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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:48 AM
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If Tony Snow has months to live, he should quit his job and come to terms with his lies.
He should not go toward death lying and lying and lying and lying.

That can't be healthy.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:50 AM
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1. But, I always thought Tony thrived on lying...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:51 AM
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3. We'll see how well he thrives.
A year from now.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:51 AM
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2. The pre-Rove strategist that created the Willie Horton ad came to terms - b4 dying of brain cancer
Oh so I heard. Someone will know who I mean... he was a big time republican stragists. Died young, in early 40s.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:52 AM
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5. Lee Atwater.
The story is he was sorry for all the shit he did.

Little Georgie Bush looked up to Atwater till then.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:00 AM
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8. Thanks.... He was the pre-Rove scum bucket.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:52 AM
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4. Who in their right mind would continue shilling for those nitwits
in their last few days on this earth? It's truly pathetic.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:53 AM
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6. When someone
truly believes in an ideal they do not believe they are lying. I am sure the freepers think we are lying to ourselves but that is not how I feel. I guess it all about point of view.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:58 AM
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7. I think he knows it's his job to lie.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/09/snow-mission-accomplished/

QUESTION: Tony, this goes to your previous acknowledgment that the president is aware of public anxiety about the situation in Iraq.

What would your guidance be to a public that has seen the president stand under a mission accomplished banner, proclaim an end to major combat operations, a vice president talking about the last throes? How should the public go into viewing this speech tomorrow?

SNOW: I think the public ought to just listen to what the president has to say.

You know that the mission accomplished banner was put up by members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, and the president, on that very speech, said just the opposite, didn’t he?

He said it was the end of major combat operations, but he did not say it was the end of operations. Instead, he cautioned people at the time that there would be considerable continued violence in Iraq and that there would be continued operations for a long period of time.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:04 AM
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9. I think
at the time Bush actually believed that. It is that same cockyness(is that a word) that keeps us in Iraq.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:06 AM
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10. I think Bush didn't think about anything past the next Fox News broadcast.
He thought everyone had the same lame attention span he has.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:22 AM
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14. Bush
is a legend in is own mind. And I truly believe that he does not feel as what he is saying are lies. Just twisted.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:14 AM
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11. We should lay off Tony, but he should lay off us. Tony, go rest. nt
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:19 AM
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12. He thrives on Power with disregard to the truth
The truth has no meaning for his reality, except for friendship
his lies have reinforced his reality,
that power has become the ultimate equalizer
to decide if he is right or wrong in his smack.

He talks smack, always have, a conservative intellectual that has lost
his moral bering. He still maintains even death his undying loyalty
to a reality that everyone can see is bullshit.

His health, I think, will not be a Lance Armstrong of pedaling for this administration

Plays a mean flute, but that is also a curious psychological musical instrument
to choose.

Sorta of like a Jethro Tull who was a conservative whose best song was
aqualung that described his philosophy
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:21 AM
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13. I've been so engaged in the Vitter story...
I've missed what's going on with Snow.

I know he had cancer. Has there been news of his prognosis? Is he not doing too well?

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:26 AM
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15. When I looked all I could find was this
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/10/usnews/whispers/main3040835.shtml

Jul 10, 2007
(US News) White House Press Secretary Tony Snow is telling friends that he has a very good shot at winning his second bout with cancer.

He's even boasting that he has a better chance this time than he did when he was first diagnosed with colon cancer.

For now, he's still undergoing chemotherapy every other Friday, and that wears him down.

But we're assured that he'll be there for the grand opening of the renovated White House briefing room July 12.



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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:27 AM
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16. I read here on DU yesterday that he's allegedly been given months to live.
I don't know if it's accurate because I haven't seen it anywhere else. But just the fact that he survived cancer (if he survived) should have been enough to make him want to leave the phony world of politics and get closer to the real world, which he should now know he can leave at any instant.

(I hope our friend Mr. Bolen now knows that and will take appropriate actions as soon as the first opportunity arises.)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:38 AM
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19. Doncha know it.
It forced a profound change in my father's priorities.

