Truth is scarier than fiction. Sometimes.

[Mythsaje]

They want to control what we see, what we hear, what we read.

They've already managed to gain control of the television (as if they didn't always have it). They've dominated the radio airwaves for years now, only recently losing some ground to Air America and its imitators.

Only the web has given us the ability to remain free for all to speak our minds, and, if they had their way, they'd screw that up as well.

Now folks are afraid that BushCo is about to pull a coup for real, to declare martial law and leave us with little recourse against them. Declare martial law, suspend the elections, and go after anyone brave enough to challenge their bid for ultimate power.

Umm, okay.

Has anyone else caught onto the fact that this bunch has the tactical and strategic skills of a pack of lemmings? Any decent group of table-top gamers with 1/10th the resources could have accomplished 100 times as much?

When the whole NOLA thing went down, I made a similar comment. Me and my friends, given even a couple of million dollars, could have done astounding things to alleviate the suffering there. Had I already become a rich and famous author, I would've spent my own money to do it without a second's hesitation.

Tactically it would be stupid for them to risk a THIRD or (possibly) FOURTH front in their global war by trying to take on the United States as well. Sure, there are plenty of people who'd barely blink and go on with their lives as if nothing had happened, but there are a LOT of people, ranging from "anarchists" to militia members who'd go straight over the edge if they tried it.

That's not to say they won't. But I'm not sure they're actually that stupid. Crazy as a shithouse rat, perhaps, but crazy and stupid aren't necessarily inclusive. As super-villains go, Kommander Krazy and The Grimace are formidable, but hardly up to the standards of the likes of Dr. Doom or even Dr. Impossible.

They DON'T control Iraq. They DON'T control Afghanistan. They DON'T control the United States, though they'd like to think so. They most DEFINITELY don't control Iran.

Hell, they don't even control our borders worth a damn. What do you want to bet that if they DID declare martial law, thousands would be streaming over into Canada and (ironically enough) Mexico before the ink dried on the proclamation?

And those would be just those who weren't willing to fight about it.

I don't think they'll do it. I may be naive (as my wife suggests) but I'm not sure they're up to the challenge. And it would be a particularly onerous challenge considering that a sizeable portion of the troops they'd need to maintain order here are presently in Iraq.

Kommander Krazy and The Grimace are evil, without a doubt. They're super-villains on a quest for world domination, without a doubt. Competent? That's questionable.

For more on KK and The Grimace, see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1380646&mesg_id=1380646

I refuse to cower in fear from these yahoos. I just won't do it. It doesn't make me a super-hero. Just a real American.

edited because I just can't help the typos today.

[texpatriot2004]

1. Whether they would or whether they wouldn't, I believe that is a

story that doesn't need to happen. I prefer to envision them being impeached very soon.

I mean, if thoughts are things and what you think about you bring about and if what you resist persists...

well, as an American, I prefer to choose hope, even a tiny sliver of it, even if this criminal cabal is terrorizing Americans, "there is always hope" as Gandalf said in LOTR when doom was certainly upon them, "there is always hope."

[Mythsaje]

2. Me too...

No doubt about it.

[texpatriot2004]

4. That is good to know. I don't underestimate them, I probably

cannot imagine the things that they would actually do (thankfully). I am aware of the things they have done and that is bad enough.

I just struggle with choosing to be hopeful and not fearful to imagine the best possible outcome for this Country and its people.

"Imagination is more important than intellect" wasn't that Albert Einstein?

[John Q. Citizen]

3. I want some evidence of this:

"Has anyone else caught onto the fact that this bunch has the tactical and strategic skills of a pack of lemmings? Any decent group of table-top gamers with 1/10th the resources could have accomplished 100 times as much?"

Did they get Amricans to go along with attacking Iraq? No, because they are too incompetent.

Did they get Americans to give the wealthiest 2% a huge tax break? No, too dumb to pull it off.

Did they get Americans to give up their constitutional rights? This bunch of bozos?

Have they been held accountable in any form for any of these things? Yeah they are all in jail. criminals are dumb.

I rest my case.

[southerncrone]

5. The incompetency only applies to stuff WE want. They are very skillful at achieving their desires!

[Mythsaje]

7. Really?

Do you really think they intended to tie up most of the U.S. military for an indeterminate amount of time? To what end?

[John Q. Citizen]

10. Because they want perpetual war. You never read Brave New World,

Faranhiet 9/11, 1984?

War is big money. They are making big money. They are stupid all the way to the bank.

By the way, you never told me who controls Iraqs oil. I'd be interested in your analysis.

[Mythsaje]

13. At the moment, no one really does.

How much are they pumping right now? Tell me that.

Perpetual war only works if you have an infinite number of soldiers and unlimited equipment.

They don't.

[BeHereNow]

9. Furthermore, they control the banks.

Wanna eat?
Too bad about your frozen bank account.
Do as we say or starve.
BHN

[Mythsaje]

14. Effective ONLY if we allow them to get rid of paper currency...

Otherwise all they'll be doing is allowing an underground economy to flourish.

[BeHereNow]

16. What do you mean, "If we allow them?"

How much do you know about fiat currency?
The currency belongs to the PTB. It is on loan
to us, with interest- they can pull it any time they damned well please!
BHN

[Mythsaje]

17. And crash the economy...

Now THERE'S a great idea.

:sarcasm:

[BeHereNow]

18. I hate to tell you, but that is exactly the plan.

Has been for decades.
If you want to know why, read this:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Trilateralism/Trilateralism_overview.html

Restructuring of wealth as in the rich get richer and the poor
are more manageable is the plan.

To quote Paul Volcker,
"The standard of the average American has to decline."

And it will.


BHN

[Mythsaje]

19. The Trilateral Commission?

The last person to throw that at me was a White Supremicist. This, as you might imagine, isn't good company to be in.

[BeHereNow]

20. The Trilateral Commission has nothing to do with White Supremacy.

If a such a person "threw" it at you, as far as I know,
the organization is readily available for any one to research.

Until you actually do research it yourself, perhaps you should
not be so narrow in your thinking?

Its membership includes just about every global
elitist you have ever heard of, and many you will
never hear of. There are several good books on the
TC. I highly recommend Holly Sklar.

If you would take the time to read the link
I provided, perhaps then we could continue the
discussion with similar understanding of the
organization and the role it plays in global
economics- however, if you want to simply
cast it off as a CT or a WS cult because you have not
done any research, then perhaps the discussion
is over?

BHN

[Mythsaje]

23. That color scheme makes my eyes hurt...

Why is it that conspiracy sites are ALWAYS done in such repulsive color combinations?

[BeHereNow]

27. Why is it that people who are too lazy to read scholarly works dismiss them as CT?

For your information, Holly Sklar is a respected investigative journalist and author.

Her Bio from Znet:
"Holly Sklar is a longtime journalist and activist. Holly Sklar's previous works include:
The Perils of the Growing American Wealth, Gap Chaos or Community, Streets of Hope:
The Fall and Rise of an Urban Neighborhood (co-authored)
and Trilateralism: The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management,
the far-reaching book that foretold the New World Order.
She is a columnist for Z Magazine and has contributed to numerous
books and periodicals, including The Nation, the Philadelphia Inquirer and USA Today."

FYI- there are many respected scholars who have written about the Trilateral Commission.
None of them are considered CTs.

You are just lazy and would rather simply dismiss the work of repected authors
as CT than use a dictionary to understand what they have written.

You think the New World Order is CT?
Think again, or better yet, read something other than "People Magazine."

BHN

[southerncrone]

11. OK, here are a few:

1. Lining the SCOTUS w/ultra conservative judges.

2. Manipulating, Rigging, & Stealing elections

3. Smearing decent people for their own gain

4. Tricking lawmakers into going to a war that is senseless based on thier lies to line the pockets of themselves & their cronies.

5. Changing regulations to fit their lurid plans of domination.

Just a few...

[Mythsaje]

15. The SCOTUS thing is bad...

The rest of it is transitory. And I'm not sure about the SCOTUS thing either. From my perspective it's fruit of a poison tree and therefore invalid.

But, admittedly, that's my perspective.

There's no way to win long-term here.

[Mythsaje]

6. The ONLY thing they've managed

with any degree of skill was manipulating public opinion by using their contacts in the media.

Otherwise they've been an abject failure at everything else. They wanted control of Iraq's oil? They don't have it. They wanted Bin Laden? (ostensibly) They don't have him. If they were chess players, they'd get their asses kicked by the average 12 year old. They don't think ahead worth a damn. No exit strategy in case things went wrong in Iraq. No way to deal with the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

I'm telling you, they're tactically and strategic morons. Or close enough. You don't have to take on a whole goddam country to take out a leader. You just have to think long-range and actually PLAN something past the "hoo-hah!" stage.

