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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:39 PM
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In Defense of Rep. Keith Ellison, an open letter to Abe Foxman
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 09:09 PM by reprehensor
Dear Mr. Foxman,

Regarding your statement about Rep. Keith Ellison, I must say that it is mostly wrongheaded, and probably fueled by a desire to "catch the wave" of publicity generated by the dissemination of Ellison's remarks.

To begin with, when you say that Ellison's remarks regarding the Reichstag Fire and the events of 9/11 are outrageous and offensive to all Americans, you're way off base.

In fact, carefully conducted polls of American residents, (if not all of them citizens), show a deep skepticism regarding the events of 9/11. This is only logical following the fraudulent entry into Iraq, the whitewash known as the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States", the outing of CIA agents detailed to track WMDs, the purging of lawyers disloyal to the regime, rampant election fraud, the dismemberment of the Constitution, and the cold-blooded murder of the Bill of Rights. (And you do remember habeas corpus, don't you?)

The presence of Americans in Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with the "War on Terror". "Good Germans", like present "Good Americans", loyally marched to the call of their leader. As loyal German soldiers sat in the freezing cold around Stalingrad, I'm sure that they were wondering just what they hell they were there for. As loyal American soldiers watch highly paid mercenaries act with impunity in the streets and alleys of Baghdad, I'm sure some of them wonder the exact same thing.

According to reporting by Seymour Hersh, covert operations undertaken by this administration are fueling "al Qaeda linked groups". How duplicitous is that? Now, Americans not only have to fight the war on terror, they have to fund it, both sides!

I have a pretty good understanding of what the Nazis were up to in WWII, and it is not outrageous to compare the tens of thousands of deaths of Iraqi citizens after an illegal invasion, and the beginning stages of the wholesale slaughter of millions by Nazi Germany and her Axis allies, which included European Jewry, any Slavs that stood their ground, Poles, Russians, and on and on...

May I recommend that you pick up a copy of the book "9/11 and American Empire Vol. II: Christians, Jews & Muslims Speak Out" so that you can get up to speed with 9/11 skepticism, and not sound so ridiculous.

(emailed to the ADL, 7/18/2007)
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:01 PM
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1. Most excellent reply to the profiteers of hate, the ADL. K&R eom
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:56 PM
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2. K*R Ellison just told the truth. The governance model now is fascism.

I'm glad Ellison said what he said. I'm sick and tired of people pretending everything is just
OK. It doesn't matter what Foxman's position is, he should well recognize the illegalities, lies,
the torture, the violence, the death that is visited upon this country and the world by the most
corrupt government ever.

Here's one for the doubters... Gore told us we live under tyranny, that a special prosecutor needed
to be put in place to investigate the president's complicity in crimes against the country, that
we were all subject to surveilance and that the WH actions were an attack on the constitution.



Read about it here

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00122.htm

and the speech here

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00121.htm

Ellison is just telling us what we know already. Let those with ears here, with eyes see!

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:10 AM
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3. Bush like Hitler? No - you don't say!
America 2007 Is Germany 1930

Norman D. Livergood

We who live in the post-World War II period possess an immensely valuable symbol, even if we don't understand it or use it effectively: the example of Nazi Germany.

"The German experiment, except to those who are its victims, is particularly interesting, and, like the offer of a strong man to let himself be vivisected, should make a great contribution to political science. For the Germans are the most gifted and most highly educated people who ever devoted the full strength of a modern state to stopping the exchange of ideas; they are the most highly organized people who ever devoted all the coercive power of government to the abolition of their own intellectual life; they are the most learned people who ever pretended to believe that the premises and the conclusion of all inquiry may be fixed by political fiat."

Walter Lippmann. (1936), The Good Society

An Unknown Episode In American History

Nazi Germany was created by the criminal cabal that currently rules the United States and much of the world. One of the early underlings of this cabal was Prescott Bush, Dubya's grandfather. Prescott Bush was a director of the Union Banking Corporation, which the U.S. government took over in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corporation stock shares, all of which were owned by E. Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Prescott Bush.

President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the Thyssen family of Germany and/or Hungary, nationals of a designated enemy country

This act by the U.S. government made it clear that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corporation were in essence front men for the Nazis. By keeping news of this seizure quiet, the American government avoided the more important issue: in what way were Hitler and his Nazi cohorts set up, armed, and supported by the New York and London cartel of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager?

On Oct. 28, 1942, the U.S. government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on November 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.

These were actions taken by the U.S. government during wartime, but Prescott Bush and his collaborators had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany. Harriman, Bush and the other cabal puppets had financed the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S. They had also helped in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with the slave labor and extermination camps as the result.

