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Scoop & Autorank: Michael Collins Full Report - "Election 2004: The Urban Legend"
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Scoop American Coup II is deeply honoured to present...

Election 2004: The Urban Legend


Michael Collins
“Scoop” Independent News


This analysis is based on original, unpublished research by web commentator, anaxarchos, to whom I owe a debt of gratitude




See also companion article… Sludge Report #177 – Bigger Than Watergate II"


The night of November 2, 2004, was exhilarating or devastating, depending on how you voted and where you were. If you were a rural conservative who voted based on your religious affinity to Bush, you were elated. You were also relieved, because your peers had not turned out with the same enthusiasm that they had shown in 2000. If you were in the suburbs and had campaigned hard for Kerry, you were probably devastated. After all that work in your first campaign ever, the big crowds and the optimistic polls, your man lost. But if you were white, living in a large city, and probably a returning voter after missing several elections, you were positively exuberant. You and your like-minded peers continued George W. Bush’s reign as the 43rd President of the United States. It was a miracle.

This election was a sight to see. Few in the country had the vantage point of network news commentators. Throughout the day these experts received a stream of information from the exit polls of the National Election Pool (NEP). Sponsored by a media consortium consisting of the four major television networks plus CNN and the Associated Press, the NEP provided the most sophisticated polling data ever.

The pundits had the national Exit Poll of 13,660 respondents (1) and parallel State Exit Polls of over 77,000 respondents. The NEP was the only source on “who voted for each candidate; why the voters in each area made critical choices; and where geographical differences on candidates and issues were a factor.”

If you paid attention and knew your craft, you were on fire. Election 2004 was the best thing to happen since Truman beat Dewey and you probably weren’t around for that. It was a unique moment. Just a day or two after the election, experienced analyst Charles Cook practically gushed after he studied the exit polls saying the Bush effort was “…unquestionably …the best planned, best executed presidential campaign ever.”(2)

Based on what he knew at the time, this made sense. Cook reflected that, “Perhaps the most interesting, and maybe puzzling, exit poll finding is that (compared to 2000) Kerry lost 11 points among the 13 percent of Americans who live in cities with populations over 500,000, while President Bush jumped up 13 points (since 2000).” He concluded that the surprising urban performance, required for a Bush win, was a result of defections from the Kerry camp by black, Latinos, and Jewish voters. This is the stuff of legends.

Cook’s analysis pinpointed the actual location the Bush victory: urban voters. His mistake was to think that the normal Democratic constituencies in the cities did anything different from what they had always done. Cook himself was one of a few who actually saw and understood the critical role large cities played in providing the Bush victory margin.

The Conventional Wisdom

On election eve, a different story prevailed. While they had access to the same exit polls that Cook had, the news people did not notice the same trends and numbers that Cook noticed. Network anchors and others talked about the red-versus-blue battle. There were the very red rural evangelicals, almost all white. The media rolled out the newly minted “security moms” in the purple suburbs plus the true blue Democrats in our largest cities, a predictable group if there ever was one. Unlike Cook, who studied the exit polls, the popular news casters assumed that the Rove strategy had materialized.

It was all about country versus city, red versus blue and sotto voce white versus non white. They were right about an election; but that election had taken place four years earlier. The public received a regurgitation of election 2000 analysis for 2004. The follow up consensus was formed from this inaccurate analysis. The remarkable Rove had done it again with those energized evangelicals. And, he’d grabbed enough van driving suburban moms to make the difference.



USA Today (3) echoed much of the analysis when they concluded their election wrap up with this insight:

In the end, the states broke for Bush much as they did in 2000. Bush lost one state that he won in 2000: New Hampshire. Late Wednesday, the Associated Press reported New Mexico went to Bush. Iowa was still undecided. Both states backed Gore in 2000. (4)


During the week or so after Election Day, there were additional flourishes added to the portrait of Bush’s remarkable victory. He had captured the values voters, a new demographic. These voters cast aside their normal allegiances and turned red in a full embrace of the values of the administration. According to the National Exit Poll, Bush supposedly achieved another remarkable feat. He moved the Latino vote from a Democratic mainstay to a competitive playing field. Unlike the typical 60-40% margins Democrats counted on, in 2004 Latino votes were divided 54% - 46%, a 12 point swing. These two additional “findings” hinted at but did not address directly the Bush urban wave.

There was no broad public debate on the legitimacy of the outcome. Intensive debate on the Internet was stimulated by accidental release of preliminary exit poll data throughout Election Day which showed Kerry winning 51% to 48%. Totaling over 11,000 respondents, these polls were marked “Not for on air use.” This fueled charges of election fraud due to the winning margin for Kerry in all exit polls but the final released on the day after the election. In addition, the debate focused on what was called the red shift, Bush victory in a number of key states, all of which were said to be outside the margin of error for the poll. Aside from these interesting but largely ignored exchanges, Americans settled in for four more years of George Bush.

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The National Election Pool (NEP) and has been a feature of recent American political life. The polling company which conducts these surveys describes their purpose as follows:

Exit polls / voter surveys are taken only minutes after citizens’ vote. The results are primary sources from which we can understand the motivations and patterns behind the actual vote. Exit Polls Tell Us: WHO voted for each candidate; WHY voters in your area made critical choices; WHERE geographical differences on candidates and issues were a factor. Edison-Mitofsky Web site 03 May 2007

We use the final revised national exit poll issued the afternoon of Nov. 3, 2004 for this analysis. All of the charts and figures presented come from the 2000 and 2004 National Exit Polls except those at the very end of the essay, where the alternate source is clearly marked.

See also Appendix 2


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Is this what actually happened?

According to the final National Exit Poll, there was a lot more to the 2004 election than Red versus Blue.



FIGURE 1. The 2004 rural vote must have alarmed the Bush camp. It was less as a percentage of the overall vote, dropping from 23% to 16%. Bush’s total rural vote went from 14 million in 2000 to just short of 12 million in 2004. These totals added up to a devastating loss of 2 plus million votes from his base instead of an increase by the 3 to 4 million the campaign needed. This was very bad news for the White House. Their core rural base was absent without leave.


Bush scored a huge victory margin in 2000 in rural America. The 2004 narrative was that the Red versus Blue contest was also the basis for the 2004 victory. But in 2004, rural America provided fewer voters and fewer votes for Bush. Sure, he won the rural segment of the population but this was hardly a victory in comparison to 2000. What happened to the wave of born again Christians supposedly so loyal to Bush? Did they stay home? Did they vote by not voting, a time honored American practice? Did they sit out this most critical of elections despite their spirited performance in 2000 and the exhortations from pulpits, televisions, and over the phone?

We need to put our narrative on pause for a moment and interject a note of ugly reality. In a high turnout election, a presidential candidate who loses a big chunk in his base constituency loses the election. This is axiomatic. There are no exceptions in modern election history. The loss of his core constituency through a drop from 23% to 16% of total vote share was bad enough. In addition, according to the NEP, Bush lost expected votes. At 23% of the vote in 2000, Bush had 14.1 million rural votes. At 16% of the vote in 2004, the rural segment provided only 11.6 million votes. This is an absolute loss of 2.5 million votes in an election that had a 16% increase in turnout compared to 2000.

We are now faced with an incredible situation. Bush won the election according to the declared vote count. Yet he did so with his core constituency on strike: fewer votes from his core constituency in actual terms and fewer votes as a percentage of total votes. It is important to keep this in mind as we move forward because the novelties compound one upon another to present an outcome that is simply not believable.

Bush also lost significant ground in the “small towns,” the other element of his values coalition. Small towns are defined as towns of 10 to 50 thousand residents.



FIGURE 2. In 2000 Bush owned small town America. In small towns, he beat Gore 60% to 40% and walked off with a 1.0 million vote margin. In 2004, turnout increased dramatically, but the race evened with the Bush margin at just below 0.2 million votes. Were these the real values voters? This shows even further erosion of the Bush 2000 base.


The small towns were the other significant part of the Bush “base”. While many rural voters expressed their disenchantment, according to the Exit polls, by staying home, the citizens of small towns increased their turnout by 88% in 2004 and evened the playing field by voting in near equal numbers for John Kerry. Bush had 4.9 million small town votes to Kerry’s 4.7 million for a total of 9.5 million. Small towns had given 2000 to Bush over Gore by 3.1 to 2.0 million votes.

The suburbs were only somewhat better for Bush in 2004 than in 2000. His victory margin there was 5% over Kerry, where it had been just 2% above Gore’s 2000 effort. The suburbs comprise nearly half of the total votes.

Bush took 28.3 million to Kerry’s 25.6 million votes. But, it was not nearly enough. Given the decay in the rural and small town margins and the historical Democratic margin in the cities (the “blue” on the election maps), the 2004 Presidential contest was as good as lost for Bush.

Now, however, the exit poll narrative changes. According to the polls, Bush made very surprising gains in the smaller cities, those with populations between 50 and 500 thousand. There Bush trailed Gore by 17 points in 2000, 8.4 million to 12.0 million respectively. In 2004, the smaller cities were almost even with Kerry at 11.36 million and Bush at 11.39 million. Turnout was up just 9%. It is very difficult to explain such a “trend”. Nevertheless, taking the rural voters, the suburbs, and the break even smaller cities as a group, we see that Bush was still in real trouble heading into the larger cities. Had Kerry just held Bush close to the Gore big city margins for 2000 in these Democratic friendly venues, he would have won the election.

Why not expect a strong Kerry showing? Bush had not been a city-friendly President and he had not gone out of his way to help large cities with any initiatives of note. In our largest city, New York, things looked particularly bad. A 2003 poll showed that over 50% of the residents thought that the administration had foreknowledge of the 911 attacks and did nothing, hardly a predictor of great success in that largest of large cities.

But something very unusual happened, as Charles Cook pointed out. According to the NEP, Bush made incredible gains in the cities over his 2000 vote share. These gains were large enough to offset his drop in core support in rural areas and give him a 3% victory.

In addition, big city voters must have been “motivated” by something. Compared to 2000, rural turnout was down 2.0 million, small towns up sharply at 88% (yet still a small segment), and suburban turnout up slightly, with the smaller cities showing a modest increase which was still less than the reported national average. Turnout in cities over 500 thousand in population increased by 66%. What was this all about? The answer to that question and the plausibility of the answer to that question is vital in understanding the story we were told of the 2004 election results.



