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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:21 AM
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WaPo: "Sensational story of Sibel Edmonds" almost uniformly ignored by U.S. press.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 11:34 AM by lukery
Washington Post:
"(Sibel) Edmonds's story has been almost uniformly ignored in the U.S. daily press. "


That's certainly true. Why?

WaPo:
One possible explanation is that the heart of Edmonds's story remains unconfirmed.

said
That's not true. Senator Charles Grassley said:
"Absolutely, she's credible. And the reason I feel she's very credible is because people within the FBI have corroborated a lot of her story."


Grassley made that statement in 2002. The WaPo article is from 2004. And we've learnt a lot since then.

More.

******
The WaPo article, published in the "World Opinion Roundup" section, April 8 2004, began thusly:

The sensational story of Sibel Edmonds illuminates the world of difference between the international online media and the U.S. press.

Edmonds is a 33-year-old former FBI translator whose February allegations to the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks directly challenge the credibility of the commission's star witness, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. In an April 2 interview with the Independent of London, Edmonds said she read intelligence reports from the summer of 2001 that al Qaeda operatives planned to fly hijacked airplanes into U.S. skyscrapers.


Given that the 'article' was in the "World Opinion Roundup" section of the newspaper, the purpose of the piece was primarily to highlight what was being discussed in foreign media vis a vis US media, so I don't want particularly want to bash the piece (and it is generally quite friendly to Sibel) but the piece does highlight, particularly in retrospect, a lot of what is wrong with the (lack of) reporting on Sibel's case.

The WaPo piece is very frustrating for a bunch of reasons - large and small - and I can't help myself but to deal with the small reasons (because they do point to larger institutional failings) before we get to the more significant reasons. Firstly, the piece juxtaposes US press vs "international online media." The Independent is one of the most respected English-speaking <strong>print</strong> publications on the planet. They put (this element of) Sibel's story on the front page.

Secondly, the WaPo piece suggests that maybe "foreign editors are less scrupulous" than their 'prudent' US counterparts because some Murdoch press around the world ran with the "unconfirmed" Drudge story that John Kerry was having an affair with an intern then we ought to take the Independent's front page story with a grain of salt.

And this brings us to the larger issues. WaPo argues "The documents that she says will corroborate her story have not yet surfaced and may not exist." It is true that the documents haven't surfaced - but we have some circumstantial evidence that what Sibel is trying to say is true and valid. Sibel has been gagged by Attorney General John Ashcroft. The US Congress has been gagged by Attorney General John Ashcroft. These simple acts provide a prima facie case that there is some there, there.

WaPo argues that "One possible explanation (for US media silence) is that the heart of Edmonds's story remains unconfirmed." Firstly, the function of journalism is to test whether such allegations are true - usually by getting documents, or people, on the record. There are people who have gone on the record supporting Sibel's allegations - but still the US media ignores the case. Veteran FBI counter-intelligence agent John Cole said:
"I felt that maybe I could be of some assistance to her because I knew she was doing the right thing. I knew she was right...

I was talking to FBI colleagues in the administrative division who had read her file, who had read the investigative report and they were telling me a different story. They were telling me that Sibel Edmonds was a 100% accurate, that management knew that she was correct."


As far as I know, the only media organization to report this was Congressional Quarterly, once. English journalist David Rose wrote an 11 page articletwo years ago, documenting Sibel's case - actually, just two elements of the case - sourced to people with first-hand knowledge of her case. One of the claims in the article was that Dennis Hastert had received bribes by foreign officials - surely a significant story - but as far as I know, the only reference in the US media was a recent article in Wired magazine.

But the claims are never denied. We only get silence. And the silence of the US media marks them as co-conspirators. We don't get 'he said, she said' reporting, for once. Just silence.

WaPo says:
"The documents that she says will corroborate her story have not yet surfaced and may not exist


Maybe the documents exist, maybe they dont - apparently they are the Schrödinger's cat of documentary evidence. For 5 years Sibel has staked her claim, her reputation, on the fact that they exist.
"Put out those tapes. Put out those wiretaps. Put out those documents. Put out the truth. The truth is going to hurt them. The truth is going to set me free."