Sure, in terms of disseminating disinformation, they're pretty good. But in anything else, they can barely tie their own shoes.

As super-villains go, they're on the level of Dr. Evil.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Well answer me this:

Who controls Iraqs oil?

Why would they want Bin Ladin? He's been very useful as a boogy man, and still is.

Are you saying the Dems have check mated bush? When? Where?

You think that bush is opposed to perpetual war? Just because you are?

You are confusing your goals with PNAC's goals. They aren't the same.

If they are in such trouble, why are they still running everything?

[Mythsaje]

12. Right now no one controls the oil.

They can't even GET to it without something exploding.

And, yeah, Bin Laden is a good boogeyman, but, hey, when it comes right down to it, anyone would work just as well. If they could catch him they could yell "success!" and just fabricate another threat (maybe his #2 guy?) and go on about their business.

We can't go around acting like they're evil geniuses. They're not. And the only way the PNAC's goals are being met is if they WANTED the region completely de-stabilized. From what I've read of it, they wanted control of the region, something they're not going to get THIS way. THAT particular goal is getting farther away by the minute.

If anyone up there actually thinks they can take on Iran and win, considering Iran is going to be a heck of a lot tougher than Iraq ever was, they're smoking something WORSE than crack.

My goals have nothing to do with it. MY goals would be to sink the U.S.S. Corporate Monster with a well-placed salvo straight through its midsection. I KNOW they're not pursuing THAT goal.

But as far as THEIR goals. Let's see. They're NOT winning in Iraq. They're NOT winning in Afghanistan. So far they've hung Saddam Hussein, who was a two-bit dictator THEY created. They'd LIKE to attack Iran, but that's just another example of how fucking stupid they really are. They control the American Media, but even THAT hasn't kept Bush's poll numbers from plummeting like a cannonball dropped from a castle wall.

Their media has tried to keep the word "impeachment" from reaching the public, or, at the very least, tried to keep it from gaining any momentum, but, well, momentum is building.

Like any wounded beast, they're dangerous. But that's about as much credit as I'm going to give them. They certainly haven't earned any more than that.

[Occulus]

21. K&R'd

If for nothing else than making me bust out laughing over the tabletop gaming reference, you deserve it for that.

Me and my friends, given even a couple of million dollars, could have done astounding things to alleviate the suffering there.

I've often thought the same thing, and than I thought, "how?"

How might one go about this? I'm only curious.

[Mythsaje]

24. Charter a few helicopters

several boats, and a couple of planes. Appeal to the public (and corporate America) for donations of drinkable water, food, and negotiate with a porta-potty company for promotion rights for bringing their products into the area, then use the planes, boats, and helicopters to deliver the goods to any place where people were congregating.

Lift out any who were seriously injured or ill, take others out by boat, and simply keep those who were in good shape well stocked with food and potable water until FEMA could get off its ass and do its job.

I'm not the best at organizing. Tactics are my forte. I'd've brought my Mother-In-Law and conscripted my wife to do all the negotiating unless it needed a more diplomatic touch, at which point I would've brought in a very good friend and former protege who could, most likely, talk a snake into buying six pairs of Air Jordans.

Where I think gamers excel is evaluating resources, taking stock of the abilities of each team member, and putting them together to come up with a workable plan in a relatively short time.

:)

[Swamp Rat]

22. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes.

Make that most of the time for FUX Noise viewers.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

25. I'm convinced the majority of Americans wouldn't mind living in a dictatorship

as long as they could keep their creature comforts, their reality TV shows, porn, sports, fast food, nice cars, shopping malls, beer. Not even half of us vote in elections anymore and many of those who do vote do not care about the week-to-week details of politics. Of course it wouldn't be called a dictatorship. The American people would be fed the perfect Madison Avenue rationale why it is necessary for certain civil liberties and Constitutional provisions to be suspended for awhile, like elections.

I'm not saying that Bush will proclaim himself a dictator. As insanely radical as his administration is, like the OP, I'm not totally convinced that he would do that. But even if he did, I just don't think the average American would take to the streets and risk his life over it, as long as he could keep his day-to-day comforts of life.

[Mythsaje]

26. But there are a LOT of well-armed people

who would.

And a lot of people who'd sympathize even if they didn't get directly involved.