FIGURE 3. We are expected to believe that after doing poorly in the rural area and small towns, Bush attracted several million new big city voters and pulled off a last minute victory. In the small towns he was well below his 2000 performance for total votes. In the “red” zone, rural America, he got fewer votes in 2004 than he did in 2000 while turnout was up across the nation.


Bush didn’t win the cities. He didn’t have to, he was already winning. Ultimately he had to achieve a better split in the big cities than he had in 2000. Looking at the chart above, you see the increase in Bush votes in the five location categories.

According to the vote totals, the real kill shot for the Bush victory came from large urban areas, “big cities”, defined as those with a population of half a million or more, e.g., New York, Chicago, Detroit, etc. These cities had been the strongest base for Democrats since the Great Depression. There had been variations in turnout from presidential election to election, but the margins had always remained strong.

The Bush Urban Wave of 2004 by the Numbers

The most instructive way to look at the remarkable and certainly unpredictable Bush urban wave is to take his cumulative margin starting with the rural areas and moving to progressively more dense population areas ending up with the big cities.

Bush started out with a 5.0 million vote margin in rural America in 2000 when 105 million votes were cast. With 122 million cast in 2004, his core constituency gave him only a 3.9 million margin by comparison. There were 23.8 million votes cast in the rural segment in 2000 and just under 20 million in 2004. In fact, given the very high rural turnout rates from 2000, it would have been unlikely that the total margin could increase in 2004.

Towns with a population or 10 to 50 thousand accounted for 5.0 million votes in 2000 with Bush taking this group 60 - 40% over Gore. Votes totals reached nearly 10 million and there was a 48% Kerry - 50% Bush split. These added just 175 thousand votes to the accumulated margin for Bush. In 2000, Bush added 1.1 million votes to his margin for this segment.

At this point things were looking grim for George W. Bush. His rural base stayed home and small town voters nearly doubled their 2000 vote totals and split even. After these Republican core area totals, he was up by 4 million votes. In 2000, at this juncture, he had been up 6.3 million votes with a smaller electorate.

The suburbs, the largest voting block, showed slight improvement for Bush. He increased his 2000 victory margin there from two to five percent and the suburban share went from 43% to 45%. Yet his cumulative margin at this juncture was 6.8 million compared to 7.3 million in 2000 and there were many more Americans yet to vote.



Figure 4. Graph reads from left to right, e.g., 2004 3.8 million rural lead in rural areas; adding the small town margin, Bush has only 4.0 million cumulative - net lead when 2004 small town votes are factored in. This shows that Bush “won”, not by building up a huge lead that was eroded in urban areas, but by building up a much smaller lead that was not nearly as dramatically “eroded” in the cities.


Gore had fared worse than Kerry by a long shot in Rural and Small Town America but then broke even in the suburbs. Once he hit the smaller and big cities, Gore was on a roll and pulled out the forgotten half million popular vote victory.

In 2004, Bush struggled in the rural and small town segments. He gained a modest advantage in the suburbs. Things weren’t looking good compared to his 2000 performance.

Then the urban wave began to form. According to the final exit poll, despite being abandoned by his 2000 base, which was specifically targeted for even more votes in 2004, Bush rallied in the smaller cities. He went from a loss of 60%-40% in 2000 to a dubious break even in 2004. Instead of an inadequate 3.8 million advantage in 2000, Bush went downtown, so to speak, with a seemingly staggering 6.8 million vote advantage over Kerry.

Remarkably, that was not going to be enough for a Bush win. Had Kerry maintained the Gore big city margin of 2000 with the 60% increase in turnout, he would have won the election easily, both numerically and in terms of electoral votes. And why wouldn’t he maintain that margin? Bush was indifferent to the big cities and there was little campaign activity there; the turnout increase in the NEP was huge, from 9.2 million to 15.2 million. These people must have been motivated. Kerry was on deck with a big bat against a weak opposing team.



Figure 5. Unprecedented! That’s the only word necessary to show the dichotomy of 2004 – Bush losing actual votes in his base, rural America, while gaining an exponential increase in big cities.


But something happened. The Urban Legend appeared in the form of a tidal wave of increased Bush support. While his rural, conservative, white, Christian voters were staying home or changing candidates, it seemed that his appeal to urban voters went off the charts. He increased from 26% to 39% of the big city vote total, from a 2.7 million total in 2000 to 5.9 million total votes in 2004. What was happening? The urban legend was born.

Who would have thought?

Who would have thought that the margin for the Bush victory would come from cities, particularly America’s largest cities, those with over 500 thousand people? In truth, it did because “it had to”. The red base, rural America, could not match its relative performance in 2000 relative to a 19% increase in the total vote. In fact, the base receded. Small towns showed major increases in turnout but that benefited Kerry; surprisingly, he broke even there. The suburbs were slightly improved but Bush turnout was not spectacular. The smaller cities, population 50 to 500 thousand, had only a 9% increase in turnout over 2000.

But voters were hitting the streets of the big cities, with a 66% increase in turnout. That meant only one thing as preliminary exit poll data was reviewed throughout Election Day: the end of the road for G.W. Bush.

According to the Exits Polls, something was happening in the big cities and it was happening in a big city way. For every 100 voters returning from 2000 there were 66 new voters showing up at polls to vote. Without any doubt, these voters were the most motivated block segment compared to a 9% increase in the smaller cities, a 19% in the suburbs and a decrease in rural turnout of 17%. Only the small towns, a much smaller segment, had close to this level of turnout.

Running behind his 2000 totals in his base area, Bush had little hope until the returns from the cities came in. The smaller cities had moved from a 57% to 40% split for Democrats in 2000 to break even in 2004. This was no slight accomplishment. Bush picked up 3.0 million votes over his 2000 total. Turnout for this segment was up only 1.8 million votes.

But that was nothing compared to the big cities. Here we have voters who are typically referred to as the core Democratic constituency. These were the people that the Democrats would always count on and who the Republicans used as surrogates to rally their mostly white suburban and rural base. Turnout was up 60%, the big city share of the national vote total was up 25%, but there was an entirely new voting pattern.

After four years of national struggle and focus overseas, inner city Americans came to the polls in record numbers, voted more Republican than before or since, and gave George Bush the necessary votes for his victory in 2004!

Is this Pattern Plausible or even Possible?

Accepting this strange event requires accepting that an election without any precedent occurred. The Democrats have seen retreats in urban turnout and vote share but these have never been accompanied by retreats in the Republican base area. The two phenomena just don’t happen in the same election. Democrats increased their votes in a diminished rural voting block, significantly improved performance in the small towns, and held close in the suburbs. They were taking three out of every five new voters around the country - but then we are expected to believe that they lost the election in the big cities after taking a similar beating in the smaller cities. This combination of events has never happened before in American history. It is unprecedented… and unbelievable.

An Urban Legend or a Potemkin Village

To understand the real explanation of the urban legend of 2004, we need to look for any election efforts aimed at big city voters. What stimulated the big turnout increase and what pushed returning or new voters into the Republican camp?

If this Bush urban wave actually materialized, you would expect a general and a proximate cause. The general cause would have come in the form of an issue(s) that moved voters to such a degree that they either they switched decades old party loyalty or candidate preference held sway over party loyalty.

The proximate cause would show up as big city activity focused on get out the vote (GOTV) efforts combined with advertising and major campaign events. Noticeable campaign efforts would have been essential. How could Bush make huge gains in admittedly hostile territory with out these efforts?

The general cause would have come in the form of a city-friendly charismatic Republican incumbent. We’d expect to see Bush in the cities laying on the charm, so to speak, and announcing a few high profile federal projects.

There is no apparent general cause for a shift in loyalties and voting in big cities. Unlike Ronald Reagan, who emphasized big city enterprise zones, Bush seemed indifferent to the needs of urban dwellers. Bush was not a city type of guy and rarely went to New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles for anything other than high level events. Not big on mixing with the masses, he demonstrated a clear preference for the solitary activity of clearing trees and brush from the Texas ranch he acquired just before the 2000 primaries. To the extent that 911 sensibilities may be considered, they seem to have been a far larger factor in the suburban than in the urban vote, at least as far as the exit polls indicate.

As for the proximate causes needed to turn opinion and attitude into an actual voting experience for the converted, they were certainly not evident. The Republican focus was always on ramping up the rural base and increasing the suburban vote. We found little if any comment in the Republican media machine about push polls, new programs for or special events in big cities to drive the vote. Bush gave speeches around the country, but you often needed a ticket to attend. Think back to any Bush big city rallies or events; rare and not a priority. Big city strategy was not a featured item in the 2004 Republican playbook.

How do we know this? To begin with, the core Democratic blocks in big cities didn’t change their votes according to the National Exit Polls. The NEP showed that black, Latino, and Jewish city voters went for Kerry at rates of 95%, 66%, and 80%.

The National Exit Poll gathers data each year on various campaign activities. The vital activity accompanying any significant vote increase is called GOTV - get out the vote. According to the NEP, only 1 in 10 urban residents contacted received Republican GOTV calls. Media buys in big cities were not even close to those in the suburbs where Bush only netted an extra 3% vote share over 2000, and campaign events for these urban groups were virtually non existent.

Scrutiny of the National Exit Poll was not the focus on election night. Hurried analysts looked at the vote totals coming in and offered explanations that we now know were not even remotely accurate. While we were told that this was a red-versus-blue election on November 7, it was also noted that Kerry’s GOTV strategy was working, based on increased votes/turnout. Senior analyst Charles Cook assumed that Bush made major inroads in black and Latino city voters but that assumption was not supported by the splits.

Then where did that Bush Urban Wave Originate?

There was a minimal Republican GOTV campaign in big cities and, in general, a minimal presence in the form of advertising and special events. Thus the basis for converting any shift in sympathy to Bush was lacking. Only the National Exit Poll, the revised edition the day after the election, had the special lens necessary to note surges of white big city voters who comprised the Bush victory margin. White voters had to account for the margin and the NEP analysts already knew that. There was no apparent general cause for a shift in loyalties and voting in big cities. The black, Latino, and Jewish voting blocks there had remained essentially unchanged since 2000.

