GLOBAL WARNING

[omega minimo]

[Reterr]

1. K&R/NT

[Poiuyt]

2. What a sad photo

[omega minimo]

6. heartbreaking

[neoblues]

3. I didn't know Polar Bears could "Ice Sculpt"?

Silliness aside, even if we were to take the proper steps to stop Global Warming, it's probably too late for the Polar Bears. Truth is, it's probably too late for us and most other species--considering that the Human Race isn't likely to address the issue. Even the most optimistic plans seem to be hoping to begin thinking about maybe having a meeting to consider discussing the possibility that a plan might be developed that someday some of the world's nations might decide to consider, but only if it's not seen as forgoing any wealth. Even then, the plans include goals like "slowing the rate of growth of greenhouse gasses" rather than any actual reductions. Oof.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

10. I agree

Whole lot of stuff coming at us. We can fight the facts or start to fix it best possible. Funny thing, all lot of money can be made finding solutions.

[neoblues]

20. Alas, the potential profit motive...

may be the only thing that saves us (if saved we are).

[originalpckelly]

4. WOW! That melted quickly!

:wow:

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

5. Is nuclear winter a solution to global warming ?

[omega minimo]

7. that's my line

[omega minimo]

8. "What do you write at the end of the world?"

link to OneBlueSky's thread on Joni Mitchell's new work

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=126587&mesg_id=126587

:thumbsup: :yourock:

[kansasblue]

9. and I'll note again that these really add nothing to the debate....

The debate isn't about if there is global warming. The debate is about whether man is causing it or not. The majority of Republicans feel it is caused naturally.

And so I KINDLY point out... in my view...that these pictures do nothing to get us closer to a resolution and as so they are just noise.

[omega minimo]

12. well good thing your heart is frozen, maybe that will help

"get us closely to a resolution..." :toast:





(how can a picture be "noise"?) :yoiks:

[kansasblue]

15. my heart's not frozen.....

I live in a conservative area and I understand how the resistance to a global warming solution is thinking. I'm asking, for the good of the planet, that we focus the debate more clearly.

[omega minimo]

16. a picture is worth a thousand noises................

how does a dramatic and poignant (yet beautiful) photo hinder your point and prevent "focusing the debate"? :shrug:

[kansasblue]

21. ok..... one more.

Your pictures serve a purpose to show that there IS global warming. To point out a problem. In my humble opinion that has already been achieved.

In problem solving the next step would be to work toward a solution. And my point is that the info about what is CAUSING global warming and suggested scientific solution serve more value to DU.

But that is my opinion and you seem confident in yours so we'll just agree to disagree.

[omega minimo]

26. i would disagree that we are disagreeing

"To point out a problem. In my humble opinion that has already been achieved.
In problem solving the next step would be to work toward a solution.
And my point is that the info about what is CAUSING global warming and suggested scientific solution serve more value to DU.
But that is my opinion and you seem confident in yours so we'll just agree to disagree."


You are right, right and right again.

And that photo is so striking, so dramatic, so poignant, so beautiful, so painful, that-- who knows? We may see that image, that moment, in our dreams. We may be -- not the ones living among conservatives, privileged, distanced, holding the issue at arm's length, poopoohing any notion that doesn't meet certain criteria and logic-- tonight we may find OURSELVES standing on that disappearing berg, we may awaken newly motivated to get out of the luxury sport utility vehicle with the blackened windows and global positioning system and rear view cameras so we don't drive over the two year old-- and into reallity.

:thumbsup:

[WindRavenX]

22. No, there is no debate on whether man is causing the shift in climate

This was explicitly addressed by the scientists at last week's international summit--we are the main cause of global warming. No ifs ands or buts.

[kansasblue]

23. yes...yes! now we are getting some where... but look at this.

