Is America currently involved in a class war?

[leftofthedial]

wealthy versus non-wealthy

[ret5hd]

1. Hey, don't blame us...they started it! (AND they're winning)

[alfredo]

25. Here's the poster

[phildo]

46. As it is targeted on our turf, an effective counter would be an insurgency n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Yes but only one side is actually fighting.

The other side thinks that it is on the winning team, or will be soon when they hit the jackpot on the lottery.

[leftofthedial]

3. that's a fact

our asses have been kicked into the middle of the generation after next already

[The Inquisitive]

32. agreed

I always cringe when people don't understand that few of the 1% typically don't think in terms of we. As we can tell by current national economic trends the loyalties of the wealthy are to the dollar. The institutions the lower class has to fight back are quickly becoming disempowered and out of date. The MNC is transcending the traditional political power structures, and by doing so are rendering unions as we know them obsolete. The means of production are quickly losing their traditional national ties so they can simply transcend national laws by moving. By attempting to pass any sort of legislation or further consolidating union power the MNC's are simply driven away leaving the vast majority of the populace high and dry.

To be honest, I see the MNC and the capitalist class winning this round. Not only do they hold all the cards, but they get to decide the game we play.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. I'll say 'sorta yes'

There is, in fact, class warfare in this country. The Rich started it and are fighting it. "Winning" is when everyone Not Rich is impoverished and in debt to the rich.

The Not Rich really have yet to engage the Rich in battle. The Not Rich fall into several broad classes of Not Rich:

Not Rich but Thinks They Will Be - these are foot soldier Republicans They think by supporting the Rich they will have allies when the climb the ranks of the Not Rich. (The end game for these people is to die very poor and very bitter.)

Not Rich and Angry - not angry *because* they're Not Rich. Rather, they're angry because the Rich keep shutting down any chance they might have had to improve their lot in life through their own resources.

Not Rich and Stupid - they don't understand anything but jingoistic bullshit. They also believe anything a Daddy type tells them.

Only the Not Rich and Angry have engaged the enemy so far.

[leftofthedial]

7. that sounds like more than sorta yes

I agree with your Not Rich categories

[rocktivity]

5. There are two classes in America:

The class that can afford to attend Bush fund raising events, and everybody else.

:headbang:
rocknation

[leftofthedial]

11. that's pretty much it

there are maybe a million people against all the rest of us

and they have kicked our asses into oblivion

[HughBeaumont]

6. And our side is losing a thousand fold.

Partially thanks to the Horatio Alger dumbasses who elect the party of the wealthy, thinking that if they work hard like the Bushes and the Cheneys of the world, someday they'll attain their pot o' gold.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

To quote Steve Perry - "Don't Stop Believin' . . ."

:eyes:

[ikojo]

8. I believe it was billionaire Warren Buffet who

said something to the effect that there is a class war and his class is winning.

First to get people to believe there is a class war, we must first get them to believe there are classes in the US. When people making an income that puts them in the upper 20% call themselves middle class, we have problems.

[undergroundpanther]

13. People that have fear sharing with have nots,they think

If they give and do not get a return on the'investment' they are LOSING.Even though this said person may have plenty.
http://www.bestandworst.com/v/92959.htm
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/111635.shtml

[steve2470]

9. other

I voted other because I need more information, honestly.

[Robbien]

10. It is sad that this is even a question

Sadder yet, the war has already been fought. Its over.

We did not win.

[undergroundpanther]

12. no war but class war

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NHwvOEfORisZoM:


The class war is all around us.Pounding our souls into apathy.

[RedCappedBandit]

29. That first picture really gets under my skin..

don't think i could tell you how much it angers me.

[KG]

14. this country was created by a class war - the 'haves' v. the 'have-mores'

the 'have-nots' have merely been foot soldiers ever since.

[proud patriot]

15. Yes and it's being waged by the rich onto the poor

:grr:

[David Zephyr]

16. The class war is eternal.

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." - Karl Marx, 1848.

[Hosnon]

19. Exactly. I think that a mostly capitalist system tends to produce the best overall

situation for our species but that system necessitates classes and, therefore, class tension (or "war").

[leftofthedial]

33. yeah,

destroying the planet--it's water, it's air, it's climate . . .

relegating most of the population into perpetual poverty

feeding an endless cycle of war and waste

that "mostly capitalist" system is working out real well for our species

[Hosnon]

34. I didn't say it tends to produce a good situation. I said that it tends

to produce the best situation. We may still be at a -5 but I think that other systems would put us below that number.