For large urban areas, Latino votes doubled and went from 14% to 16% of the total vote compared to 2000. A small decline in absolute numbers, plus the increased Latino vote pushed the black urban share from 29% to 19% yet the national exit poll showed overall black turnout up 40%.

So the question remains: how do we account for the election winning Bush increases in big city vote share? We know that black, Latino, and Jewish voters in the big cities were strongly in favor of Kerry. The votes came from the only remaining big city voting block. There had to have been an unprecedented out pouring of white voters in large urban areas.



FIGURES 6 & 7. According to the NEP, white voters contributed less than 5 million votes to the big city segment in 2000 but almost 9 million in 2004. This is worthy of the term “surge.” They accounted almost exclusively for the increase from 2.3 million to 5.9 million big city votes for Bush from 2000 to 2004. Where did they come from? We may never know but they “won” the election.


The Nature of the Bush White Urban Wave

The white urban wave was shy, reluctant to show its true form and was perhaps a ghost in the machine. White turnout was supposed to go up as part of an overall increase. No one anticipated that it would materialize for Bush in the big cities in the way that it did. Nor does it help that these white voters were apparently “shy” about talking to pollsters.



Figure 8. The Black and Latino vote in big cities didn’t shift much from 2004. Bush lost big again. But he did much better among big city whites than his 2000 performance.


Where then did the Bush swing in the urban wave come from? The simple answer is that it was weighted into existence. The act of reconciling the exit polls to the official vote count created it. The Bush urban voters came into existence because they had to… otherwise the official vote count would be wrong.

Weighting is a practice used by the US Census, political consultants, public health officials and others who conduct large scale survey research. If you collect data on a population, Latino voting patterns in the 2004 election for example, and your data is unrepresentative of a subset of that population, you can weight certain responses by a multiplier greater or less than one to make your poll consistent with the population measured. The problem though is when weighting is used to reconcile polling data with a “known fact” that may not be known at all. The NEP assumes that the official vote total must be accurate and weights accordingly.

The impossible election of 2004

Generating the Bush urban wave was effortless. Only 10% of urban voters required a call. They were not required to attend rallies or watch television ads. In fact, many of them didn’t even need to vote. That was taken care of by the weighting process conducted when the national exit poll was found to be inconsistent with the announced vote tallies. After all, how could the unintentionally released Election Day NEP be right in showing a 3% Kerry overall victory margin when the vote tabulators showed a 3% Bush win? Rural Americans didn’t produce that margin. Neither did the small towns or the suburbs. Even the improvement in the smaller cities wasn’t enough. The big cities, according to announced totals, delivered the vote for Bush.

Never mind the fact that exit polling reported that 95%, 66%, and 80% of black, Latino and Jewish voters supported Kerry. Never mind the fact that these voters represent over 50% of the United States urban population. Never mind the fact that whites in big cities are the most liberal group of whites in the nation. Finally, never mind that the new voter findings nationwide showed a 3 to 2 advantage for Kerry and that 40% of the voters in the big cities were new voters.

If there were ever a campaign that ignored on-the-ground efforts in big cities while espousing positions opposed by many in those cities, it was the 2004 Republican presidential campaign Bush was a divider not a uniter who pitted rural and suburban citizens against urban dwellers using wedge issues: the Iraq war; anti gay marriage amendments; religion forced into competition with science; the refusal to conduct stem cell research based on religious views; and opposition to a living wage for the poor. Then there was the Bush signal of solidarity to white conservatives by refusing to attend even one NAACP annual convention or Martin Luther King Day celebration. Bush was AWOL for the black voters other than the sanitized White House events.

The Bush campaign focused its efforts heavily, almost exclusively, on the rural areas and suburbs in order to counter the anticipated big city Democratic margins. But then the miracle occurred just when it was needed. White ghosts never seen before emerged from parking lots, alleys and perhaps even graveyards in big cities across the country to give George W. Bush a stunning victory in the presidential election of 2004. It had to be this way, otherwise the vote count was wrong and who would tolerate such a notion, despite the clear signs on the ground and in the National Exit Poll? But the convenient and wide spread Red versus Blue story of election eve was maintained through inertia. For those with nagging questions, that story was replaced by the Urban Legend of 2004: Bush won the 2004 Presidential election in big cities.

The exit polls weighted a voting block into existence but the pollsters will have to work much harder to get anyone serious about the election to believe that those voters were found anywhere other than in weighting formulas generated to ratify the vote totals
At this point we have to believe two absurdities:

Bush lost a huge portion of his core constituency, rural America, which dropped from 23% to 16% of the overall vote total; yet he won the election. Rural citizens gave Bush 2.5 million fewer votes in 2004 than they contributed in 2000. In the small town segment, voting increased substantially and helped Kerry get to a break even point Yet Bush managed to be the only presidential candidate to win a high turnout election after losing his base; an election where overall turnout was up 16% overall but total presidential votes were down 17% in the rural base areas.

Bush won a huge increase in urban America, a place where Bush didn’t advertise significantly, where the GOTV effort was unnoticeable compared to Kerry’s, and where he was clearly an unpopular president; yet he won the election. For example, by 2005 50% of New Yorkers said that the federal government had “foreknowledge of 911” yet let it happen, he improved his vote count by over 20%. In the 32 big cities across America, he was able to piece together a remarkable increase in his vote from 2000 to carry him over the top and elect him President. We must believe this if we accept the final vote count as accurate. These cauldrons of hostility and suspicion about Bush paused on Election Day 2004, reflected, and suspended their animus at least when they voted.

It borders on the absurd to believe that Bush won reelection on the basis of this huge increase in big city votes and vote share from 2000 to 2004. We’re supposed to believe that he went from 2.3 million big city votes in 2000 to 5.4 million in 2004, a 153% increase. This artifact of the NEP’s weighting process is a dead letter that simply can’t be delivered. It strains the limits of credulity, although no one noticed or those who did weren’t talking. There was something very wrong with the NEP weighting process, specifically big city results. This is apparent from the analysis just completed. But there’s something much more troubling about the vote total.

And this is the problem

There have been heated debates on the internet regarding the outcome of the 2004 election. Much of the analysis focuses on the disparity between released and unreleased national exit polls. The mainstream media has not covered this controversy. Yet by August, 2006 more than half of Americans had expressed doubts that the 2004 results were fair and square according to a Zogby Poll of 1018 registered voters nationwide. (5) `

For this study, we chose the less controversial approach of using the final, revised exit poll with a focus on the stated purposes of the exit poll, who were the voters and where did they cast their ballots. Why not take the numbers the pollsters finalized the day after the election. Yet after careful scrutiny, we’ve shown that the NEP’s urban demographic data just don’t add up to even a remotely convincing explanation for a Bush victory. The data is clearly inconsistent, incompatible, and results in a conundrum rather than clarity about what happened on Nov. 2 2004. Doubt leads to disbelief.

And then there’s one more problem that casts doubt on the entire process. The NEP reports a 66% increase in voter turnout in the big cities, from 9 million votes in 2000 to 15 million in 2006. This provides foundation for the increases in Bush urban votes and percentages, even though there is no common sense or historical reason to believe such an increase in Bush votes ever took place, as we’ve demonstrated.

Now here’s the shocker. In addition to the analysis above, the 66% vote increase in the urban areas simply can’t be true on the basis of actual reports of big city vote totals. Why hasn’t this been widely discussed?

We have no idea but contradictory data exists which represents a huge problem.

While investigating the results of 2004, this inquiry asked about city specific results.

The response from a number of authorities was that these figures were difficult to find. Since counties reported totals; there was no one place that where a complete report of actual voting results for big city voting would show up. That’s true but data is available for 12 of the 24 big cities for 2000 and 2004 and it shows nothing close to a 66% increase in turnout. These cities represent 61% of the total big city population as defined by the NEP; 23 million of the 38 million total inhabitants of big cities in 2004.

Actual Big City Votes – 2000 and 2004
Official results reported by state and local boards of elections
These 12 cities represent 61% of the 2004 Big





Chart 1. The cities listed are all “big cities” as defined by the NEP, major urban areas with populations over 500,000. “Turnout” percentages represent the increase in votes for president from 2000 to 2004. They are the actual vote totals from the cities listed. They were obtained from either the city board of elections or the state board of elections.


The total vote for these 12 big cities in 2000 was 6.57 million and 2004 7.61 million. That represents a 16% increase in turnout. (6) This accounts for 61% of the big city population. The remaining 39% of the big city group would have required over a 100% increase in turnout to have a big city average of 66% the NEP claims.

We now have a double indictment of the 2004 NEP and a much larger question about the results of the election altogether. For over two years, the facts of the Bush victory have been on the table. On election night what was seemingly the best information on the election was ignored when the broadcasters announced a replay of election 2000, Red versus Blue, fundamentalists versus city voters. The story of the NEPs, the Bush Urban Legend, was there to see but only Charles Cook and a few others pointed the stunning events purported by the exit polls and they failed to take an in depth look to discover the shocking appearance of all those white ghosts.

We are unaware of any major controversy regarding the who voted where totals.

But now this. The explanation of the Bush victory margin through the 66% big city increase evaporates in view of this data. 16% is not even close to 66%. The 66% did not happen. All those white voters are phantoms, ghosts, artifacts born of necessity. There was no 66% increase in urban voting; but there was an increase consistent with the national average, about 16% based on actual voting data from the over 50% sample of big cities presented above.

Now, we’re left with the following mysteries.

How did the NEP get it so wrong on the urban vote? Was it simple expediency? They had an election to report. They had that 3% problem to handle, you know, the Kerry 51%-48% victory at the end of the day’s polling. There was very little time to handle it. The urban magic that Charles Cook extolled as a sign of Bush campaign genius was invented. It came to be because it was the only way the poll could match the reported results.

Why was there no analysis of the urban vote based on actual reporting? First, you’d have to really want to understand it. There is no neat package and people with expertise tell you it’s pretty much a lost cause. Yes it is if you’re doing derivative research. If you look around in the nooks and crannies, it’s there, at least enough of it to make an obvious inference, in this case that the urban vote was no different than the rest of the nation in terms of turn out. A 66% increase is utter nonsense.