(And I haven't heard back from my PM to Mr. B. I hope that he's logged off DU and is already doing what one should do in those circumstances. I'm not convinced...)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:41 AM
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21. I do,.
(I hope Mr. B isn't one of those stoics who thinks he can just push through. I've known a few of those in my time as well.)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:44 AM
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22. Yeah...me too.
Aren't many of them around any longer to tell their stories.

:(

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:24 AM
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30. Yeah, and how reliable is THAT story?
Besides, I mistrust any story that someone has been "given" months to live. Disease is not like being sentenced to death. Doctors can't "give" anyone "months to live." They can estimate how much time a person may have left, but ultimately it's only a guess and is always subject to the way things happen to play out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:28 AM
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17. But it may be easier than dealing.
I don't know if I would do better. That whole soul searching thing might be overrated.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:39 AM
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20. I was watching an interview with the author of Cancer Vixen this evening
Someone Acocella--I can't remember her first name--Marina, maybe--who not so long ago was a sort of Candace Bushnell of the New Yorker cartoon world. Then she was diagnosed with breast cancer and her editor, after expressing concern, asked if she would do "four panels" on it. And from that sprang a project to record her experience through her chosen medium. She said that after her diagnosis, she and her fiance prepared a simple pasta dish and to this day, she can recall the flavor and texture of every bite. It was the most delicious meal she's ever eaten, she said.

In my experience, this is a very typical reaction to a cancer diagnosis. (I haven't received one, but both of my parents did.)

I can't believe life wouldn't come into sharper focus for you, sfexpat. I can understand that impulse to bury the head in work of some kind to channel the thoughts away from mortality, though. But I have a feeling I would be far too distracted to focus on anything as absurd as work.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:44 AM
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23. The problem I may be having is my mom has been very thoughtfully
preparing for a while now. And, that's going to be about as hard as things get. As difficult as acceptance is to reach for, anyway.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:36 AM
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32. I'm so sorry to hear that .
I know every death, like every person, is different.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:03 PM
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35. Life is life. My mom is doing a wonderful job of minding
this moment of her own. I hope I can do as well. :)
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:37 AM
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18. Well, that's not for us to say. Maybe he'll have one of those moments...
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 01:38 AM by Hekate
...like Lee Atwater who died of a brain tumor saying his mea culpas. Or maybe Tony Snowjob will simply soldier on believing the end justifies the means, still slurping the Kool-ade till the very end.

Hekate

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:47 AM
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24. I bet he'd feel a whole lot better if he just admitted to everything he knows about the Bushler
administration during a press conference... which would be his last.

If anything, it might clear up some of these horizontal lines. :)


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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:21 AM
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25. his death will be hideous
and his family will suffer greatly
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 03:01 AM
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26. Perhaps he does not believe in an afterlife
(he would not be the first Bushevik to put on a fake display of piety)

Or perhaps, he is a true Right-Wing Authoritarian Follower in that his mind is so compartmentalized, he can still disconnect from the many lies he tells as a matter of course, and easily rationalize them away as part of the "necessary evil" of the War on Terror and Bringing the Country into Line.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:01 AM
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27. I hope he lies his way right straight to repiggy Hell!
The same hell that the two Jerrys just landed in.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:04 AM
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28. Why?
He has lied all his life!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:05 AM
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29. I'm Out Of The Loop. Has There Been Some New News On his Condition? (nt)
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:31 AM
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31. No. Just unscientific speculation by some DUers
offering us their prognosis based on how Tony appears to them on tv.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1346690
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:44 AM
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33. My understanding is that the prognosis for treatment is good-to-fair
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 06:44 AM by Bucky
The cancer metastasized, but the treatment is going well (though it will obviously take its toll on his appearance). I personally hope he lives a long long time and comes to see what a terrible thing he's helped to foster onto the nation and the world.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:46 AM
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34. I wish Tony the best, even though I can't stand the guy.
Re the original point of the post, a person should be able to do whatever they want in their final days, even if it includes being a lying sack of diaper stuff.
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