[Kansas Wyatt]

17. Yes, and that is why I do not give a shit about the rich being...

Taxed into extinction to make up for their obscene gains at everyone else's expense.

[leftofthedial]

28. I say let's go take back all the shit they've stolen from the workers

(there is no wealth without labor)

and divvy it up

[HeeBGBz]

36. Do a Robin Hood on their ass. n/t

[0rganism]

18. Is it really a "war" if only one side fights?

The wealthy people sure seem to be calling all the shots in this battle.

I think the more appropriate term would be "class massacre".

[B Calm]

20. We have 4 people who are sitting on their big fat hemroid asses

and using their shit stained index finger to vote no... who are these people??

[Warren Stupidity]

21. You get an unofficial DU Cage Fight nomination for that!

Ow. "shit stained index finger" indeed!

[rucky]

22. America has no class. n/t

[sutz12]

23. Yes, and they are winning. nt

[PassingFair]

24. Not yet.

Flame away, but I believe that the poor in the
south are still voting and working with the
criminals through the churches.

Pathetic.

[leftofthedial]

27. how does that negate the existence of the class war?

:shrug:

[PassingFair]

41. Because most of the poor....

are fighting on the side of the rich.

[leftofthedial]

42. so all those poles and russians who fought for the germans in 1944 and 1945

means that WWII never happened?

:shrug:

[PassingFair]

43. Russians fought for the Germans?

?

[leftofthedial]

45. Many of the rank and file soldiers in the German infantry

by 1944 and 1945 were eastern Europeans, Russians, Poles and other nationalities, conscripted into the German Army.

There also was an entire corps of Russian volunteers in the Wehrmacht (ill-used due to politics), as well as formations from the Ukraine, Armenia and other conquered countries and regions.

[PassingFair]

47. What does this have to do...

with the fact that Nascar attendees and
big box X-tians are voting
for republicans?

[leftofthedial]

51. just because a segment of the lower classes ignorantly supports the wealthy

does not negate the existence of a class war

[LibertyorDeath]

26. It has been since it's founding there's no currently about it.

Who Rules America

Wealth, Income, and Power
by G. William Domhoff
September 2005 (updated December 2006)


The Wealth Distribution

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2004).

Much more interesting info http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

[JacquesMolay]

30. Yeah - and the rich got Washington on their side ...

...

[leftofthedial]

31. DC is on the other side

count the millionaires in Congress

[kenny blankenship]

35. Yes certainly! - AND - it's not limited to warfare inside of America

America's elite class--corporations and the top managerial class--are at war not only against the working and middle classes of the US, but also they make war against the working and middle class entitlements enjoyed by citizens of European countries--against their unions and wages and privacy rights. It is an information/propaganda war (witness the corporate onslaught against Michael Moore's Sicko), and it is a war fought continually in the trenches of currency trading, central bank credit policy, and the stock markets of the combatant nations on all sides of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Class warfare is fully globalized now, and although it's readily understood by ordinary US citizens that the elites no longer view them in any sense as partners in a national project but instead as obstacles and livestock, it's less well understood that the standard of living of workers and middle class people in all other developed countries is also under daily attack from the same forces.

[leftofthedial]

37. Is the time right for a global workers' revolt?

these parasites are killing us and our planet

[leftofthedial]

38. who are the 7?

:shrug:

[B Calm]

40. FREEPERS

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

54. Realists

See my post below. If we're in a war, it's the most one-sided battle in history.

This fight has all the drama of a heavyweight bout between Mike Tyson and Jessica Tandy.

[Selatius]

39. To deny class warfare in America is to deny a fundamental fact of living in America.

If you deny that, you may as well be a Polish officer denying the Nazis are invading your country.

[BlooInBloo]

44. As opposed to at what other time? Or are you simply asking whether scarcity reigns?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

48. What else is new?

[yurbud]

49. is it technically a war if one side doesn't even realize it? Or is it more like cattle shuffling

in to the slaughterhouse?

[PassingFair]

50. Thank you....

for clarifying.

And some of the cattle are HERDING themselves..

[yurbud]

52. capos in the concentration camp

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

53. When the CEO of my insurance company is publicly beheaded...

then we're in a class war. Right now we're just getting massively screwed and pouting about it.