The net result is this. Take the 9.2 million NEP estimated big city votes in 2000 and apply a 17% increase in turnout for 2004 and you get 10.8 million votes. Subtracting the 10.7 million actual votes and from the NEP claimed 15.2 million for the same segment leaves a 4.5 million vote gap.

Or take a different approach. Use the 12 cities above, 60% of the big city population, and generate estimates for big city totals in 2000 and 2004. You get a total of 12.93 million in 2004. The 12.93 million actual votes in 2004 are 2.35 million short of the NEP’s estimated 15.2 million big city votes.

Given either scenario, there are millions of unaccounted for votes. We haven’t even looked at those counter intuitive results for cities 50 to 500 thousand. What could this mean? How can we be so sloppy with our vote totals and the election results for our big cities? Why are big city data and results apparently not worthy of investigation and comment? Don’t look and you won’t have to tell. The only way a Bush victory makes sense, given his failure in rural America, is the addition of millions of votes to the urban centers, the impossible phenomenon.

Trying to find a Bush victory in 2004 leads you down a number of dead end streets. What happened to the rural vote? It was less as an over all percent of the national total and this segment provided less actual votes for Bush. What happened in the big cities? White votes were up from 5.0 to 9.0 million in one election; an 80% increase in white big city turnout.

One thing that we can no longer assume is that the election of 2004 produced the current occupant of the White House. In fact, the inability to show a logical path to the popular victory argues for a stance of informed scrutiny and intense skepticism.

If you believe 4.0 million new white big city voters showed up in 2004, you can believe the 2004 election results.

If you believe that Bush could conjure those new voters representing an 80% increase in white turnout over 2000 with just the slightest Get Out the Vote (GOTV) activity in big cities, you can believe the 2004 election results.

If you acknowledge that Bush lost votes in his political base compared to 2004, the rural segment, yet soared to victory on the basis of substantial gains in the urban areas, then you can believe that he was the truly elected president in November 2004.

Those elected must be able demonstrate that they won a majority or plurality of the votes cast. There is no room left for that scenario in 2004. In the end, we are left with only the Bush Urban Legend.

ARTICLE END – REFERENCES AND APPENDICES FOLLOW


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Please feel free to reprint this and distribute it with attribution of authorship and a link to this article in “Scoop” Independent News. We encourage a wide distribution of this material in all media.

Acknowledgments: Special thanks and appreciation are offered to Jonathan Simon, Jill Hayroot and others who reviewed this material and provided valuable comments. Also very special thanks to “Scoop” Independent News and Alastair Thompson for the ongoing leadership in their coverage of election and voting rights issues. A special debt is owed to the voting rights activists of the United States throughout its history. They give their time freely and risk hardship, injury, and sometimes death for our right to vote.

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References
1. The 2004 National Exit Poll, Edison-Mitofsky, 2004. 2000 National Exit Day Polls, VNS, 2000.

2. GOP Turns Out A Win By Charlie Cook © NationalJournal.com November 9, 2004
www.cookpolitical.com/column/2004/110904.php

3. Latest vote, county by county 2004 2000 USAToday. 11/16/2004 -Updated 01:14 AM ET
www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm

4. President makes peace offer to political rivals, Bill Nichols and Peter Eisler, USA TODAY Posted 11/2/2004 9:24 PM Updated 11/5/2004 7:10 AM
www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/president.htm

5. Zogby - Voters Question Outcome of ‘04 Election. Michael Collins. “Scoop” Independent News. Sept. 25, 2006 www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0609/S00346.htm

6. Elections for the following city/state election information resource.

California: Los Ángeles, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose
Statement of Vote by Political Division in Counties, California 2000
tinyurl.com/2tgaw3
Statement of Vote by Political Division in Counties, California 2004
www.ss.ca.gov/elections/sov/2004_general/ssov/pres_general_ssov_all.xls
Department of the Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk, County of Los Angeles, 2000.
www.chicagoelections.com/wdlevel3.asp?elec_code=120[br />Chicago Board of Elections, Chicago Presidential Results 2004
www.chicagoelections.com/wdlevel3.asp?elec_code=90

Davidson-Nashville, Tennessee
Tennessee Secretary of State 2004 Presidential Results
www.state.tn.us/sos/election/results/2004-11/index.htm
Tennessee Secretary of State 2004 Presidential Results
www.state.tn.us/sos/election/results/2000-11/index.htm

Denver, Colorado
David Leip’s Presidential Atlas. Presidential Election Returns 2000 and 2004
www.uselectionatlas.org/BOTTOM/store_data.php

Detroit, Michigan
Department of State, Wayne County Presidential Results 2000
miboecfr.nicusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/precinct_srch_res.cgi
Department of State, Wayne County Presidential Results 2004
miboecfr.nicusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/precinct_srch_res.cgi

Election Precinct Result Search (Wayne County, Detroit City). Michigan Department of State. miboecfr.nicusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/precinct_srch.cgi

Milwaukee, Wisconsin
City of Milwaukee Elections Commission Presidential Results 2000 - 2004
www.city.milwaukee.gov/ElectionResultsArchi15808.htm
www.city.milwaukee.gov/November720001754.htm

New York, New York
David Liep, Presidential Data, New York City
www.uselectionatlas.org/BOTTOM/store_data.php

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania Department of State, Elections Information 2000 - 2004
www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=15&ElectionID=2&OfficeID=1#Philadelphia

Washington, DC Presidential Election Returns 2000-2004
Washington, DC Board of Election s 2000 & 2004 General Election Results
www.dcboee.org/information/elec_2000/general_elec.shtm
www.dcboee.org/information/elec_2004/pres_general_2004_results.shtm

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APPENDIX ONE



www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

2004 Big Cities Smaller Cities Suburbs Small Towns Rural
Percent 13% 19% 45% 8% 16%
“NEP” Spread Sheet – our #’s

2004
Kerry 60% 49% 47% 48% 39%
Bush 39% 49% 52% 50% 59%
39% Rural is actually 39.4653% rounded = 40%
CNN


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www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html

2000 Big Cities Smaller Cities Suburbs Small Towns Rural
Percent 9% 20% 43% 5% 23
NEP Spreadsheet – our #’s

2000
Gore 71% 57% 47% 38% 37%
Bush 26% 40% 49% 59% 59%
CNN


***ENDS***


From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm

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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:00 AM
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1. K'nR Off to the Greatest with you! n/t
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:33 AM
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2. K & R!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:32 AM
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3. This is a Masterpiece!
Bookmarking for future reference!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:33 AM
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4. Now we're talkin'
This is a nice, easy read, based on some very basic graphs, that depict the utter magic show of the 2004 slaughter.

I worked my ass off for Kerry. I contributed to his legal fund set up to challenge ANOTHER stolen election. I encouraged others to do so. Then he folded that night while the numbers danced.

How many times does this information have to be repackaged and re-presented?

I don't know. But thanks for doing it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:59 PM
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19. And I thank Internet Poster Anaxarchos, who will come around hopefully.
He noticed the pattern and shared that and some very good advice with me.

The city performance, in light of his collapsing base, rip away any presumption of victory. In fact
that all points to a loss.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:49 PM
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32. Mark Crispin Miller says...
"By now, it should be clear to everyone that Bush & Co. stole their "re-election" in 2004-not only in Ohio but from coast to coast. That massive and unprecedented civic crime should now be clear to all Americans, because the evidence has been presented in a dazzling range of books and articles and documentaries, all of which have proven that the Bush regime has never been elected.

And yet the facts are still unknown to most of us, because they've mostly been denied, those crucial books and articles and films suppressed, both by the Democratic Party and the media, whose managers can't bring themselves to face the awful truth (or, in some cases, have colluded with the Bush Republicans). And so we've had to fight to let the people know what has been happening, and is now happening, to their democracy. That we will win this fight there is no doubt; and when we do, the people will, as usual, eventually decide to do what's right--but all of it depends on our continued efforts to disseminate the truth despite the silence of the whole Establishment.

In this necessary struggle Scoop, and Michael Collins in particular, have played a major role; and here again they have produced an indispensable report, which all who still believe in our democracy must read at once, then send out far and wide. "Urban Legend" offers still more solid evidence of a deliberate effort to distort the actual outcome of the presidential contest in 2004--a race that Kerry/Edwards won, and that Bush lost, because the red majority that putatively "re-elected" him did not exist."

- Mark Crispin Miller, June 13, 2007.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Michael Collins and Scoop get props from Mark Crispin Miller!
Very cool.

:woohoo:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:14 AM
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5. Whoa, great job! Charles Cook needs to read this and write some
articles on how wrong he was/eat his words. EVERYONE needs to see this!:thumbsup:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:19 AM
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12. Charles Cook...click on that link in the footnotes. It's fascinating.
He saw through the bogus red versus blue story because he actually read the exit polls. He shot from the hip, like we all do on occasion, when he assumed that Bush eroded big city ethnic groups. The ethnic distribution above shows not much difference from 2000 for the various groups, with the exception of whites and was available in the NEPs at the time.

Cook recently remarked saying something like "the only people who think that there is a question about the 2004 election are in the flat earth society." I find that ironic.

This is not secret code we're talking about here, it's really basic stuff that Jane and John Q Citizen can understand:

when you lose your base, the rural voters, and gain big in your opponents strongest segment, a group that you've offended, how do you expect people to believe that you were really elected president?

Thanks for your interest.



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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:33 PM
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42. Indeed, autorank, I can understand it. We was ripped off! n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #42
58. You know, I'm now saying the following in correspondence...

"The absurdity of Bush taking enough extra votes in the big cities to win the presidency after
falling down in red rural America is a concept that John and Jane Q Citizen can understand quickly
and draw their own conclusions."

If you didn't use that name (unless you are indeed that man) the linen would not be nearly as good.

Here's a URL for a great looking word doc. Please pass it around liberally.

There is NO copyright on this, we encourage people to send it everywhere that they can...and print off a few copies to send to your senators and house member.

Say hello to Jane!

:toast:

Word doc - no restrictions on distribution or accurate reproduction.