That's a direct, verifiable challenge. The facts are either true, or they're not. Sibel has done everything she can <strong>to make her claims public where they can be tested, with documents</strong>. She tried to take her case to the Supreme Court - now her only chance is to get Henry Waxman to hold hearings into her case. She'll testify under oath, she says that all of her bosses will testify under oath. She's either telling the truth, or the USG is going to extraordinary lengths to prevent her from proving that she is crazy.

Call Waxman. Demand public open hearings:
DC phone: (202) 225-3976
LA phone: 323 651-1040
fax: (202) 225-4099
Capitol switchboard phone: 800-828-0498

update: i meant to include a link to this YouTube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Cm-uRQmfUU
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:23 AM
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1. K&R
:kick:

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:25 AM
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2. Waxman has been silent also.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:57 AM
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14. waxman has been an ass n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:41 PM
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31. Sibel has asked us all to call Waxmans office to enquirer as to
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 01:47 PM by ooglymoogly
DC phone: (202) 225-3976
LA phone: 323 651-1040

why it is not being investigated...I called his office in Washington and will call the L.A. office next...thy said they would pass along my concern to Waxman...I then asked to speak to the oversight office to see if I could pin down where they are on this...she also said she would pass along my concern but did not know anything....she passed me on to what I assumed was the secretary of the committee itself and she searched the list and found nothing....so I hope everyone will call both offices.

DC phone: (202) 225-3976
LA phone: 323 651-1040 DC phone: (202) 225-3976

edited for gibberish
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:23 PM
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33. After calling Waxmans office I have no faith that he has any
intention of pursuing this...shouldn't Sibel start trying to light a fire under John Conyers...he is after all chairman of the Judiciary committee and is far less committed to special interests than Waxman. I think she would have a lot more luck there. Apparently Grassley is pretty fired up too.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:27 PM
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39. thnx
thnx for your efforts.

it's so disheartening about Waxman. He and his staff pretend they know nothing. They have blown off everyone - including the 30 organizations (ACLU etc) who asked him to do something about this.

It would be nice if Conyers stepped up.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:30 AM
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3. NGU Lukery! n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:46 AM
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6. NGU?? n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:48 AM
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9. Never Give Up.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:48 AM
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10. never give up
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:20 AM
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60. DUUA
:)


























Don't Use Uncommon Acronyms :P
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:35 AM
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4. K & R
Good job, Lukery.

Has anyone ever asked why the 'state secrets privilege'? I haven't seen it anywhere!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:06 PM
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15. sibel asked recently
I've been meaning to splice the video - but sibel recently excoriated the msm for never asking "why on earth did they invoke ssp?"

i'll try to get around to it. it's very compelling
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:44 AM
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5. WaPost is doing the media version of 'limited hangout' so it APPEARS they're
covering a story that they are deliberately NOT covering in any forward wsy.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:50 AM
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12. Operation Mockingbird along with military PsyOps media entrenchment
keeps us 'mushrooms' in the dark while feeding us lotsa fertilizer.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:11 PM
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18. Heh - yeah - and the 'coincidence theorists' here eat it up with a spoon.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:15 PM
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29. Yep, those domestic ops being illegal and all could never happen here
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 01:19 PM by EVDebs
CNN and PsyOps
http://www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops

Operation CHAOS
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/lyon.html

"For over fifteen years, the CIA, with assistance from numerous government agencies, conducted a massive illegal domestic covert operation called Operation CHAOS. It was one of the largest and most pervasive domestic surveillance programs in the history of this country. Throughout the duration of CHAOS, the CIA spied on thousands of U.S. citizens. The CIA went to great lengths to conceal this operation from the public while every president from Eisenhower to Nixon exploited CHAOS for his own political ends....

