason, I don't think he should be suspended unless and until he is found guilty.

So your request to have me contact the NFL Commissioner on behalf of your demands is denied.

[Kagemusha]

7. HSUS doesn't understand about Pac Man.

They're saying if you can suspend Pac Man, you can suspend Vick. Pac Man wasn't suspended for the crimes he was not convicted of or even charged with. He was suspended for things that he did for sure, that were not crimes, but were stupid, getting in trouble by frequenting places that the NFL and his own team told him in no uncertain terms to stay the hell away of, and to keep out of trouble, which Pac Man didn't do. Pac Man not staying out of trouble is an indisputable fact. He was not suspended for crimes he was not convicted of. He was suspended for acts that he did commit, short of crime (that anyone has convicted him of).

Vick's situation is totally different. Vick didn't get some sort of cease and desist order because Vick had strongly denied he was involved in dogfighting. In other words, where Pac Man can't deny he got into trouble (crime or not), Vick can and has denied he was into dogfighting. Now, he probably was; he probably lied to the NFL discipline man's face. But until that fact is proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, you can't say, oh look, he was indicted, that proves he's guilty. Vick hasn't even spent a single day in court over this yet.

So HSUS sees it simply as, no one had to wait for Pac Man to be convicted so let's have fairness. No, the NFL suspended not over the things he WASN'T convicted of, he was suspended for things the NFL could actually pin on him for sure. Suspending on the basis of secret grand jury evidence not presented before a judge let alone a jury yet is not gonna go well.

If the NFL suspends Vick without pay indefinitely, Vick will be able to sue the NFL for his money, and punitive damages for jumping the gun. How this helps animals, I don't know.

[beyurslf]

9. Can we wait until he is convicted before we call to fire him?

[globalvillage]

10. I agree with suspension

NFL players are role models for children. Is it appropriate for them to watch this animal abuser on the TV Sunday afternoons with all of Atlanta cheering him on?
It would be different if there was no evidence, but 66 dogs, a dog fighting pen, bloody carpets in his house and eye witnesses is enough for me to believe he should be suspended pending investigation.
It happens to cops all the time. When there's sufficient evidence, they're put on suspension pending a review. Why should Vick be treated differently?

[Kagemusha]

13. You're aware such cops are suspended with pay, right?

They don't earn base salaries of millions of dollars. And they don't have those base salaries wiped out for the percentage of the working year the suspension covers.

[KharmaTrain]

14. Tank Johnson

Here's a guy who got second chance after second chance...the Chicago Bears and their fans looking the other way as this guy went on to demonstrated a lot of self-destructive behavior...but since he was one hell of a tackle, it was a "quirky personality". Eventually that behavior landed him behind bars and forced the NFL and the Bears to take action. Even then...Johnson still demonstrates a behavior that, sadly, will lead him to a very sad future was he was caught again driving from a party at 3am...while his BAC was below standard, enough was enough for the Bears...he was cut. He still faces an NFL suspension for his previous altercations, but come next November, I'm certain some team...in the heat of the playoffs...will pick him up and all will be forgiven.

NFL precedence is not to suspend until proven guilty. While it appears Vick is guilty, he still hasn't been convicted. This is putting the NFL in a bind as they know the PR disaster of ignoring this situation, but it also puts them in a situation where they'd have to judge other cases in a similar manner....suspending players for indefinite periods pending trials. That's a slippery slope I don't think they want to head down.

[genie_weenie]

15. In the NFL and all other pro sports Talent Trumps all other Concerns

Marque players who bring the fans into the games are rarely held accountable for their actions. After all Leonard Little killed a woman (Susan Gutweiler) drunken driving in 1998 and he has enjoyed a profitable NFL career. So why should Vick who is the fastest palyer in the NFL be punished?

Until Vick is found guilty Goodell and Arthur Blank (Owner of the Falcons and Home DePot) will not threaten their money makers with punishment.

Pros & Cons: The Criminals Who Play in the NFL...
http://www.amazon.com/Pros-Cons-Criminals-Who-Play/dp/0446607479

[Dutch]

17. Amen

There are few punishments sufficient for the inhuman scum that participate in dogfighting, but this would be a start.

[soothsayer]

18. hell, they don't even care that he's a 'coach killer'