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkprogress.org%2F2007%2F02%2F05%2Fwarming-13-percent%2F

POLL: Only 13 Percent Of Congressional Republicans Believe In Man-Made Global Warming

National Journal has released a new “Congressional Insiders Poll,” which surveyed 113 members of Congress — 10 Senate Democrats, 48 House Democrats, 10 Senate Republicans, and 45 House Republicans — about th

[WindRavenX]

25. of course they don't. It's against their best business interests.

NT

[kansasblue]

27. and so that was my direction...

to try to arm DUers with information to fight that battle. The 'why' battle and what we can do about it.

And so I'm trying to focus the debate in that direction. So when we run into the people who are saying... ' sucks for the polar bears...but it's not our fault' (Republicans). During those times I hoping it was DU that supplied the info to show that's it man made.

[omega minimo]

28. well, they run away from responsibility for everything, so there's your connection

"The 'why' battle and what we can do about it."

"So when we run into the people who are saying... ' sucks for the polar bears...but it's not our fault' (Republicans)."

The problem is not "purty pitchers" the problem is chickenshit motherfucking hypocrites.

[StClone]

11. Compatriot also vanishing; Ivory Gull

As the pack ice and overall Arctic ice disappears a beautiful all-white Gull that is often seen feeding on Polar Bear kills is also decreasing at an alarming rate -- by as much as 90% in a few years.




Informative pdf file:

http://www.defenders.org/globalwarming/meltdown/navigating-the-arctic-meltdown-chapter-2.pdf



Also, see his too: http://www.defenders.org/globalwarming/

[omega minimo]

14. STUNNING!

That's a gull? Wow.

Thank you St. Clone. Your post reminded me also of the white dolphin that has been extincted.


Great post, much appreciated. :pals: Malloy is talking about global warming tonight. See also the link about Joni Mitchell. She is moved to get the word out (again).

[StClone]

18. "They paved paradise...

...and put up a parking lot." Joni was not ahead of her time she was right on time. Thanks.

:hi:

[neoblues]

24. Beautiful Bird.

The loss of yet another of nature's own that few will even notice. After all, few live where it lives--but it's value and importance has nothing to do with whether people are there to see it. It's declining and doesn't have the slightest inkling why (if it did, perhaps the Hollywood movie "The Birds" would have a sequel). We, however, do know why. We'll be making sounds about how sorry we are when the human population begins to decline against it's natural tendency to swell beyond the environment's carrying capacity (as in shrinking due to shortages of water and food, increasing severity of storms, etc), but then will be a bit late. At least we'll know we have nobody to blame but us (though we'll probably lay the blame on prior generations) and that the human race will be getting it's just desert (reaping what we've sown).

Much in nature has changed already. We're scarcely aware, but imagine what it was like just fifty years ago--how pristine many environments were by comparison. Just think, if our children are even able to go outside, how things are going to be very different (and not in a good way--even if we stave off disaster). Whatever it's like, that will be what they're used to--though they'll have old nature videos to wonder at...

That consideration reminds me of Changing Baselines...

[roamer65]

13. People seem to not want to discuss the core problem of global warming...

OVERPOPULATION. Gore hit on it briefly during his movie by showing the population chart. The Earth and its resources simply cannot sustain 9 billion of us. I am beginning to think that the Chinese are heading in the right direction with their "one child" policy, as Draconian as it is. The solution to global warming will have to come from both massive emission reductions and large reductions in population growth.

[I_like_chicken]

17. Vinod Khosla a ventur capitalist

who helped found Sun Microsystems describes a very effective way to reduce our dependency on foreign oil by switching to ethanol as a fuel source. Not only is it very practical, it can also be very profitable too. Unfortunately its probably not profitable to oil companies who happen to control Washington right now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-570288889128950913&q=ethanol&hl=en

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Dupe. Here's The Original Thread On This:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=131612&mesg_id=131612

[Warren DeMontague]

29. Easy solution: Just tell them the "jury is still out" on global warming.

There are several highly paid scientists on petroleum corporation payrolls who will argue quite passionately that it's all a big "hoax".

[omega minimo]

30. What planet are they planning on living on?

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Good question. Planet EXXON? nt