In June 1970 Nixon met with Hoover, Helms, NSA Director Admiral Noel Gaylor, and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) representative Lt. Gen. Donald V. Bennett and told them he wanted a coordinated and concentrated effort against domestic dissenters. To do that, he was creating the Interagency Committee on Intelligence (ICI), chaired by Hoover. The first ICI report, in late June, recommended new efforts in "black bag operations," wiretapping, and a mail-opening program. In late July 1970, Huston told the members of the ICI that their recommendations had been accepted by the White House. (13)

John Dean replaced Tom Huston as White House aide in charge of domestic intelligence, and at his urging, a Justice Department group, the Intelligence Evaluation Committee, was established to study domestic groups, over Hoover's protest. Deteriorating relations between the FBI and the other intelligence agencies, especially the CIA, caused Hoover to fire William Sullivan. At that time, Sullivan was the liaison officer between the FBI and the other intelligence agencies and he strongly favored the expansion of domestic operations. "

These illegal operations never ended after Watergate and now we have the continuing songanddance of 'national security' justifications for whatever spying, mainly on political opponents of the existing regime, is deemed necessary. Given this history, it's hard for me to conceive of an administration being 'worse that Watergate' (and John Dean would surely know !) but this appears to be the present reality.



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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:46 AM
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7. Sibel's story is another example of how those in government charged with oversight are
not interested in pursuing stories that show major flaws or misdeeds in government. Sibel's story is HUGE. I think it is so big that many feel it would be toxic for all concerned. Cowards.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:51 AM
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13. One More Reason
The case is non-partisan. The filth touches both sides...
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:09 PM
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16. Maybe it touches both sides. But my point is that government is made up
of two parties, essentially. One would think that the opposition party would be happy to expose the other side, show corruption, show misdeeds etc but I'm not sure that's the case. I think there may be a perception by the opposition party that showing how bad, corrupt, and immoral our government has been harms everyone in government and harms overall faith in America internally and externally.

Just how badly damaged would our reputation be if it became known to the world that our elections were fake? Or that there was some inside knowledge of a possible 9/11? Or that elements within our government conspired with other governments and criminal elements to manipulate legislation, national security, and public opinion?

I think many in government would feel that exposing our terrible flaws would diminish us as a nation and they don't want to contribute to the self-immolation.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:17 PM
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19. Right, but...
as long as this is the case, say good bye to 'bringing about needed reforms.'

You are absolutely correct: our ridiculous campaign financing model, rigged voting machined, revolving doors,...and the list goes on.

"I think many in government would feel that exposing our terrible flaws would diminish us as a nation and they don't want to contribute to the self-immolation": This is exactly what it takes to mobilize the people and bring about 'real' reform/change. On the other hand, continuing this party-line, partisan, muscle flexing, will only ensure the continuation of this pathetic state of our country...
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:30 PM
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21. bipartisan
sibel gave a speech a couple of weeks ago saying that there are FOUR corrupt congressfolk in her her case alone.

it touches both sides, and that's why neither has done, or will do, anything about it - unless we scream and shout.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:30 PM
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20. Yes it IS a problem for both sides. That is evidenced by the recent Cunningham FBI report...
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 PM by calipendence
It looks like BOTH Democrats and Republicans had tried to block this report from getting out. There have been questions on the following two threads linked here, on whether we can even trust what the FBI is telling us. Perhaps, even though there's a lot of heavy additional information going after people like Brent Wilkes and Kontogiannis, which perhaps the right wing is writing off somehow (and probably getting ready to pardon or commute their sentences too), they are putting this out in these documents that still might be leaving out some of the more serious information about the more serious crimes going on now. Perhaps we could have some FBI whistleblowers vouch for the authenticity of these documents or not, or whether they are leaving out data and not be viewed to be "complete" sets of information?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2921313
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1372326

When I see House Intelligence Committee chairman, Democrat Sivestre Reyes, earlier trying to keep this report from being made public, I'm guessing that there might be similar or the same forces at work that are trying to keep Waxman from calling Sibel to the stand. You also had Kontogiannis's guilty plea to his case have those case notes "sealed" as well, and Mark Geragos, lawyer for Brent Wilkes, dropping out as lawyer for Wilkes when they wanted to have a background check done on him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2921099&mesg_id=2921099

When you now have both Russell Feingold and Bernie Sanders, coming out publicly to say "they don't support impeachment", when you would expect those two be at the top of the list of the Senate to lead such an effort (even though technically it begins in the House), you have to wonder what kind of behind the scenes pressure is going on to cover up a lot of the more serious criminal information that Sibel knows about, and is buried in other parts that might lead to impeachment. There is something I believe seriously going on behind the scenes that make me wonder if we can count on the arms of impeachment being our sole means to help our government get "fixed" before those in power now play certain cards that might shut down any Democratic method of doing so.