The cabal that controls America has moved as rapidly as possible to bring about the same conditions of dictatorship and fascism in the U.S. as it did in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The first major thrust toward fascism began during the Bush takeover of the Reagan presidency. During Bush Senior's (second) presidency he pulled off the Iran-Contra drugs-for-weapons crime, the savings-and-loan heist, the illegal use of U.S. military force to protect Bush's criminal collaboration with Manuel Noriega, his man in Panama, and many other crimes of state.

http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm


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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:50 AM
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4. The boys are well known for false flag operations
It has been part of the playbook for a long time. Funding both sides of a conflict is also an oft used tactic. They profit from War.

During the Russo-Japanese War, Krupp sold arms to both sides of the conflict, knowing that, regardless of who won, there would be a profit.

It's all about money. WWII would have ended sooner than it did but elements within the German Military-Industrial complex and the NAZI party wanted more time to loot the German Treasury and dispose of booty from the conquered territories and dispose of the proceeds into Swiss and other banks.

It's the same gang of pirates that are looting the US Treasury today.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 08:01 PM
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12. The Reagan administration didn't even ATTEMPT to conceal the fact
they were funding both sides of the Iran/Iraq War back in the 1980s...
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:04 AM
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5. Foxman's "sensitivity" is extremely selective. Rummy talking Blitzkrieg was fine
with him. Only Dems, progressives seem to cross his threashold. Nothing but a freeper - a real shame misusing us and history for his little political games. The whole organization needs a serious fumigation!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:19 AM
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6. Foxman has been shilling for policies of war and militarism long enough
However, I do believe, like I am nearly sure Ellison does, that the planes were indeed hijacked by Muslim extremists, probably connected with Osama Bin Laden. That part of the story i think is correct. I even believe that one of the hijacked airplanes crashed into the pentagon.

What is wrong is its use these despicable acts of terror to justify war and terror in US policy.
The policies Foxman has promoted time and time again.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:33 PM
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8. Had you considered this?...
that the so-called Muslim extremists had been manipulated ito staging the attack and the way was cleared for them to strike by disabling the mechanisms that might have prevented it?

It wouldn't be the first time that reactionary right-wing elements in society manipulated a group to their own ends.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:38 PM
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10. You are quite right, but most people are entire unaware of this aspect of history.
It wouldn't be the first time that reactionary right-wing elements in society manipulated a group to their own ends.

Unfortunately the corporate whore media does a good job of keeping the peons in the dark as to the dirty tricks their "intelligence" services and their military will get up to when they think they can get away with it.

For instance, during the cold war under Operation Gladio intelligence services of the West worked with far right fascists to infiltrate left wing groups and to organize terror attacks in several Western European countries which were then quickly blamed on leftist radicals or subversive communists by the media and government. The idea was to discredit left wing and communist politicans to prevent them from winning elections.

A Swiss historian, Daniele Ganser, wrote a book about this false flag, terror operation NATO's Secret Army: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe.


In his book “NATO’s Secret Armies Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe” (2005),(1) the Swiss researcher Daniele Ganser at the Centre for Security Studies in Zürich charted the secret armed organisations, known as “stay behind” organisations or “Operation Gladio,” (sword). These groups, established during the Cold War by NATO and the CIA in every Western European country, were charged with forming underground resistance movements against the Soviet Union in the event of an invasion. These armed organisations were beyond parliamentary control in several countries and often recruited members from the extreme-right. They were coordinated by NATO’s Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) and Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC). The codenames of the groups varied from country to country. The organisations could be called SDRA8/STCmob (Belgium), Absalon (Denmark), TD BJD (Germany), LOK (Greece), I&O (the Netherlands), ROC (Norway), Aginter Press (Portugal), SDECE (France), P26 (Switzerland) , Counter-Guerrilla (Turkey), OWSGV (Austria) or Stay Behind (Luxembourg). The names of the groups in Finland, Spain and Sweden are still not known. In 1990, the EU Parliament passed a resolution condemning Operation Gladio and calling for an investigation of all stay behind organisations in Europe.

