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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:02 PM
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Email From Rightwinger on Pardons and Libby
Former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton are absolutely
outraged that President Bush granted executive clemency to Scooter Libby,
recently convicted of making false statements under oath. They obviously
believe that Libby should serve his thirty month sentence.

Does that mean that they now think that perjurers should go to jail? Or have
they simply forgotten about Bill Clinton's own plea agreement in the last
hours of his presidency - for making false statements under oath? Some
people would call that perjury.

One would have thought that Hillary and Bill Clinton wouldn't touch the
Libby executive clemency issue with a ten-foot pole - for lots of reasons.

After all, Bill Clinton has a well-earned reputation as the king of pardons
- granting 140 of them during his last minutes in office - with many going
to terrorists, people who had paid Hillary's brothers to arrange for
pardons, contributed money or key support to Hillary's Senate campaign,
given the Clintons expensive personal gifts, and/or made large contributions
to Bill Clinton's Presidential Library. One of the pardons went to Bill's
own brother, Roger, while another went to Susan MacDougal, who kept quiet
about Clinton during the Whitewater trial.

That's really cronyism, Hillary.

Given the disgraceful Clinton record on pardons, most reasonable people
would have kept quiet - especially when Libby's offense was so similar to
Bill's own criminal conviction. But the self-righteous former first couple
couldn't resist. Once the clemency was announced, Hillary immediately
attacked President Bush, saying, "This commutation sends the clear signal
that in this administration, cronyism and ideology trump competence and
justice."

Hey, Hillary, do you understand what cronyism really means?

Cronyism is favoritism shown to friends and supporters without regard to
their qualifications. And that's what Bill Clinton's pardons were all about.
Except, as usual, the Clintons went way over the top. So, in addition to
granting pardons to undeserving friends, Bill Clinton also pardoned
undeserving strangers who paid his family, friends, campaign coffers, and
presidential library.

Now Bill and Hillary claim that his highly controversial pardons were
"different" than the Libby clemency.

He's absolutely right ...

The big difference was that many of the Clinton pardons were patently bought
and paid for - something event he Clintons don't claim to be the case in the
Libby commutation.

Hillary's brothers were paid more than $500,000 to lobby the president for
pardons that were then granted to con artists and drug dealers. For a fee of
$400,000, Hugh Rodham successfully pushed for a pardon for drug kingpin
Carlos Anabel Vignali, convicted of shipping a half-ton of cocaine from L.A.
to Minnesota. His father was a big contributor to the Democratic Party - he
gave more than $150,000 to the Los Angeles Democrats. Obviously, the
investment was a shrewd one.

That's cronyism, Hillary. Get it?

Tony Rodham advocated a pardon for Edgar and Vanna Jo Gregory. The Gregorys,
who owned a carnival company, defrauded a federal bank. When the pardon was
publicized, Hillary stated that Tony was "not paid" by the Gregorys for his
work on the pardon. Tony repeated that line on the Larry King Show.

After an investigation, the House Government Operations Committee disagreed
and announced that Hillary's statement was inaccurate. Now, a federal
bankruptcy court overseeing the carnival company's bankruptcy is about to
rule on whether over $100,000 paid to Tony Rodham at the time of the pardons
was a loan or payment for "consulting."

The Gregorys contributed over $100,000 to Hillary's campaign and other
Democratic causes. These folks were well known to the Clintons - they
visited them at Camp David and were hired to stage two carnivals on the
White House grounds - paid for by the taxpayers.

That's cronyism, Hillary.

When the Rodham brothers' exploits were made public, Bill and Hillary
announced that they were "shocked and saddened" by the disclosure. At the
time of the pardons, the Rodham brothers were actually living in the White
House with the Clintons and had made contact with the highest level of
presidential assistants. But the Clintons claimed that they were totally
unaware of what Hugh and Tony were doing.

But, it wasn't just Hillary's family who benefited from the Clinton
cronyism. Bill's brother Roger was pardoned for his drug conviction, and he
was allegedly paid $30,000 to promote six felons - although those pardons
were never granted.

That's cronyism, Hillary.

The most outrageous Clinton pardons went to sixteen members of the terrorist
gang, the FALN, a Puerto Rican nationalist group responsible for over 130
bombings in the U.S. - attacking the N.Y. office of the FBI, military
recruiting headquarters, and even former president Jimmy Carter's Chicago
campaign office. Six people died and dozens more were injured as a result of
FALN's actions. These terrorists never even asked for a pardon, but because
Hillary wanted to ingratiate herself with the Hispanic population in New
York during her first Senate race, they were suddenly granted a commutation
of their sentences.

Although the commutations were opposed by the FBI and the Clinton Justice
Department, Bill Clinton granted them to all 16 terrorists. Once again,
Hillary claimed to have "no involvement in or prior knowledge of the
decision." Her statement is ridiculous. Two days before the announcement of
the pardons, New York City Councilman Jose Rivera personally presented
Hillary with a packet of materials including a letter asking her to "speak
to the president and ask him to consider granting executive clemency to the
prisoners." What a coincidence - the sentences were immediately commuted!

Hillary, that's another example of cronyism.

Joe Connor, the son of one of the innocent men killed by the FALN terrorists
at the Fraunces Tavern in Manhattan, put it this way:

"The Clinton family traded the release of terrorists for votes, votes that
were promised to be delivered by New York politicians to Hillary for senate
and Gore for president. That was clear."

That's cronyism, Hillary.

And Hillary actually has the audacity to accuse President Bush of cronyism!
This woman has no shame.

Then, of course, there was also Marc Rich, the fugitive oil broker who
renounced his American citizenship. Rich was illegally buying oil from Iran
during the American trade embargo and hid the $200 million in trading (and
over $100 million in profits) with Iraq using dummy transactions in
off-shore corporations.

Ironically, Scooter Libby was one of Rich's lawyers, while Rudy Giuliani was
the U.S. Attorney who brought the indictment. Amazingly, the U.S. Attorney's
Office was never contacted by the White House for input into the pardon
decision. Here's what the prosecuting attorney had to say about the pardon:

"I cannot imagine two people that were less suited for a presidential pardon
than Marc Rich and Pincus Green. It is inconceivable that
President Clinton chose to pardon the two biggest tax cheats in the history
of the United States who had renounced their citizenship, been fugitives for
seventeen years, and who had traded with the Iranians during the hostage
crisis. While I do not know what motivated President Clinton to pardon Rich
and Green, I can state that it is implausible that those pardons were based
on his evaluation of the merits of the case..."
<http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonsex8.htm>

Interestingly, Rich's wife bought furniture for the Clinton's Chappaqua home
and contributed at least $450,000 to the Clinton Library.

That's cronyism, Hillary.

Finally, there were the four New Square pardons. There, the Hasidic
defendants were convicted of pocketing $40 million of federal scholarship
money. Hillary visited the community, and on Election Day the community
supported Hillary 1400 to 12. Weeks later, on December 22, 2000, President
Clinton met with the New Square leaders to discuss a pardon. Hillary
attended the meeting, but claims that she did not speak.

Apparently, she didn't have to - the pardons were granted.

That's cronyism, Hillary!

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Will they ever stop comparing or blaming Clinton? :shrug:
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:05 PM
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1. They're just repeating what they hear on RW radio
This is the primary reason that we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. These right-wing nutjobs are allowed to spew lies all day long, and there is not one single person who is able to challenge them. Whenever they do "allow" a liberal guest on the air, they usually wind up shouting them down and talking all over them, hardly letting them get a word in edgewise.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:12 PM
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2. and in other news tonight, we bring you LIVE coverage of paint drying
is there a "smiley" for :yawn: (apparently not, Skinnerrrrrrrrr!!)
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:14 PM
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3. its really good of you to share it with the board. might have missed it
otherwise.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:16 PM
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4. E-mail this back to them....
FINAL REPORT OF THE
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR
IRAN/CONTRA MATTERS
Volume I:
Investigations and Prosecutions
Lawrence E. Walsh
Independent Counsel
August 4, 1993
Washington, D.C.
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
Division for the Purpose of
Appointing Independent Counsel
Division No. 86-6

Chapter 28
George Bush
George Bush served as vice president through the Reagan presidency from 1981 to 1989. In January 1989, he succeeded Reagan as President. It was in his capacity as President that Bush committed what will likely become his most memorable act in connection with Iran/contra. On December 24, 1992, twelve days before former Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger was to go to trial, Bush pardoned him.1 In issuing pardons to Weinberger and five other Iran/contra defendants, President Bush charged that Independent Counsel's prosecutions represented the ``criminalization of policy differences.''

1 President Bush also pardoned former National Security Adviser Robert C. McFarlane, former Assistant Secretary of State Elliott Abrams, former CIA Central American Task Force Chief Alan D. Fiers, Jr., former CIA Deputy Director for Operations Clair E. George, and former CIA Counter-Terrorism Chief Duane R. Clarridge. The Weinberger pardon marked the first time a President ever pardoned someone in whose trial he might have been called as a witness, because the President was knowledgeable of factual events underlying the case.

The criminal investigation of Bush was regrettably incomplete. Before Bush's election as President, the investigation was primarily concerned with the operational conspiracy and the careful evaluation of the cases against former National Security Adviser John M. Poindexter and Lt. Col. Oliver L. North of the National Security Council staff, prior to their indictment in March 1988. This included a review of any exculpatory material that might have shown authorization for their conduct. In the course of this investigation, Vice President Bush was deposed on January 11, 1988.

A year later Bush was President-elect, and OIC was engaged in the intensive preparation for the trial of North, which began on January 31, 1989. After the completion of the trials of North and Poindexter and the pleas of guilty of retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Richard V. Secord and Albert Hakim, OIC broadened its investigation to those supporting and supervising Poindexter and North. This investigation developed a large amount of new material with which it intended to question President Bush. His interrogation was left to the end because, as President, he obviously could not be questioned repeatedly. It was Independent Counsel's expectation that he would be available after the completion of the 1992 Presidential election campaign.

more

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_28.htm


Then ask which actions more resemble what baby bush did, Clinton's or daddy bush's actions.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:34 PM
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8. Logic and reality won't mean shit to them ...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:40 PM
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9. True, but at least they will receive some facts back and know that
for every e-mail they send out with the crud in the OP, there are facts flying around as well. If nothing else it will piss them off royally and that, in itself, is worth it, lol.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:18 PM
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5. Thank you for your concern.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:28 PM
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6. Remind them that Marc Rich's attorney, who got him pardoned, was Scooter Libby. NT
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:30 PM
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7. Faux news and hate radio rhetoric. n/t
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 07:44 PM
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10. Poppy pardoned Orlando Bosch, the Cuban terrorist and Caspar Weinberger.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 08:07 PM
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11. They wonder why the Republican Party is a mess...
the fuckers don't even know what the truth is !!
Can't speak the truth.. Wouldn't know the truth
if it landed on their thick numb skulls.

It must sure suck to be Republican these days.
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