Hearing Paul Craig Roberts yesterday on Thom Hartmann and he as a member of a Republican Reagan administration say that we need to impeach Bush and Cheney because he's concerned that they might be conjuring up another 9/11 style event to fend off the collapse of the Republican party in my mind just heightens my concern that this sort of effort might be going on now. They are interested in stopping impeachment at ALL costs now until they play these other cards, and its hard to say to what extent they are willing to go to stop impeachment. I think we're touching those edges now.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:46 PM
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24. I'm with you on all of that. There's a LOT going on we don't see. nt
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:32 PM
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40. you are right
i've been meaning to write a post linking Sibel's case and the Reyes/HPSCI/Wilkes debacle.

Blackmail seems the most likely answer in both cases. It's shocking.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:10 PM
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17. true. waxman promised
and now he is silent.

bastard.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:09 AM
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46. Yes, this is the problem we face.
Dangerous to our well being IMO and sad.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:47 AM
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8. K&R
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:49 AM
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11. k n r
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:32 PM
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22. K&R. (nt)
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:32 PM
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23. Thanks to your posts on Sibel's case,
I think I call Rep. Waxman's office more often than I call my rep., Mike Michaud (D-ME). Thank you again for pushing it.

I still can't believe the deafening silence. This rabbit hole must go pretty deep for Waxman and all other Dem's to basically ignore it when the evidence and willing-to-testify witnesses make the case seem to be the most solid scandal on the very long list. Why? Could they be saving this investigation for a launch a little closer to Nov. 2008?

I think it needs to happen now and am not afraid to keep telling Waxman's office so. As time goes on, witnesses might start to "disappear" or suddenly have a change in recollection.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:53 PM
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25. saving?
"Could they be saving this investigation for a launch a little closer to Nov. 2008?"
nope.

i promise.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:21 PM
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30. Agreed
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:55 PM
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26. kos version
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:02 PM
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27. Why doesn't she just write a novel (fiction that everyone would know
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 01:05 PM by ooglymoogly
is truth)...fictional characters etc. that could be figured out....it would be a real page turner or give the story to one of the great spy thriller guys like Clancy.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:14 PM
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28. sibel has artfully...
told us nearly everything that she knows.

why arent Perle, Feith, Hastert in jail?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:52 PM
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32. Hmmmm......seems everything involving Israeli spying and influence, no
matter how well documented evaporates into thin air along with a few people. Move along....there is nothing to see here.
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cbears34 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:11 PM
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43. Why not?
Just picked up Prelude to Terror, by Joseph Trento. Seem's worth checking out for broader historical context, at least, for Sibel's case.

We have long had an advanced form of the mob having free reign. Why expect anything different now? Are we too idealistic?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:04 AM
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45. trento
has some very interesting things to say in KTM.

I'm not sure whether i accept then at face value, but if he is correct...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:11 AM
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47. A book needs to be published with what is known.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:23 PM
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34. Well Luke, it looks like at least Hastert may be saying "uncle" now!
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:21 PM
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35. K&R
arms crossed and feet tappin'

...exactly how much longer do we need to wait?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:16 PM
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37. deserves another kick
Just in case government corruption becomes important to the gamers.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:35 PM
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41. The Hastert Group?
How long till a new lobbying shop opens it's doors?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 04:27 PM
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36. You did good work, thanks for the thread, lukery.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 04:28 PM by Uncle Joe
:thumbsup:

Kicked and recommended.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:26 PM
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38. blm explained above: Let's see WaPo go after Hastert and the rest of Dope Inc.
...Led by BFEE Grand Master Poppy Bush.