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004TheUrbanLegend.doc

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:19 PM
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78. We noticed that red states became purple in 2004, even though purple states turned red
according to the FINAL COUNT. That was impossible. It says that the vote manipulators left the red states alone because they were certain they would stay red, while they concentrated their theft on purple states they feared going blue, so they ramped up the theft tactics and maneuverings and manipulated their way into making those states full-on redder in 2004 than 2000's red states.

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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #12
54. Posting for ease of re-finding when I have access to a printer;
I find it really hard to read something this long on a computer screen.

But am I right that the heart of it is, Vote totals in the cities were tampered with?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:33 AM
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59. File for Word doc

I understand. We just want it out in as many ways as we can.

Here's the URL for Urban Legend

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004TheUrbanLegend.doc

Here it is for Bigger than Watergate II

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004BiggerThanWatergate.doc

Enjoy and pass them around, feeely! Post them, if you feel like it.

The Scoop news site presentations are great, really easy reads.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm




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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 03:22 AM
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124. Not exactly tampered with. They were WEIGHTED into existence!
That's indirect evidence of tampering (probably machine fraud), but that isn't the point of the article. The weighting was done to reconcile the final exit polls with the reported vote tally. The article points out that weighting is sometimes done in large-scale polls and surveys like the census, but it's only valid when you know the final number of whatever you are attempting to measure (like the final vote count) is accurate. Then you can assume that your smaller sample (in this case, the exit poll) was anomalous for some reason.

But what if your final number is NOT accurate? Then weighting just adds votes that don't exist! That's what happened in 2004. It's almost funny how the pundits came up with absurd seat-of-the-pants theories like the "reluctant Bush responder" to explain the embarrassing discrepancy between the earlier exit polls (projecting a 3% win for Kerry) and the final tally showing a 3$ win for Bush.

What is so beautiful about this article is that it proves the Republicans ended up ascribing Bush's "win" to a population that not only did not exist, but COULD NOT exist! Why? Because they simply didn't have a choice.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:23 AM
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6. Kick.
:)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:25 AM
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7. This Deserves More Than A K & R
Amazing work, hope it gets traction
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:40 AM
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60. Thank you so much!


We'll push it until it does. :hi:

Election 2004: The Urban Legend
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm

Election 2004: Urban Legend Word doc
http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004TheUrbanLegend.doc

Bigger than Watergate II Word doc
http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004BiggerThanWatergate.doc



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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:39 AM
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8. WOW!
Off to the list servs and other contracts. EXCELLENT WORK, Auto!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:11 AM
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9. kicking!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:15 AM
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10. K 'n R
Mind blowing effort - thanks so much.:toast:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:30 AM
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11. kick
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:27 AM
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13. Sh!T ! San Francisco did NOT go bigger for Junior in 2004!
I'm printing this out and sending it to my peeps in our county government because we have OpScan and this is bullsh!T!

Argh!

K&R

:mad:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:44 AM
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61. You go! They have no good way to show that they won.

We don't have to show that they lost...we get to chose when we lose faith in the system.
Not being able to show that they won is a reasonable place to start losing faith.

We need a Cyber Tea Party - toss the stupid machines in the trash!

:hi:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:27 AM
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14. This is worthy of national publication.
Just a tremendous piece of work.

:yourock::yourock::yourock:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:31 PM
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17. Thanks and it's all just sitting there, no magic code required.
:yourock:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:34 AM
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15. What about sending it over to OpEdNews? Is that cool, Al?
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:00 PM
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20. It's there, both of them, but tats very cool. Send it to your lises;)

Did you know that Bush won by dropping way down in his rural base (2.0 million less votes than 2000) and kicking ass in the “big cities” (500k>). He got 153% more big city votes in 2004 than 2000…he’s such a city kinda guy… and white voters were up from 5 million in 2000 to 9 million in 2004 (please, I can’t stand it;)

Bush lost votes and voter share in his base, he gained heavily in hostile territory – THAT’S NEVER HAPPENED IN OUR HISTORY. That Republican magic!

…oh, 66% turnout increase in the big cities… (and Cheney’s a Progressive;)

Based on available facts, no math degree required. But we better have an INVESTIGATION!

DU thread Urban Legend http://tinyurl.com/2bwwcp Bring a friend;)
DU thread “Bigger than Watergate” – althecat’s comments on stolen elections & Urban Legend (great stuff, he’s on a roll) http://tinyurl.com/33llfj

And PLEASE get this “Scoop” Story out to every one you know who cares about fair elections.

Scoop 2004 Election: The Urban Legend http://tinyurl.com/2pj6ge

IMPORTANT NOTE: Publication of this story marks a watershed in American political history. It is offered freely for publication in full or part on any and all internet forums, blogs and noticeboards. All other media are also encouraged to utilise material. Readers are encouraged to forward this to friends and acquaintances in the United States and elsewhere.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #20
77. "Republican magic", I guess that's what happens when "god is in the white House."
Impeach, indict, imprison. The whole damned rotten lot of them in the White House must go.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:24 PM
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16. K and R Great Work!
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:41 PM
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23. Thanks Clay! We'll keep going, make this into simpler articles for the public at large
...:toast:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:38 PM
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18. K & R!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:01 PM
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21. K & R - superb & devastating
nt
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:06 PM
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22. k&r, and bookmarked
any plans for a special delivery to the Honorable Congressman Conyers?

:)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:51 PM
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24. Thanks for the thread althecat
Kicked and recommended
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:57 PM
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25. K&R.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
26. More brilliant investigative reporting...
sending on to friends and foes. :applause:

Big K & R :kick: :kick: :kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #26
62. Do send it out.. Here are doc file links.. We have no restrictions on accurae
reproduction so go for it. he more copies, the merrier.

Maybe all the big lies will be uncovered soon. They must if we're to have any form of
public consent.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 02:08 PM
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27. I stand in awe of you and this article... I have questioned
why odds makers in Vegas and Zogby got it so wrong....
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
28. K&R.
"I'm a dancin' machine..."

autorank, you forgot how much big cities are against gay marriage. That's what won it for L'il Commander Cootie. :sarcasm:

Did you send this to RFK Jr.?

:hug: Thank you Sir auto.

Thank you althecat!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
43. I have been sending it all over..... but not to RFK Jnr. yet....
Dunno of Autorank has yet.

If anyone has an address they can pm me I will keenly write a personal note.

RFK Juniors piece on ohio - linked in the article - is fantastic and reccommended reading for all.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:12 PM
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47. I used the AAR/Ring of Fire contact info, his staffers do respond
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:47 AM
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63. Hey Roj...

Thanks for coming by. When do we get another foreign/military policy lesson.

Election 2004: The Urban Legend
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm

Election 2004: Urban Legend Word doc
http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004TheUrbanLegend.doc

Bigger than Watergate II Word doc
http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004BiggerThanWatergate.doc

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:01 AM
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64. I have a power supply problem with my laptop, I'm borrowing a mac right now
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 01:33 AM by FogerRox
I'm on a low budget for internet time this week.

I appear to be on a an IEC fusion kick these days:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8301617273665558256

Oh yeah, Kn R & bookmarked
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:29 PM
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29. k&r
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:33 PM
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30. great article, bookmarked and a big nom.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:35 PM
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31. It all comes down to: B*sh didn't win, and everyone knows it. recommended.
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paulkienitz Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:21 PM
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33. or... the cities are where most of the Diebold machines are.
That might explain a lot.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:35 PM
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34. K...n/t
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:38 PM
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35. I knew it was stolen that night. I have been waiting all day to
reccomend this thread.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:34 PM
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37. This is an excellent article/ work of analysis.
I'll walk printed and CD copies over to Feinstein's office Friday along with a critique of her new voting bill.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:31 PM
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38. Here are Miami's totals:
Edited on Wed Jun-13-07 08:35 PM by Patsy Stone
Miami-Dade 2000 (click on 11/07/00 County-Wide): http://elections.miamidade.gov/ele_arc.html
Miami-Dade 2004: http://elections.miamidade.gov/resources_2004results.asp

And here's Broward (Ft.Lauderdale): http://www.browardsoe.org/Elections.aspx?type=past

I'm still reading this fantastic piece, I'll be back.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:40 PM
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39. This was magnificent.
Very easy to understand, and no tin foil required.

:patriot: :thumbsup:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:14 PM
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40. A request of the authors or others
It would be really great to have a one or two page executive summary to pass out, with links to the full article. This needs to be widely distributed.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:44 PM
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45. That sounds like a mission for Autorank.....
You are right. We do need an executive summary...

SLUDGE'S NUTSHELL VERSION IS...

The Urban Legend In A Nutshell

Over the past few months America has been exposed to a seemingly never-ending cascade of evidence concerning Bush's Brain Karl Rove's efforts to suppress minority and working class vote.

On election night 2004 TV screens across the world bore testimony to the results of his meddling.

The huge queues to vote in some minority and inner city precincts saw people waiting 10 hours or more to vote – Ohio was particularly bad - but it happened in many key urban areas. It was accompanied throughout the country by race based voter suppression and voter disenfranchisement. In Florida nearly 700,000 ex felons are barred from voting, in Virginia 200,000; simply for having a felony on their record.

The Urban Legend uncovered by Michael Collins and detailed in his report is simply this.

According to the official election night results and the official exit polls (the most extensive ever conducted in the history of elections) it was these queuing voters from the core of America's largest cities who elected George W. Bush.

An extract from Michael Collins report:


" The Bush campaign focused its efforts heavily, almost exclusively, on the rural areas and suburbs in order to counter the anticipated big city Democratic margins. But then the miracle occurred just when it was needed. White ghosts never seen before emerged from parking lots, alleys and perhaps even graveyards in big cities across the country to give George W. Bush a stunning victory in the presidential election of 2004. It had to be this way, otherwise the vote count was wrong and who would tolerate such a notion, despite the clear signs on the ground and in the National Exit Poll? But the convenient and wide spread Red versus Blue story of election eve was maintained through inertia. For those with nagging questions, that story was replaced by the Urban Legend of 2004: Bush won the 2004 Presidential election in big cities."
So please ask yourself:

If Karl Rove Bush and the USAs were so busy disenfranchising urban minorities as fast as they could, how can the above "official story of Election 2004" be remotely possible?

