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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:34 PM Original message |
The men on c-span talking about abortion should STFU. |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. My sig line! |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I love Gloria! |
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MotorCityMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Also, if men had babies |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. I always say |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. Bwwwwaaaaahhhhh !!!!!!!! **snort** |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. K & R |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Thank you! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. No problem. I'm always good for a recommend when the cause is right. |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. I was listening to that. It's surreal how many religious fanatics |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:43 PM Original message |
Thank you! |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree with most that you say... but being pregnant is not giving up |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Oh! how I agree with you! |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
133. Kicking your thread |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yes ducky, I agree with.you . I feel practically vomitous, when I see male politicos |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I just strongly feel that they have NO right to decide what I do with my body. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. My mom always said |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Love to your mom!! |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. your mom was wise. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Thank you |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. I made my choices |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. That's a superb argument I don't believe I've ever heard before |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. This was not meant as a men bashing thread. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Oh Come On Now. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. The majority of men who sue for custody get it. That's national, some localities differ. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. That's Not Even Close To Being True. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Deleted sub-thread |
GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
134. Here is an article from St. John's Law review that refutes your statement. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
151. Great point. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
202. My ex punished me for having a child he didn't want. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Sexist...? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. He owes me an irony meter. Thank goodness he didn't call them homophobic too, or I'd be in a crater. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. OMG....! |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. In Matters Of Custody? Absolutely. That's A No Brainer. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. No-brainer...? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Instead Of Wasting Your Time Replying With Nonsense Attack, Maybe You Should Spend It Browsing The |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Ooooh....the big strong man is telling me how to spend my time...! |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #83 |
109. Maybe he can also explain why women are still being paid LESS |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Look at you... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
108. Well, thank goodness that the MEN have always so historically |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #108 |
152. And of course... |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
69. But it's turned into a male-bashing thread... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Perhaps... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. Women defending their rights |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. Well said...! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's like a woman talking about the draft. It lacks something....nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Considering that women are in combat and are included in the 2003 draft legislation |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. You go Nikki Stone1 !! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Women have never been drafted and don't have to register. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Deleted sub-thread |
kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
111. Neither do older men |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
25. And infertile women... they should STFU too! |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Those men, like anyone else, need to STFU when it comes to someone |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Talking is talking... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Until the boys decide that they ought to do more than talk - they |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. So, do you also believe that... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I know for a fact that infertility isn't always forever |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Who's arguing for the right of men to actually impose a lack of choice on women? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. And I suppose the morans on CSpan were simply sharing their |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. What possible meaning does "freedom of speech" have... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. They're allowed to say it: we don't have to like it or support what they say |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Sounds like we're in agreement then. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
112. It is fascinating that the members of the very minority which denied |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:18 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I don't understand a world... |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. What exactly are you saying? |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. This reminds me... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. Or more importantly, the way Padres give marital and sex advice. |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. Azackly! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
93. Not if it doesn't concern their own body, no |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
110. I think we live in a society in which men believe it is their inherent |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:10 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Wonder what they would have said... |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Sorry man, Not interested in your "interesting views" |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. It's a (relatively) free country (for who knows how much longer)... |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. woop dee dooda |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Abortion is a female specific human right. As a male I support that right. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Thank you, exactly. nt |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I don't men have any right to tell women what to do with their bodies either... |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. But here's the problem |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
106. Not inconsistent -- the attack on RTLers is question-begging |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #106 |
128. Oh, blah and blather |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. This Is A Very Good Post. I Totally Agree And Think You Did A Great Job Making Rational Points. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Gee... |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
74. Not at all. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I'm not saying it isn't a private decision between a woman... |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I see. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #80 |
117. I'll let the politicians... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
92. Expressing a view is one thing |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
27. Well, it's an extremely easy position to take -- you get to sound |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. They get all Ramboish and abusive if we don't think their opinion is important. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
73. "all holy and sanctimonious, while it's never something you'd actually have to face yourself" |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. The *woman* is still the one facing possible death and/or maiming. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
119. The guy's involvement in the decision is only at the woman's |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. It really isn't her or his decision. They both are talking about killing someone in existence. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. There is no "child" yet. There is an embryo, or perhaps a fetus. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Potential life? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Yes, potential. Not something capable of living without |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. It's called "responsibility". You know that fetus didn't decide to create itself. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. The woman is responsible for her own life. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #131 |
136. "The woman is responsible for her own life." |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #136 |
147. Women should not lose rights over their own body because they are pregnant. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #147 |
157. Have you ever compared the number of deaths per 100,000 for pregnancy complications... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. So you think it's okay for women to get first trimester abortions - which, as I'm sure someone as |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:46 PM Original message |
If Sally down the street wants to have an abortion because |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
169. No one has the right to force her to go through with her pregnancy. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. Nope. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #127 |
150. And once again, it boils down to clenched fist, puritannical rage that women are "getting away with" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #150 |
162. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm just against sex. It has nothing to do with not wanting our society... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. If you think that a fertilized egg is a human being from the second of conception onward, |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. Conception includes IMPLANTATION. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. Oh that poor dear, that rabid embryo came out of nowhere crawled up into her... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Yeah. What "she did to cause it". You're not hung up on the sex & morality aspect, no. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #174 |
182. You need to look up thread and see how this started for context. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:44 AM Response to Reply #182 |
195. Oh, I know EXACTLY how this thread started. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. She fucked. Get over it. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. . |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #175 |
180. Yes, true, but she doesn't have the right to take another person out of existence. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #180 |
183. What person? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. Oh I'm so sorry, I really, really am so profoundly sorry. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #184 |
187. What's the matter? Tired? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Oh no, I'm just trying to stay within the words your highest of highness approved for me to use. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #189 |
196. I can say my cat is a person. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Your cat is a member of different species. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. And if states really wanted to be humane they would pass laws against murdering your sperm. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #162 |
171. One of these days I'd like to get an answer about the birth control pill, IUDs, and IVF clinics. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #124 |
149. And you feel the same way about your Sperm, I assume. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #122 |
154. So let me be sure I've got it all straight: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Without this: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. And that and four bucks will buy you a coffee at starbucks. What's your point? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. These only have the DNA of the people who produced them: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. 23 + 23 = 46. No DNA is magically manifested in the process of conception. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #167 |
178. You need to go pull out your little biology book. No one's DNA is an exact match for their parents. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:43 AM Response to Reply #178 |
194. Uh Huh. Genes recombine, but there's nothing there that isn't there to begin with. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. So, theoretically, if you're right and it's all a + b = a + b... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #197 |
200. Huh? No, 23 chromosomes come from the mother, 23 come from the father. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
47. The problem is anyone who wants to make decisions about what OTHER people should be allowed to do |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
49. Maybe not on whether they should get one, but they can have plenty of input on how |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. I agree.. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
55. For pro-choice men: Why we get frustrated |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Would you rather have a bunch of women deny you the choice? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. No, of course not |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
132. I'll add this. I flew 3,000 miles to be at the big pro-choice march in DC in April of '04 |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Been a while since I've seen that pic. Still makes me think very mean |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Whenever I think about this issue, I think of that photo |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. We really should have it copied |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
57. Say it loud--I stand with you, sister...! |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
64. Men have the choice to not ejaculate |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
85. Yeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
70. And what about the women who oppose abortion? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. They weren't spouting off on cspan... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
72. As long as so much as a penny of my taxes finances abortion... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Do you have an opinion on tricare's reimbusement policy for appendectomy too? |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Yes I do |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. I don't need your permission |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. There ARE private clinics... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
95. The government has no right to act on my body. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Indeed, but what gives you the right to act on someone else's body? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Please, try not to be coy. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:18 AM Response to Reply #100 |
114. You shouldn't have to even explain that - they know what you mean. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:21 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I know.... |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
78. Regarding the adoption issue.. the man in Texas who has fertilized |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
79. Right -- and who would listen to these idiots? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
94. "M#therf#cker, when was the last time you were pregnant?" |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Right on, Whoopi...! |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
99. Right...men should not express an opinion about abortion. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. ...and so is the idea |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Gee, thank Bliss. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. What do I care, how you vote...? |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:11 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. You would wonder why I was here if I voted pro-life? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. No. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
120. Men are free to express an opinion on whatever they like |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #120 |
135. If that's true... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #99 |
142. Pretty much. |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
121. This isn't a sex issue. What the original poster said is true for men and women. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. In anything that doesn't harm anyone else, everyone should have complete freedom. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Yup. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
130. It's extremely simple: My Body, My Business. Your Body, Your Business. Here's a simple test: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. This leaves open a ton of different situations where people traditionally would intervene: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. You missed the part about "seeing a body do something you morally object to" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. So if someone's trying to commit suicide, I shouldn't call 911? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Snarf. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Of course, you assume that someone else wouldn't be harmed by a person committing suicide.. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. No, it's called continuing to throw out bullshit red herrings. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. The problem is that there is a larger principle and reality you don't seem to grasp... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. And what would that be, O swami of projection? nt |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #137 |
153. Meh...trying to express public policy axiomatically no |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Ok, how's this for an axiom: |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
145. Then don 't ask men to pay for it, through tax dollars or otherwise. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. I honestly don't think people can belong to people, whether it's the mother or the father. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. None of it belongs to the male after it is given to the female |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Does that include child support if she keeps it? (nt) |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. The laws regarding privacy and children can seem to conflict but they really don't |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. It is a choice both make at the outset |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. I didn't use the term owns |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #170 |
177. You said: |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #177 |
181. I noticed I used the word belongs. Was using the same term to answer the post I was responding to |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #181 |
193. Advocating only this: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #170 |
179. Well, excuse me, but to fulfill that financial obligation the father must use his BODY... |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #179 |
185. I don't think you are going to find a great concern for people who don't work |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Oh no, because in your perfect world no one has to work hard to pay child support. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Most people work. If they have child support to pay or not. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. Yes, but unless they make more than they use, they have to work harder. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Then they should have done a better job of protecting themselves |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Hey, I'm just sayin'. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
199. I can't believe this thread is still circulating. . . |
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