Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!!!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:06 PM
Original message
CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!!!
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 12:56 PM by Texas Explorer

World Oil Forecast Update



http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2716#more

Executive Summary



  1. World total liquids supply production (Fig 1) remains on a peak plateau since 2006 and is forecast to fall off this peak plateau in 2009. As long as demand continues increasing then prices will also continue increasing.


  2. Forecast world crude oil and lease condensate (C&C) production retains its 2005 peak (Fig 2). The forecast to 2100 shows declining C&C production, using a bottom up forecast to 2012 (Fig 3). The forecast to 2012 shows a 1%/yr decline rate to 2009, followed by a 4%/yr decline rate to 2012.


  3. World oil discovery rates peaked in 1965 (Fig 4) and production has exceeded discovery for every year since the mid 1980s. Discoverable reserves in giant fields also peaked during the mid 1960s (Fig 5). The time lag between world peak discovery in 1965 and world peak production in 2005 of 40 years is similar to the time lag of 42 years for the USA Lower 48 (Fig 6).


  4. World C&C year on year production changes to March 2007 and April 2007 (Figs 7,8) show significant declines for Mexico, North Sea and Saudi Arabia; significant increases for Russia, Azerbaijan and Angola. As Russia is likely to be on a production plateau and Saudi Arabia has probably passed peak production, the world C&C production will continue to decline slowly.


  5. Key producer Saudi Arabia recently released an updated project schedule which does not show originally scheduled expansions of Shaybah phase 2, 0.25 mbd and Al Khafji Neutral Zone, 0.30 mbd. Consequently, it is now almost a certainty that Saudi Arabia passed peak C&C production of 9.6 mbd in 2005 (Figs 9,10).


  6. World natural gas plant liquids is forecast to increase due to new OPEC projects (Fig 11). World ethanol and XTL production is forecast to double by 2012 (Fig 12). World processing gains are forecast to decline slowly to 2012 (Fig 13).


Here are a couple of graphs of the research results:



Here is the production forecast:



Some bad news (Oil production stagnant and headed for 5%/yr decline rates vs. 2.5%/yr increase in demand )
+
Some bad news (ethanol production, therefore the cost of food, is up)
=
What George Carlin said, re: Global Warming, can also be said for the fuel of civilization: "The planet is fine. The people are fucked."

Amen to that, George. Amen.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
1. WE MUST ACT NOW!!!
ADDENDUM TO OP:

Not a SINGLE response to this post. NOT ONE!?!

I caught this as it had sunk to Page 2. It was titled "World Oil Forecast Update". I changed the title in order to get your attention.

When I was composing this post, I suspected it was probably an excercise in futility. You see, I've been viewing this community as rather enlightened with regard to the current state of our energy resources. However, as time goes on, I've begun to realize that the psychological impact of realizing that our way of life is non-sustainable is just too much for most to take, including DUers. Nobody wants to even think about it, much less see it laid out right in front of them and then have a meaningful discussion.

And, that's why energy depletion is going to KILL EVERY GODDAMNED ONE OF US! WE MUST ACT NOW!!!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
profgoose Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. pretty amazing isn't it?
TexEx,

You see the problem. This is difficult information. It's what we run into all of the time at The Oil Drum...

But thanks for your efforts to spread around our work. Much appreciated.

PG
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Sleepwalking into the future
That's as apt a description as I've heard for level of denial among policy makers and the general public alike. People believe (like children) that things are going to keep going on the way "they always have."

A lot of folks are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the coming decade....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. Welcome to DU profgoose.
Hope you spread more of this information to our community.
Unfortunately, the people who really need to know
are all shopping for more stuff...:sarcasm:

:hi: :yourock:

BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Oh, some of us are acting
I've known about this for about 3 years now, and I have my fall-back plans pretty well worked out for when (not if) we enter then next Great Depression. I've tried telling my friends and family about what's coming, but they mostly ignore me and keep driving their SUV's. There's not much left that I can do to help others prepare, so all I can do is make a plan to help myself, my girlfriend and my closest family members.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jemmons Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. It might also be because even people with no insight to the oil
business can se that we are not going to fall off a cliff on this one. When prices on oil goes up, not only will you have more alternative energy sources becoming economically feasible, but you will also se more oil being produces from places otherwise not interesting. The kind of oil production that we were used to the for many years might not be around the corner, but there is not really a lack of energy. Just not an abundance of the cheap energy that lead to the wasteful consumption that we have seen for decades now.

And something else: If prices on food goes up because of farmers producing ethanol, it might just be a great thing for the farmers of this world - they will have a better market for their products.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
22. To me it comes down to population
If world population keeps growing at its current rate, everything else is just rearranging chairs on the Titanic. We'll eventually run out of everything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
3. Not news to me...
see my sig line. read and learn, naysayers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
4. So what are you doing about this?
We're not going to get any help on this from our government or corporate America. They'll go for some short term, feel good measure, but they're not going to make the real hard changes that need to be made until it is too late. Thus it is up to us, each and every single one, to do as much as we can to change this situation. If you own your own home, put up solar or wind to power your house. Drive either high mpg vehicles or diesel vehicles, running on biodiesel. Conserve in a myriad of different ways around your house. Buy food from local, organic producers or grow your own. These are things that we can all do, in fact we all need to do in this era of ever scarcer oil.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
5. no, just the source of energy is.
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 02:12 PM by Odin2005
I get annoyed by the "Doomers," that is, the folks you think that PO will result in us going back to a pre-industrial society. We can have an advanced society without using fossil fuels.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. A supply/demand differential of only 5% caused what
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 02:48 PM by Texas Explorer
we experienced in the oil embargoes of the '70s. People asked: "So what if the Ay-rabs won't send us oil. Why can't we just use our own oil?"

It was because the US could no longer PRODUCE ENOUGH OIL TO SUSTAIN OUR WAY OF LIFE. And our way of life is based on continuing economic GROWTH. The embargoes exposed the fact that production of oil in the US had PEAKED and was on the decline...and it still is declining.

If we lose 5% of today's production, it would have a profoundly deveastating impact on our daily existance. And we're on course to lose that 5% in just a couple of years. Meanwhile demand will continue it's merciless climb up the consumption graphs.

It's very simple. The energy and capital invested in extracting oil will soon overtake the energy and profit contained in that oil once it's extracted. That means that despite what may still be in the ground, obtaining it would represent a net loss.

Which means NO MORE OIL! And without oil, our way of life in unsustainable.

PERIOD!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Sure, we 'could' have an advanced society without petroleum, but we won't
Just like we 'could' feed all the hungry people in the world, but we don't.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:46 PM
Response to Original message
8. Soon I suspect Antartica will open to exploration.
And the artic? Well, global warming is a boom for norther oil exploration!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
9. *golf clap for you just finding out*
Good job
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
13. and the answer to everyone's problem
HEMP.



And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land.

-- Ezekiel 34/29
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Hence your nick, I presume? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
16. I note that the oil ppb is already off significantly
A barrel of oil already costs substantially more than the chart predicts it should at this date. I expect that trend will continue well into the future.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
17. The evidence agrees. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
18. Good - civilization is a little FU'd anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
19. That's why part of the strategy behind the war effort may be to....
significantly reduce portions of the world population.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
20. K&R
so more folks will see this article.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:28 PM
Response to Original message
21. The sky is falling! Be Afraid! BE AFRAID!
:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. No, just be aware. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 02:26 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC