The Raw Story: Old-line Republican warns 'something's in the works' to trigger a police state

[reprehensor]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html

Muriel Kane
Published: Thursday July 19, 2007

Thom Hartmann began his program on Thursday by reading from a new Executive Order which allows the government to seize the assets of anyone who interferes with its Iraq policies.

He then introduced old-line conservative Paul Craig Roberts -- a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan who has recently become known for his strong opposition to the Bush administration and the Iraq War -- by quoting the "strong words" which open Roberts' latest column: "Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."

"I don't actually think they're very strong," said Roberts of his words. "I get a lot of flak that they're understated and the situation is worse than I say. ... When Bush exercises this authority ... there's no check to it. It doesn't have to be ratified by Congress. The people who bear the brunt of these dictatorial police state actions have no recourse to the judiciary. So it really is a form of total, absolute, one-man rule. ... The American people don't really understand the danger that they face." ...

... "The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," Roberts continued. "Chertoff has predicted them. ... The National Intelligence Estimate is saying that al Qaeda has regrouped. ... You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda's not going to do it, it's going to be orchestrated. ... The Republicans are praying for another 9/11."

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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html

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An incredibly frank interview on Hartmann's show yesterday. For a taste of this interview, check out this streaming segment;
http://media.putfile.com/Paul-Craig-Roberts-warns-America-of-False-Flag-Terror

The entire first hour of Hartmann's show (featuring Roberts) is available as an archived Podcast here;
http://www.620kpoj.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=hartmann_nationwide.xml

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Hold it, according to some I am absolutely nuts

teh pattersn of history are the same as have been seen in other places

[reprehensor]

7. Ya don't say...

"10 False Flags that Changed the World"
http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/10-false-flags-that-changed-the-world/

The Nero example may be reaching, but still...

[Philosoraptor]

2. The Republicans are praying for another 9/11, drooling in fact.

[ixion]

3. hopin', prayin'.... and plannin'

There has been some very strange subtext the last week between Chertoff, Ron Paul and the NIE, etc.

Given their track record, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[C_U_L8R]

4. Another 911 will seal their fate

The republicans have been total fuckups on the "war on terror"
In fact they've been fuckups on just about everything except stuffing
their own pockets and even that they can't do well or keep very secret.
Only the most freeptarded will fall for this republican bs again.
They are fooling no one but the fools.

[liberal N proud]

10. Another 9/11 and they declare marital law

We will have bee screwed to the point of no return.

[fasttense]

11. Are they?

Then why hasn't at least the House held anyone in contempt of Congress? Why has Pelosi kept Impeachment off the table? Seems to me they are fooling our Democratic leaders.

They have gotten away with everything they have done so far. They still have their war and high oil prices. They still have their power and money. They are still in control despite the fact that the majority of Americans don't trust them. They are still torturing people. They are still killing our soldiers and millions of Iraqis. What use would be a bunch of American citizens protesting in the streets when Dicky boy says let the army (private or federal) shoot them down. Or let's say he locks up all the protesters. What are We the people going to do about it? The dancing supremes only dance for their masters. They would just follow along with their personally selected Dictator.

I can just hear the Decider. "If it weren't for the Democratic Congress standing in the way of my war on terror, we wouldn't have had another terrorist attack. If the civil rights groups had not fought me every step of the way, we would not have had another terrorist attack. And anyone who criticizes me now is aiding and abetting the terrorists."

They are very dangerous people in charge of government right now. They are not going to go away when/if we vote them out. Cheney is ruthless and unconcerned about laws or the Constitution. Rove had a 100 year plan for the repukes. He will not let it all fall apart without a whimper. They have a plan.

Bush has used every illegal power he has thus far claimed for himself. He will use this new one too.

[John Q. Citizen]

12. Every event is supposed to seal their fate. Yet it is our fate that keeps being sealed.

What you say is true, "Only the most freeptarded will fall for this republican bs again."

And that's the problem. Nobody is fooled now, but few are actually concerned or doing anything at all about it. Instead, we keep clinging to the hope that the nightmare is almost over, when in fact it is just begining.

You may have noticed that few Dem elected leaders are doing anything about the DREs, you may have noticed that few Dems are advocating impeachment, you may have noticed that few Dems are saying we need to repeal the Patriot act, you may have noticed that most people, in the face of only what can be descibed as a frontal attack on the very foundations of our constitutional democratic republic, aren't particularly concerned.

Why would the next outrage produce a different situation than the last outrage?

[cyberpj]

13. Agreed. Outrage is either smothered, ignored, threatened or swift-boated. Mos of us are too

fat and hypnotized by the infotainment industry to do anything about it. Youngsters are not threatened by a draft and do not feel the need to rise up and demonstrate. The news is either owned or cowed by politics and any political opposition appears to have been threatened - perhaps by whatever may have been learned in the free for all wire tapping by Bush pals.

We now have the answer to how so many Germans could have "let" Hitler do his thing. And by the way,just because the Iraqis are not in concentration camps doesn't mean they aren't being genocided by US tactics. We're killing them over there so we don't have to over here.

[Mandate My Ass]

16. A post that deserves its own thread

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[toddaa]

14. Elections don't matter any more to Dick Cheney

What Paul Roberts is saying is Dick Cheney isn't concerned about the upcoming election. If there is another 9/11 type event, there won't be an election. To you, Dick Cheney has been a total fuck up, but to Dick, 9/11 and the war in Iraq have been a smashing success.