CLICK HERE TO READ:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm
Michael Collins: The Urban Legend".

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:18 AM
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66. OK, I just did one that fits on two sides of an 81/2 x 11 sheet
Expanded on what you did. I used 10pt Arial in the text boxes and 11pt Times New Roman for the body, and Verdana 14pt for the title. 1" side and 0.9" top margins. Free for the taking, and change it however you like.

Executive Summary of The Urban Legend of 2004

Over the past few months America has been exposed to a seemingly never-ending cascade of evidence concerning Karl Rove's efforts to suppress minority and working class vote.

On election night 2004 TV screens across the world bore testimony to the results of his meddling.

The huge queues to vote in some minority and inner city precincts saw people waiting 10 hours or more to vote—Ohio was particularly bad—but it happened in many key urban areas. It was accompanied throughout the country by race-based voter suppression and voter disenfranchisement. In Florida nearly 700,000 ex-felons are barred from voting, in Virginia 200,000; simply for having a felony on their record.

The “Urban Legend” uncovered by Michael Collins and detailed in his report is simply this.

According to the official election night results and the official exit polls (the most extensive ever conducted in the history of elections) it was these queuing voters from the core of America's largest cities who elected George W. Bush.

The full article is at http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm

Excerpts from the Collins report—

The Bush campaign focused its efforts heavily, almost exclusively, on the rural areas and suburbs in order to counter the anticipated big city Democratic margins. But then the miracle occurred just when it was needed. White ghosts never seen before emerged from parking lots, alleys and perhaps even graveyards in big cities across the country to give George W. Bush a stunning victory in the presidential election of 2004. It had to be this way, otherwise the vote count was wrong and who would tolerate such a notion, despite the clear signs on the ground and in the National Exit Poll? But the convenient and wide spread Red versus Blue story of election eve was maintained through inertia. For those with nagging questions, that story was replaced by the Urban Legend of 2004: Bush won the 2004 Presidential election in big cities.


So please ask yourself—if Karl Rove, Bush and the US Attorney Generals were so busy disenfranchising urban minorities as fast as they could, how can the above "official story of Election 2004" be remotely possible?

Where then did the Bush swing in the urban wave come from? The simple answer is that it was weighted into existence. The act of reconciling the exit polls to the official vote count created it. The Bush urban voters came into existence because they had to—otherwise the official vote count would be wrong.

Weighting is a practice used by the US Census, political consultants, public health officials and others who conduct large scale survey research. If you collect data on a population, Latino voting patterns in the 2004 election for example, and your data is unrepresentative of a subset of that population, you can weight certain responses by a multiplier greater or less than one to make your poll consistent with the population measured. The problem though is when weighting is used to reconcile polling data with a “known fact” that may not be known at all. The NEP assumes that the official vote total must be accurate and weights accordingly.


Curiouser and curiouser—

Generating the Bush urban wave was effortless. Only 10% of urban voters required a call. They were not required to attend rallies or watch television ads. In fact, many of them didn’t even need to vote. That was taken care of by the weighting process conducted when the national exit poll was found to be inconsistent with the announced vote tallies. After all, how could the unintentionally released Election Day NEP be right in showing a 3% Kerry overall victory margin when the vote tabulators showed a 3% Bush win? Rural Americans didn’t produce that margin. Neither did the small towns or the suburbs. Even the improvement in the smaller cities wasn’t enough. The big cities, according to announced totals, delivered the vote for Bush.


For this study, we chose the less controversial approach of using the final, revised exit poll with a focus on the stated purposes of the exit poll, who were the voters and where did they cast their ballots. Why not take the numbers the pollsters finalized the day after the election? Yet after careful scrutiny, we’ve shown that the NEP’s urban demographic data just don’t add up to even a remotely convincing explanation for a Bush victory. The data is clearly inconsistent, incompatible, and results in a conundrum rather than clarity about what happened on Nov. 2 2004. Doubt leads to disbelief.

And then there’s one more problem that casts doubt on the entire process. The NEP reports a 66% increase in voter turnout in the big cities, from 9 million votes in 2000 to 15 million in 2006. This provides foundation for the increases in Bush urban votes and percentages, even though there is no common sense or historical reason to believe such an increase in Bush votes ever took place, as we’ve demonstrated.

Now here’s the shocker. In addition to the analysis above, the 66% vote increase in the urban areas simply can’t be true on the basis of actual reports of big city vote totals. Why hasn’t this been widely discussed?


Well now, many Democrats might say—why go on about 2004 when we retook the House and the Senate in 2006? If the election system is crooked, how could we have done that? An obvious answer was that the Republicans failed to suppress and/or steal enough votes to stop that outcome. If that is the case, the Democratic victory ought to have been even larger than it was, and there is some evidence that it may well have been.
http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/landslide_denied_exit_polls_vs_vote_count_2006

There is an unfortunate tendency of Democratic officeholders, particularly those in comfortably majority Democratic districts, to think that if they got elected what could possibly be wrong with the process? Leave well enough alone. However, Republicans have absolutely no inhibitions about being “sore losers,” or even sore winners. The US Attorney General scandal now unfolding will absolutely not stop them from their efforts to suppress the votes of Democrats.

It is more than past time for grassroots Democrats to insist that Democratic officeholders stop being WEAK ON DEFENSE—defense of their own voters and of the integrity of the election process. There must be an end to secret, unauditable software and the very notion that any private company has the right to own any data about election process whatsoever, now!


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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:51 AM
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67. excellent indeed.... read your pm...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:31 AM
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92. This is great, really excellent. Thanks!!! You beat me;) n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:09 AM
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68. eridani, You're correct. This is the broad case.

That's next and your will shall be done;) I need time to catch up on my Readers Digest and
sleep for a bit, but soon and you'll be one of the fist to know. Thanks for coming by!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:45 PM
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103. Eridani' executive summary - now posted here - please knr
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:29 PM
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41. I wish I could recommend this a hundred times - and even more, that I could
make enough people in this country SEE what really happened that they will get off their rear ends and get to the telephone and computer and to meetings and marches. Bush has NEVER been elected President of this country, he has only seized power in a criminal coup and has progressively destroyed our country in every concenivable way.

Thank you, autorank. (Yes I know you are standing on the shoulders of giants, but thank you very much all the same.)

K & R (only once but with fervor)
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:43 PM
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44. K & R & Bookmarked for later. eom
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 10:28 PM
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46. Kudos to Al and Mike: Pitbulls of Freedom!
Man, it's taken a long time to sniff out and piece together
the full picture of the rat we all smelled right off the bat
in the early morning hours of 11/03/04

I worked my ass off too, for a few months
until, being the math-challenged right-brainer I am
the election forum descended into the kind of
probability studies and statistical analysis
(thanks TIA)
that I couldn't make heads or tails of,
much less follow
and impossible for me to be any real help with

But you guys have done it
you smelled the rat-fuck
and were tenacious enough to sniff the fucker out
(Kudos to Brad Friedman along those lines too)

So now that we've understood how exactly how it was done,
How do we fit it into a sound bite
that we can spread to the general public

Somebody figure that out
and I can go back to work with it
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:13 PM
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48. Cool.... No. 1 On Greatest... A Good Place To Be...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:14 PM
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49. Catherine Austin-Fitts Expands her praise for Michael Collins & Scoop
http://www.solari.com/blog/?p=143

Scoop Media is my top source for news on current U.S. government and political events. Yes, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal have far more writers and more resources. Yes, the London papers have Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, John Laughland and a few other greats. Yes, Sam Smith - writing from the slimey bog of Washington, D.C. - has the funniest, most insightful editorials.

However, when it comes to the deeper US news, such as the truth of 911, $4 trillion missing from US coffers or voter fraud in the 2000 and 2004 Presidential Elections, it is Scoop that meets the most important standard of excellence. Scoop has no material omissions — an omission being that which George Orwell properly described as the greatest form of lie.

http://www.solari.com/blog/?p=143

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:21 PM
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50. Jonathan Simon's complete remarks....
Possible Lead-Ins to Mike's Urban Legend Piece

Scoop asked Jonathan to put together a few words to introduce "The Urban Legend" most of them can be viewed at:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00164.htm#a

The full email from jonathan is below:

********

Please feel free to use any or all of the thoughts below (and edit to taste).--Jonathan

     Well it's been 30 moons or more since we last corresponded, and that was in the wake of this great big election theft that the poohbahs were in such a hurry to explain away, when you picked up that preliminary early-morning analysis of the unadjusted EPs just about at the same time Kerry was conceding. Things have not gotten better, to put it mildly. I don't know whether you have been keeping score at home, but "Landslide Denied," which told the grisly truth about E2006, was of course buried alive by the MSM. I've attached it in case it has never found its way to you through whatever back channels have been open to it, and it is also posted at our website www.ElectionDefenseAlliance.org. And there are of course several books in print: Steve Freeman's Was The 2004 Election Stolen?; Mark Crispin Miller's Fooled Again; Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse; to name just a few. Election integrity advocates have not been idle and the movement is growing toward critical mass.    
     Now Michael Collins has added substantially to what we know about the chilling reality of E2004, numbers that don't add up to a legitimate election no matter how they are sliced. His "Election 2004: The Urban Legend" is a blockbuster, an analytical romp through the oddest numbers that were never brought to light, never questioned. And boy is there ever something wrong with this picture.
     Many will demur that when it comes to election theft, looking backward is a waste of time. The results aren't going to change. Get over it. But those of us who hope to live to see electoral democracy restored to the United States know that looking back is as important as it is unpleasant. Indeed it is terrifying--and it is critical.
     If we were to ask a person to give up their 10 favorite foods because one day they might have a heart attack, we could count on low compliance. But let them have a heart attack and it's suddenly a very different story. So it is with election theft: American democracy has had a heart attack, a silent heart attack, and it needs to make substantial changes in its way of conducting elections and counting votes if it is to survive. Half-baked, easy changes have of course been proposed. But the changes that are really necessary are more demanding: they demand, among other things, more public participation in our democracy, and vigilance over this critical aspect of it, than we are accustomed to.
     It is clear to us as advocates that the necessary changes just won't happen if the heart attack remains silent and the public remains unaware. "Election 2004: The Urban Legend" is an EKG that tells us just how dreadfully serious the illness is and just how precarious our situation. I suspect that anyone who takes the time to read it (and goes on to further explore the stunning and ugly forensics of recent computerized American elections) will change their diet from that day forward and put themselves enthusiatically at their democracy's service.--Jonathan Simon (Co-founder Election Defense Alliance; author "Landslide Denied")

******

Cheers Jonathan

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:21 PM
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51. Thank you for an oustanding post, althecat! KBR77 or so...
I'd always wondered how the heck Bush managed to get more votes than he had in 2000.

he guy lost then and he lost in 2004.