Mehr licht, courtesy of seemslikeadream and MinstrelBoy:



What do Kissinger, Brzezinski, Cheney, Perle & Baker have in common?

They're all directors of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. (Cheney until the 2000 election. Richard Armitage, too.) Lloyd Bentson and Brent Scowcroft are also members.

Here's their website.

And what language was Sibel Edmonds' translating?

From an interview:

CD: Now I know you speak Turkish – but what else?

SE: Because of my time in Iran, I also know Farsi. And Azerbaijani.

...

CD: So you were in the first category, a full linguist?

SE: For Turkish and Azerbaijani I was, yes. But since I hadn't been practicing Farsi for practically 25 years, I was just allowed to be a monitor in that language. I passed all the FBI exams in written Farsi, but not all for speaking. So I didn't do, say, live interviews.

Whatever explosive information Sibel Edmonds uncovered in the FBI translation department, for which John Ashcroft gagged her, came in either Turkish or Azerbaijani.

About the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. Its stated goals, as posted on its website, include:

To serve as a liaison with governmental and non-governmental entities, business organizations, think tanks, and to encourage cooperation and information exchange

To sponsor educational programs, trade missions, seminars, conferences and publications to foster cultural and business interests

Now, what does this sound like, from Sibel Edmonds' interview:

CD: At several points you state that such organized crime networks employ "semi-legitimate organizations" as their point of interface with governments and the "legit" world. Can you explain exactly what you mean?

SE: These are organizations that might have a legitimate front – say as a business, or a cultural center or something. And we've also heard a lot about Islamic charities as fronts for terrorist organizations, but the range is much broader and even, simpler.

CD: For example?

SE: You might have an organization supposed to be promoting the cultural affairs of a certain country within another country. Hypothetically, say, an Uzbek folklore society based in Germany. The stated purpose would be to hold folklore-related activities – and they might even do that – but the real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal.

Sibel Edmonds has also said:

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.... I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.

SOURCE w/Mega Link City:

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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:09 PM
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42. Sometimes Justice does not take a legal form
sometimes it is a trial of popular opinion. That is why the press is so powerful about uncovering the truth and letting people know. Having the gag on everything makes it dangerous for certain information to come out. Someone could go to jail for being a good citizen. This administration has not been very friendly to whistleblowers. Whistleblowers who are the light of Democracy. The fire in the Statue of Liberty's flame. I don't care what villains are in charge of the country, God still stands for TRUTH.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:30 AM
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44. morning kick
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:54 AM
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48. Great post. DU doing what it does best.Thanks.
:)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:15 AM
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49. K&R!!!
Hey, Luke.

Good to see you still pounding away on the media. Their wall cannot withstand the truth forever!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:23 AM
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50. and Denny Hastert steppin' down
Denny, still got that suitcase FULL of cash packed, ready to leave Washington?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:10 AM
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51. IMHO if there were no credibility to the stary, then the Bushistas
would not be so anxious to silence Sibel. She is a true patriot and needs to be heard.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:42 AM
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59. my buddy Len wrote
"In My Opinion... If you have a whistleblower that the government has bent over backwards to suppress and keep quiet, and she/he makes a seemingly 'sensational' claim, your first question has to be be 'Why is the government trying to silence this person if they are just spinning conspiracy theories'?

I think most rational people would conclude, 'Because she's probably NOT spinning conspiracy theories. She's probably got the goods on somebody".

hard to argue with that.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:00 AM
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52. Easy K & R
Thanks for your perseverance in continuing to keep a fire lit under this very important story.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:03 AM
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53. K&R!
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:08 AM
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54. Link appears to be broken
The one that says "interview."
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:37 AM
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58. try this
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:13 AM
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55. I believe the fear is that her testimony & documents could bring down the U.S. government
and this is why this story will never see the light of day and everyone is scared of it!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:15 AM
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56. I believe you are correct. n/t
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:51 AM
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57. I have no hope that anyone on the inside will come public with those documents
They would have done so already.
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