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Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 09:49 PM Original message |
Non union Toyota workers in Kentucky plant made more than UAW members last year |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Now that is a shame. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Ditto. Every Toyota I've owned has been great- and nearly indestructible. nt |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Yup, my truck has lasted nearly 17 years. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. My 13 year old Camry is still trouble free. n/t |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Things like this have brought up a dilemma for our local |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. Ford Escape or Mercury Mariner hybrids exist. n/t |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yes they do. But the reviews on their reliability |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Dismal. That's interesting. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. What's wrong with their products? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Are you talking about trucks, or cars? |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. Honest question here. |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. The bonuses at Ford went to the executives instead to "retain" them. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, they are building good cars. People want those. |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 06:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Exactly. |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
6. The key is that they do this in response to union wages... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Absolutely. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Probably not! |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm looking at a new Ford this weekend. Honestly, having |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Why is a Toyota built in Kentucky more "foreign" than a Ford |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Which is why I look at the VIN to determine the origin |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. If you want to only buy products made by American companies by American |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I would be for it if the other countries didn't abuse their workers |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It would be nice if workers in every country made as much as American |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Trade agreements should require they treat their workers properly |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Agreed. Of course the rub comes in defining the term "properly" |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. And I'd prefer that fairer trade agreements. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You may be right about that. Of course, we sell them lots of |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. That's exactly why. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Thank you. |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
42. I see one problem with this "U.S.A./foreign" ... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. To some here I suspect that your truck is considered an import, |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. That engine was probably built at Ford's Cologne Engine Plant. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. I have a question for you about this |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Every GM I have ever owned has been a piece of shit |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. I have read that the Japanese automakers do not have any health |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I had heard that they don't have a big problem with retiree healthcare, |
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elfin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Health Care?? |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. Ever been to that plant and compared it to, say, a Ford plant? |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. Nothing new |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Again, many employers do this to avoid unionizing. If it were not for |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. If you account for the difference in cost of living, its quite a bit more |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Michigan summers are much more pleasant than those in Maryland. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Having done both, I would disagree with you. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
15. There is a Toyota plant in my town. |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. ahhh! ... Outsourcing at a local level |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. more like Microserfs |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. That is essentially what it is. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The tactics at exploiting workers and keeping them non-unionized are more sophisticated than in... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
17. Life expectancy on the production line is 12 years. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. They use them, abuse them and get rid of them |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Exactly -- wages aren't everything |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. In most cases it appeared Toyota did the right thing, but |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
18. My 21 year old Nissan (300ZX) has 1/4 million miles on it and the only failure that whole time was a |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
40. Unions are necessary when employers are bad. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Yep. Bad pay and bad working conditions will lead to a union. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
52. Relying on the largesse of the Company is not a long-term labor strategy |
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