No Bush ever got ahead fair and square.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:25 PM
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52. Applause
:applause:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:29 PM
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53. I don't get it. Why study the exit polls when you can study election results.
Polling has a margin of error and the election results poll every voter. Why did someone use the exit polls for an inferential analysis like this, with all the problems of margins of error, when a descriptive statistical study can be done without margin of error?

I have not read the entire article yet, but I'm sure wondering about methodology already. Apparently, conclusions are based on exit polling.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:08 AM
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74. yeah, that's a problem
It's accentuated here because the national subsample isn't designed for the purpose of estimating turnout and vote share in big cities. Statistically, this is a real problem, because the 'clumpier' a variable is -- the less variation within precincts -- the less efficient a cluster sample is. Of course there is no within-precinct variation for "big city," so basically we have about two dozen precincts to estimate across a lot of cities. The pollsters could constrain that table to match the official count, but obviously they don't.

It seems to me that people who proceed on this intellectual trajectory aren't particularly interested in using the data to locate the fraud; they are satisfied with trumpeting that they've found evidence. So, apparently, they can look at a table from a weighted crosstab, say that it requires an implausible 66% increase in turnout in the big cities (I'm happy to agree that that's implausible), and feel that they have proven something. Apparently it doesn't especially matter what.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:18 PM
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75. Indeed. it seems like a big, "Look what I found." Where's the work finding the fraud?
The election results by precinct have been available for years. Time to get to work already.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:51 PM
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55. HELLO! "Media buys in big cities were not even close to those in the suburbs"
Where is this coming from? Unless I'm living on another planet, we watch the same media in the city as they do in the suburbs, read the same newspapers, get the same radio stations. I'd like to see a few sources for some of these speculations.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:51 PM
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56. Wow. It brings it all back.....
Those horrible days, it was hard to believe it, but it was so obvious to anyone who was really paying attention.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:01 AM
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57. kick
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:07 AM
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65. hey althecat! *waves*
I remember how devastating it was after the election - and how the media scoffed at the "tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists" who cried foul. Peter Jennings was downright derisive, and Al Franken was too. Very disappointing.

You did a lot of research on this, I remember. I did some too, took part in the recount, but got so depressed about it I had to take a break from it all (my nic used to be "Chili," I had a website were I collected all the election fraud and recount articles). Had to stop for my own sanity.

It's a double-edged sword being vindicated now.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:39 AM
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69. K&R, and bookmarked to print out later.
Congratulations, Autorank, for an absolutely breathtaking analysis. FINALLY, we have clear and convincing proof of the great election heist of 2004.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:43 AM
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70. Great work!! Too late to recommend....but I still recommend this!!
This spells it all out very nicely. Thanks for all the hard work you have put into this!

:kick::kick::kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:57 AM
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71. PROBLEMS: The methodology employed lacks credibility
First, the article presents interesting material which may warrant further study.

Second, the methods are problematical. A lot of material is stitched together and conclusions are drawn as if they are reliable. They are not.
The margin of error issue when dealing with any polling or sampling seems to be entirely ignored.

At best, this study suggests that the exit polling was flawed and points to several avenues of investigating that issue with reliable methods.

At worst, this study will become an urban myth and detract from studies employing reliable methods without margins of error.

Useful factual data can be found in this spreadsheet:
Comparison: 2000 and 2004 Presidential Election Results
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/spreadsheets.html
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:43 PM
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79. HA HA HA HA, heh heh hee hee!!!
Hoo hoo hoo, hehehe! Oh man, that's rich.

Reality has a way of trumping methodology. That's too bad sometimes, but it does. I'd say that's the difference between the "planets" some folks choose to live on, to answer the rhetorical question you posed earlier upthread.

Will the numbers crew who regularly appear on DU in an attempt to disprove fraud and confuse matters further please now prove to me that water is wet? I'm not too clear on the matter! :D

:rofl: Sorry, L. Coyote, OTOH, Febble and the rest. I really should be thanking y'all for the years of entertainment. :rofl:

God bless you.

Can a "fucking enormous chart" be far behind? :rofl:

And don't forget to toss in some "blahblahblahblahblah" and a condescending insult or twelve. Bring the whole gang! Bring them right here out in the open so we can get an accurate head count! :rofl:
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:48 PM
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80. projection much?
You seem to have the condescending insults pretty well under control.

But L Coyote actually did some work.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:07 PM
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81. Hee Hee!
Right on cue! :rofl: :rofl:

Call the gang! :rofl: "Come on down!"
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:01 AM
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89. Speaking of methodolgy, you certainly have one.
Your post does not merit further comment.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:38 PM
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98. But you couldn't completely resist my charms.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:17 PM
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88. How and why are the methods problematical?
Specifics, please. Prior discusssion of the meaning of the NEP results has focussed on whether the raw data were weighted correctly or not. This study is different precisely because it assumes for the purposes of discussion that the weighting was correct. It then focuses entirely on where and who cast votes in 2004, and demonstrates clearly that this data does not correlate with actual tabulated voting patterns.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:07 AM
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90. There is no accounting for margins of error.
With the exit polls, everything is plus or minus about 3 percent to a specific degree of certainty. It is inferential statistics, so the sample may or may not be correct, and we express the degree of likelihood that the sample is a true reflection of the whole population with a margin of error. This article wholly ignores the fact that it is dealing with inferential statistics, and treats the poll results as facts. They are just inferences, in the first instance. This is just one problem. There are others.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:21 AM
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91. It treats the WEIGHTED poll statistics as facts--
--and then demonstrates that this assumption leads to total absurdities. Therefore the initial assumption that the weighted poll stats are accurate has to be wrong. (Surely you remember doing that in high school geometry.) For one thing, the weighted exit poll stats showed a 66% increase in voter turnout in large cities, but the actual increase was more like the 16% observed in other parts of the country. Hint--66 minus 16 is a number one hell of a lot bigger than 3.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:21 AM
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95. This is why inferential statistics is problematic
It is inference with a confidence level, and not necessarily fact. This demonstrates my point. Sometimes the inference is blatantly wrong. That is why it is expressed using a confidence level. We say, in inferential statistics (a college class having little to do with high school geometry, albeit employing geometric representations of ideas), that we are 95% confident or 99% confident an inference is true given variable sample sizes of a population. It is like tossing coins. We can be 99% confident that we will have 50% heads and 50% tails, plus or minus 3%, given x tosses of the coin. If x equals ten, we have very little confidence, and as the number of tosses increases (or percentage of a population sampled) the confidence rises. However, there is always the possibility that chance will result in 45% heads and 55% tails, a result outside the confidence level.

So, huge surprise, sometimes polling produces false results. This is why those doing studies of inferential statistical results need to account for margin of error, and blatant error too.

And, this is why people studying election fraud are spinning their wheels if they focus on polls, especially in light of the fact that every member of the population has been polled, in that every voter has cast their vote and it is reported (albeit, not necessarily as cast). The election fraud researcher can study voting results instead, and then the only margin of error is the error in counting the votes as cast. That error may be detectable if proper methods are employed.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. the $64K question is: so what?
The weighted poll stats are inaccurate, therefore what?

Have you looked at the "early" exit poll results? They have the same 13% in big cities. Did anyone on Election Night look at the early results and say, "Wait, there are too many voters in big cities, Kerry must be stealing the election"? Why not? What is the argument? The final and early exit results agree (rightly or wrongly) that Bush's biggest pickup was in the big cities.

The whole point of exit polls is to help explicate the election results, not to stand in for them.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. Except that the notion that Bush gained in large cities is preposterous
Every anti-Bush minority is more heavily represented in large cities, which also have the most liberal collection of white people. The exit polls therefore have a perfectly idiotic explication of the results, which was the point of the article.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #100
105. not really
It's perfectly clear that Kerry did best in large cities. Weighted exit polls, "early" exit polls, official returns, common sense all concur.

Weighted exit polls and official returns also concur that Bush did better in big cities in 2004 than in 2000. The exits (and probably the official returns) indicate that Bush also did better in small cities, suburbs, and rural areas.

The exit polls don't "have a perfectly idiotic explanation of the results." Polls don't have explanations. They're an information source. Some people looked at the exits and saw security moms; some saw values voters; some claim to see an urban legend. Whatever. But if you look at the exits and see massive miscount, then I want to know where you think the massive miscount occurred. The map is not the territory.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. A 66% increase in turnout in the cities is an idiotic result
Derived from the weighted data and made nonsense of by the official returns.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #106
118. eridani, as I've pointed out elsewhere, that isn't true
The supposed "66% increase in turnout in the cities" already appears in the returns before they are weighted to the official returns. See for yourself. (The time stamp on this is messed up, but the same percentage appears in the PDF here.

I thought the whole gripe about the weighted data was that they do match the official returns, not that they don't! I'm not being glib; that's a really fundamental point here. If someone is thinking that somehow the only way to weight the exits to the official returns was to put lots and lots of voters in big cities (of all places!?), well, that certainly isn't true. Whatever the official returns say about Bush/Kerry big city/small city/rural(etc.), it would be trivial to weight the national subsample to match.

But the question remains: what apparently made the NEP model think that there were so many big city voters? Most likely that's just a problem with the model (or something else we haven't pinned down yet), but it could conceivably point to some other anomaly in the count. That anomaly evidently doesn't apply in the aggregate, since the OP does establish (in case there were any doubt!) that big city votes really weren't up by 66%.