[frylock]

23. hard to seal the fate of bushco when the country is in lock-down

[reprehensor]

15. "Gut-Check" Chertoff.

http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/2007/07/12/gut-check-chertoff-and-the-mississippi-dem

Some of their tummies are growling.

[Seabiscuit]

25. Repukes drool the blood of innocents.

[B Calm]

5. That would blow their tired old argument that we haven't been attacked

since 9-11... But, knowing the hypocritical cons, they would just change their argument to fit the situation...

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It took 9.11 for all this to be possible

Reichstag fire

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Definitely need to listen to it

Lord this is bad

[izzie]

9. As Bush's power goes he will get more wild I think.

These last two years will be really bad. I could see a grab for all power with these two in the WH. Chaney because he thinks he is always right and with Bush God is behind him so he is also right. Hold on to your hats people.

[WA98296]

17. This was quite the interview. A worthy read. Thanks.

[Philosoraptor]

18. .................

[seemslikeadream]

19. “Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.”

http://www.bushflash.com/14.html


War and Globalization
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&q=Hijacking+Catastrophe&total=29&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7


Hijacking Catastrophe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SltOy_F6ZII&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YlcpXBFOXA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZaWh0cJPQ&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8S_vOZqJbE&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GT7ti8LZ6A&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkOtqGNJ8qI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C02QHS0D44&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YlcpXBFOXA&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kBX00TR-aA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jghh00bn_DA&mode=related&search=


“Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.”


She's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her - to carry out her divine mission



http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/1454229

CHALMERS JOHNSON: Nemesis was the ancient Greek goddess of revenge, the punisher of hubris and arrogance in human beings. You may recall she is the one that led Narcissus to the pond and showed him his reflection, and he dove in and drowned. I chose the title, because it seems to me that she's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her -- to carry out her divine mission.

By the subtitle, I really do mean it. This is not just hype to sell books -- “The Last Days of the American Republic.” I’m here concerned with a very real, concrete problem in political analysis, namely that the political system of the United States today, history tells us, is one of the most unstable combinations there is -- that is, domestic democracy and foreign empire -- that the choices are stark. A nation can be one or the other, a democracy or an imperialist, but it can't be both. If it sticks to imperialism, it will, like the old Roman Republic, on which so much of our system was modeled, like the old Roman Republic, it will lose its democracy to a domestic dictatorship.

I’ve spent some time in the book talking about an alternative, namely that of the British Empire after World War II, in which it made the decision, not perfectly executed by any manner of means, but nonetheless made the decision to give up its empire in order to keep its democracy. It became apparent to the British quite late in the game that they could keep the jewel in their crown, India, only at the expense of administrative massacres, of which they had carried them out often in India. In the wake of the war against Nazism, which had just ended, it became, I think, obvious to the British that in order to retain their empire, they would have to become a tyranny, and they, therefore, I believe, properly chose, admirably chose to give up their empire.

As I say, they didn't do it perfectly. There were tremendous atavistic fallbacks in the 1950s in the Anglo, French, Israeli attack on Egypt; in the repression of the Kikuyu -- savage repression, really -- in Kenya; and then, of course, the most obvious and weird atavism of them all, Tony Blair and his enthusiasm for renewed British imperialism in Iraq. But nonetheless, it seems to me that the history of Britain is clear that it gave up its empire in order to remain a democracy. I believe this is something we should be discussing very hard in the United States





07/19/07 - Thom Hartmann National
Thom Hartmann's National Radio Show - 7/19/07 ::: Hour 1 w/ former Reagan Administration official Paul Craig Roberts - a conservative IN FAVOR of impeachment.

http://www.620kpoj.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=hartmann_nationwide.xml

[conspirator]

22. After watching the 2nd video it becomes clear why they are moving the capital of the empire

to dubai

[seemslikeadream]

20. DeFazio denied access plans for after a terror attack

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/118489654058910.xml&coll=7

DeFazio asks, but he's denied access
Classified info - The congressman wanted to see government plans for after a terror attack Friday, July 20, 2007JEFF KOSSEFF The Oregonian Staff
WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.

As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.

On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.

"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio says.

Homeland Security Committee staffers told his office that the White House initially approved his request, but it was later quashed. DeFazio doesn't know who did it or why.

"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."

Bush administration spokesman Trey Bohn declined to say why DeFazio was denied access: "We do not comment through the press on the process that this access entails. It is important to keep in mind that much of the information related to the continuity of government is highly sensitive."

Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee.

"I find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.

This is the first time DeFazio has been denied access to documents. DeFazio has asked Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., to help him access the documents.

"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio said.

[seemslikeadream]

21. top legal scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute

http://www.koin.com/Global/story.asp?S=6818152

A top legal scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute says he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to classified material for a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee.

[nam78_two]

24. Kick.nt

[Seabiscuit]

26. One of these days DU could be shut down and anyone protesting that event

will be "rendered" to Egypt, Syria, Turkey, wherever the CIA can eliminate you, silence you, and slowly torture you to death.

You don't think it can happen? It's already happening to countless innocent people.

[liberalla]

27. I heard this show with Paul Craig Roberts, and it scared me all

over again. I spent much of 2004 and 2005 feeling terrified of what these people (neocons) were doing, and what I feared their ultimate goal might be. Then the fear seemed to recede, or maybe I became accustomed to it. This interview had my full attention. I could not leave my car. It was chilling. Thom Hartmann kept asking him to stay for another segment. It was powerful. I am truly worried about these coming 18 months, until Jan. 21, 2009. I won't relax until I know they are out of power. Even then, we'll need to be vigilant.

[bobthedrummer]

28. .