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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 09:47 PM Original message |
Does Michael Moore's "SICKO" Have It's Facts Straight? |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Moore is a polemicist, not a documentarian |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Do you know of any facts that Moore has gotten wrong? |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yes, I do, but that's not the point |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Moore |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. snarf |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Having some trouble moving your bowels lately? n/t |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Having some trouble with your eyes today? You got called on a sloppy response. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Umm, yaah, right |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You jumped in with a sloppy response to the OP and you got busted |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I agree with Veganistan |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Another argument-free "argument" |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. when you find yourself in a hole stop digging! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. It's actually impossible for some - thus the greek tragic hero template. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
50. What facts did Moore get wrong? You say you know of some. Please share. |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. He didn't BUT, well, we all know Michael Moore is a leftist pig. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. Indeed! How can he even dare appear in public with all that celluloid? n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. that struck me as totally ironic too, trumad! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. In This Instance Polemicist = Documentarian |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. That's a point worth further consideration n/t |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. But I thought he won an Academy Award for "Best Documentary" |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Arafat won a Nobel Prize for Peace...so go figure |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. True-- so did Begin... So we've got it that the Nobel selection process awards those who help kill |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Yes, but Arafat |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Funniest thing I've read all morning! n/t |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
87. The GOP maybe has imaginary friends (ref to Arafat's quip) |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. That's a good one.. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Polemics |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Yes, good insight, good post |
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Babel_17 (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
88. "" |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
29. Then we need more polemicists and fewer documentarians. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Other than opinion |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. But the OP states that Moore DID get his facts straight. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Why the scare quotes? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Apparently everyone who objected to your post is a spittle flecked fanatic. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
56. One can be both. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Any facts to share with that polemic? |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. I think the point of the OP is that Moore got his facts right with SICKO |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Cyprus, not Cypress |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. I was disappointed to see "per capital" and "Cypress" used in this article. |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Don't be like this guy |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. It's standard. Americans are fucking stupid. Insane in the membrane! |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. Since when did RW stooges ever know how to spell? |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. Check out these facts from David Sirota’s book |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Thank you for posting those generalities. Our health is sacrificed |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
60. Kaiser's cancer "care" also really sucks. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
64. Why don't we tell it like it is! Who are the HMO's Customer? Sounds like their Shareholders! |
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MindMatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. The talking point should be as simple as this: |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Simpler: The average American receives better health care in Cuba than in America. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
23. Thank You, American Society of Registered Nurses ! |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
28. The comparison to Cuba is even more astounding. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
82. great graph |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
32. yes |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
33. Physicians for a National Health Plan have had those |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You need celebrity power, and that reflects on how degenerated the discourse has become. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
65. At least some of the celebrities like Michael Moore are using |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
34. Nurses... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. That's because they are treated quite badly by the healthcare system. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I'm sure your mother is a nice person |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I'm sorry to hear that. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Just curious, but in what capacity do you interact with these nurses? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Hmmm, do you work for an HMO? |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
85. My sister is a nurse and so is my best friend. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
47. I'm shocked by this post. |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I have to agree...I'm a nurse and have been for over 20 years..most of the nurses I know |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. That has been my experience as well, and I've been in the healthcare field for 25 years |
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trashcanistanista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. Compelled to add that, I am not a nurse |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. When my mother was hospitalized for pneumonia |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. I guess you didn't actually READ the OP! |
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rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Come walk in our shoes for 12 hours |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. hear,hear! |
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rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. You are not alone |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Are you from Texas,Too?What a freaky,cool coincidence! |
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rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Yep...Collin County |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. Amen! I walk 10 miles almost every 12 hour shift I work...and you're right about |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Amen! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
91. In my area of Northern California, by the mid-nineties |
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MatrixEscape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
39. Don't you understand anti-propaganda? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. ME, you are so right. |
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MatrixEscape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:09 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Thank you! |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Dude or Dudeette---great writing and great points. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
67. Bravo/a! Very well said. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
46. So after fact checking we find out most countries spend far less for far better care |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
58. I have not seen Sicko yet |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. The countries are defined in the link. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
66. Why not report ALL the facts? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. lol. n/t |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
74. Harry and Louise are currently laid up in the hospital ! LOL !! |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Nope. Harry and Louise were discharged |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. I get the feeling that Big Pharma and Big Insurance are going to swiftboat us again nt |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
80. On Moore's Site |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
83. "Is Moore right or is President Bush?" That's a no brainer. n/t |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
92. hahaha... |
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