So, again, the immediate mystery is why the exits -- the early exits as well as the final weighted version -- don't match the official returns as to where the votes came from.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #105
109. On the one hand you say that the purpose of exit polls is to explicate...
On the other hand you point out that they do not explicate the result...

Meanwhile the fact that the NEP does not explicate the result is in fact the whole point...

....

I have posted some questions for you in the other thread after answering the one you continue to ask here as if to pretend that we do not have an answer when we do.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #109
119. huh?
"On the one hand you say that the purpose of exit polls is to explicate..."

If you actually quoted me, I might have some clue what you are trying to say.

At any rate: the exit polls provide data; people interpret the data. One might say that the purpose of the exit polls is to help people explicate the result. (Or, more cynically, to give the media sponsors things to say about the result.)

"Meanwhile the fact that the NEP does not explicate the result is in fact the whole point..."

Defining your terms might help, too. If that is actually the whole point, then evidently you concede that your article has nothing to do with a case for fraud. But since you don't concede that....

Maybe you will make more sense in the other thread.
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:04 AM
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72. SHOW ME ! Where this can be anything but a Smoking Gun!
Great Job, Michael !!

I thought there was something a bit odd about the official explanations!!

Perhaps I'll step through Alice's Looking Glass and see what the Queen of Hearts has to say.

Anyone seen the Mad Hatter? Oh, right. In the West Wing, no?





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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. How about showing that it is?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #76
122. How about we have transparent and verifiable elections
so we don't all have to be Nancy fucking Drew with a dozen doctorates to figure out what's going on with our votes?

:kick:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:12 AM
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73. Outstanding work once again. Thank you for a tireless effort on the nation's behalf.
:patriot:
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:32 PM
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82. Bushco flipped 1.5% of the vote*.
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 03:48 PM by CJCRANE
That's all they needed to do. Take 1.5% from Kerry and give it to Bush. This article seems to be a step on the way to figuring out how they did it.

(BTW this happens all the time in elections all over the world. The trick is to degrade the opposition's vote total by any means necessary - suppressing opposition voter registration, intimidating opposition voters and making it physically difficult to vote in opposition areas, spoiling or destroying opposition ballots, flipping opposition votes - but only by the smallest margin possible to achieve a majority thus making it more believable).

*On edit: A simple way of illustrating this:

Say we both collect 50 apples. Then you take one of my apples. I now have 49 and you have 51, two more than me.
(I.e. a flipped vote is two for the price of one).
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #82
93. InOhio, we have the example of a blietzkrieg attack on democracy


There were so many ways that democracy was denied in Ohio 2004 it boggles the mind.

That should be the basic case study for election fraud.

We took the official 'story' of 2004, the revised national exit poll and found that it made no sense.
It's a shame that the full timers out there paid to do this didn't take the time to at least look at
the details. It was all there since the day after the election.

We hope others get motivated and do some more work in this area.



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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:27 PM
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83. Good morning - Day 2 In NZ....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Althecat And MCM On Radio at 5.30pm live...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. Ok... delayed 10 mins.... (in the meantime listen to this)
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 04:41 PM by althecat
Ok... delayed 10 mins.... (in the meantime listen to this)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00187.htm

Its very cool.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. Mark Crispin Miller & Althecat Audio Stream Now Available
Kate Gorgeous IV Scoop's Alastair Thompson & Mark Crispin Miller on US Election Fraud

RDU Audio: RDU's Kate Gorgeous talks to Scoop co-editor Alastair Thompson about the latest investigative expose uncovering how the GOP stole the 2004 US presidential election.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00191.htm
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:56 PM
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87. Donkey kick.
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #87
94. Nice mule n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. Stubborn, too.
You should see my ass. :kick:
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:44 PM
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99. Friday night kick n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. Hello friend...
I wrote this with you in mind.

Did Bush Commit Election Fraud (2)

I'd meant to contact you and time just flew in terms of deadlines etc. But you will appreciate it.

The Milwaukee Democratic Party web site ran it on their front page, what an endorsement!

:toast:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. Hail fellow well met....
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #102
107. ...i'f been down town.

Looking around for these guys..

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. ...spot the differences....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #108
110. I do have a question. Who is that smart ass ghost, bottom right, with his tongue out.?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #110
112. My guess would be...
Thats OTOH. Was very clever of the photog to get him at that particular moment.

:)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #108
116. There's a nude one to the left.
And I like the "wake up and smell the coffee" sign.

When I first saw the image I was struck by the similarity to the 9/11 images of the plumes billowing through the streets.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #107
114. Rats... your pic link won't display for me
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #101
117. I'm flattered...
I did see the original post and the fact that Milwaukee Dem party posted it.

While there is some corruption and glad handing in Milwaukee and state politics... for the most part Wisconsin's politics just lean toward the conservative (I think it's the farmer in us, slow to change). In 2004 "a not to change horses in the middle of the stream" attitude was prominent. Being in a "war" as qualified by some, you do not change sitting Presidents. (not a "Tower of Power" reference... heh.) The "Pub's" worked that.

As an aside: The rural population would not dis the war nor its sitting President, IMO, in disbelief the the administration would not be square with them and an almost superstitious way not to jinx service men in harms way. The rural populace here has high concentration of youngsters either in the guard or regular army.

Intimidating voters was a race issue and localized to Milwaukee
2004 ended the way it it did here because of progressives and damn good public radio IMO.

I will say this... since then, in my travels through out this state.... people are frustrated, angry and reaching out to "other side" (as idiots like "O'Liely"like to phrase it) and mending fences in ways I have not seen in over 25 years.

AS away, thanks for your hard work... both you and Al.




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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #117
128. Cool....
:)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:47 PM
Response to Original message
104. FOR DISTRIBUTION: Executive Summary of The Urban Legend of 2004
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:20 AM
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111. another kick
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:32 AM
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113. Outstanding work
Here's to Mike & Al :toast:



:kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #113
115. Cheers I'll have a cold one for DU GD
And all the great folk that congregate here :)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:02 PM
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120. kick!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:07 PM
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121. brilliant compilation of data
:toast:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:38 AM
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123. Kick.
:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:51 PM
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125. Sunday kick. (nt)
:kick:
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:01 PM
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126. A link to the ongoing ER thread seems appropriate:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:17 AM
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127. Good idea
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 02:36 PM
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129. Track Back: Scoop referrer logs sample - The Urban Legend (20/6/07)
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 02:54 PM by althecat
167: http://www.bushwatch.com/
97: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
89: http://www.911blogger.com/node/9323
64: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/23624
45: http://www.solari.com/blog/
40: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/13/84955/1485
33: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1101847
32: http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
32: http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
26: http://911blogger.com/node/9323
25: http://bushwatch.com/
24: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/13/84955/1485
22: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4682
19: http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/06/late-breaking-news-on-election-2004.html
19: http://www.bushwatch.org/
18: http://www.bushwatch.net/
18: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.football.college/topics
17: http://www.bushwatch.net/bush.htm
16: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=taxonomy/term/4
13: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=
12: http://www.solari.com/blog/?p=143
10: http://solari.com/blog/
10: http://electionfraudnews.com/
9: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node&from=20
9: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/althecat/19
9: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x474094
8: http://smirkingchimp.com/
7: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1101847&mesg_id=1101847
7: http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000637.html
7: http://www.bushnews.com
7: http://www.hotpotatomash.com/
7: http://www.cannonfire.blogspot.com/
7: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_michael__070613_2004_electoin_3a__the_.htm
6: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1101804
6: http://www.bushwatch.com/bush.htm
6: http://www.google.com/reader/view/
5: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_michael__070618_election_2004_3a_the_u.htm
5: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=167
5: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/althecat/18
5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1116754
5: http://www.bushnews.com/
5: http://www.bushwatch.com
5: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4694
4: http://www.gnn.tv/threads/25853/Election_2004_The_Urban_Legend
4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1102374&mesg_id=1102374
4: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164371
4: http://www.haloscan.com/comments/rawstory/6449a/
4: http://bushwatch.org/
4: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.football.college/tree/browse_frm/thread/c17ed705578dcff1/d29a02d64f06ea71?_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.sport.football.college%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fc17ed705578dcff1%2Fd29a02d64f06ea71%3F&
4: http://tinyurl.com/2pj6ge
4: http://www.hotpotatomash.com/2007/06/bush_urban_lege.html
3: http://www.mikemalloy.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=50927
3: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_michael__070613_sludge_report__23177_3db.htm
3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1102374
3: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=167&F=1389
3: http://populistindependent.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=360
3: http://www.colboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=25198
3: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/13/0623/68223
2: http://www.astroworld.us/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=637
2: http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/8092
2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1101847&mesg_id=1108255
2: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.football.college/tree/browse_frm/thread/c17ed705578dcff1/d29a02d64f06ea71?hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.sport.football.college%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fc17ed705578dcff1%2Fd29a02d64f06ea71%3Fhl%3Den%26&hl=en
2: http://911truthnc.blogspot.com/
2: http://messages.yahoo.com/Government_%26_Politics/By_Country_or_Region/United_States/Politics/threadview?m=tm&bn=18066891%23americasbecomingafasciststate&tid=119475&mid=119475&tof=2&frt=2
2: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=167&F=1389&T=622070&STO=pagestart
2: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org
2: http://www.theforum.com/showthread.php?t=93856
2: http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=113693
2: http://www.bloglines.com/myblogs_display?folder=42826158
2: http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/opedne_michael__070613_sludge_report__23177_3db.htm
2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x474092
2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user&saz=inbox&ssaz=show_mesg&m_id=2171347
2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1116754&mesg_id=1116754
2: http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17018&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40
2: http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv1-adbe&p=Election+2004%3a+Urban+Legend
2: http://www.smirkingchimp.com/rss.xml
2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=203&topic_id=474094&mesg_id=474356
2: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=2004+turnout+figures+for+usa+elections&meta=
2: http://www.yoganandaji.org/board/showthread.php?p=24213#post24213
2: http://www.crisispapers.org/
2: http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/topics_election_2004_bigger_than_watergate
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 03:26 PM
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130. Google "The Urban Legend" "Michael Collins" - 64 Results
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:30 AM
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131. Not bad!
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132. Diffusion cartograms make those sorts of red/blue maps more informative.
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