IT IS KNOWN THAT several of secret armed groups deviated from their original mission and engaged in warfare against civil society. In Italy, this became common knowledge through Judge Felice Casson’s discovery of documents in 1990. He knew that an organisation known as Gladio had infiltrated the Red Brigade during the Cold War and had carried out acts of terrorism in the latter’s name – all the while remaining outside both parliamentary and governmental control. (emphasis added /jc) Gladio recruited members from the fascist organisations Avanguardia Nazionale and Ordine Nuovo, and had for several decades been under the control of a parallel state consisting of both Italian Military Intelligence (SID/SIFAR), the Freemason’s Lodge in Italy known as Propaganda Due (P2), the Mafia and the CIA. In the period 1969 to 1987, 491 innocent civilians were killed and 1181 injured in acts of terrorism carried out by Gladio. An example of this is the terrorist attack that took place on the 2nd of August 1980, during which 85 people were killed and 200 injured in the waiting room of a train station in Bologna. In the series of “false flag” terrorist operations the perpetrators always manage to somehow evade the police. The aim of these acts was to bring the growing Italian Communist Party into disrepute and tighten the Christian Democratic Party’s grip on power, through the use of what became known as “strategies of tension.” The strategy works from the premise that, with the aid of terrorist acts, the population will come to seek protection from the incumbent government. In so doing, the CIA would be able no matter what, to check the influence of the Soviet Union by preventing the Communist Party from attaining positions of power in Parliament. This was also a strategy the CIA adopted elsewhere in Europe.

MANY OF THE OTHER European stay behind organisations carried out terrorist acts against the civilian populations of their home countries. Examples of these are provided by events in Turkey in 1977, when Counter-Guerilla snipers allegedly opened fire on demonstrators from Istanbul’s trade unions, killing 38 and injuring hundreds more. Some years previously, on the 20th of April 1969 in neighbouring Greece, LOK was purportedly involved in a coup d'état during which General Sylianos Pattakos gained control of Greece. In 1990, it was revealed that members of TD BDJ were behind a bombing in Munich in September 1980 which killed 13 people and injured 213. In neighbouring Belgium - after Italy, possibly the nation hardest hit by false flag terrorism - the SDRA8 and STC/Mob were probably responsible for a series of actions against innocent civilians in the Brabant area, in the course of which 28 people were killed and several injured. The terrorists were never identified or imprisoned, even though the Belgian parliament demanded that top-ranking officers of the military intelligence service provide a list of the perpetrators.

In connection with the five year anniversary of September 11th, we interviewed Dr. Daniele Ganser, author of “NATO’s Secret Armies”.(2)

Further comments by Ganser here: http://www.irishantiwar.org/news/item.tcl?news_item_id=102767




In Italy, on 3 August 1990, then-prime minister Giulio Andreotti confirmed the existence of a secret army code-named “Gladio” - the Latin word for “sword” - within the state. His testimony before the Senate subcommittee investigating terrorism in Italy sent shockwaves through the Italian parliament and the public, as speculation arose that the secret army had possibly manipulated Italian politics through acts of terrorism.

Andreotti revealed that the secret Gladio army had been hidden within the Defense Ministry as a subsection of the military secret service, SISMI. General Vito Miceli, a former director of the Italian military secret service, could hardly believe that Andreotti had lifted the secret, and protested:

"I have gone to prison because I did not want to reveal the existence of this super secret organization. And now Andreotti comes along and tells it to parliament!" According to a document compiled by the Italian military secret service in 1959, the secret armies had a two-fold strategic purpose: firstly, to operate as a so-called “stay-behind” group in the case of a Soviet invasion and to carry out a guerrilla war in occupied territories; secondly, to carry out domestic operations in case of “emergency situations”.

The military secret services’ perceptions of what constituted an “emergency” was well defined in Cold War Italy and focused on the increasing strength of the Italian Communist and the Socialist parties, both of which were tasked with weakening NATO “from within”. Felice Casson, an Italian judge who during his investigations into right-wing terrorism had first discovered the secret Gladio army and had forced Andreotti to take a stand, found that the secret army had linked up with right-wing terrorists in order to confront “emergency situations”. The terrorists, supplied by the secret army, carried out bomb attacks in public places, blamed them on the Italian left, and were thereafter protected from prosecution by the military secret service. "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,” right-wing terrorist Vincezo Vinciguerra explained the so-called “strategy of tension” to Casson.

“The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened." (emphasis added /jc)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0412/S00249.htm
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:46 PM
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11. Peple associated with the Gladio network
still have their tentacles into the White House. Old habits die hard.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:25 AM
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7. I grew up hearing "Never again!"
And when I see the Bush administration, I think, "Oh no, not again!"

Sad that Foxman, wants to "deify" Hitler, such that no one before or since can be compared. I can easily picture Bush filling Hitler's boots gleefully. Hitler wasn't unique.

--IMM
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:13 PM
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9. K&R.nt
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