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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 11:59 PM
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NYT: U.S. ARMING SUNNIS IN IRAQ TO BATTLE OLD AL QAEDA ALLIES
U.S. Arming Sunnis in Iraq to Battle Old Qaeda Allies
By JOHN F. BURNS and ALISSA J. RUBIN
Published: June 11, 2007

BAGHDAD, June 10 — With the four-month-old increase in American troops showing only modest success in curbing insurgent attacks, American commanders are turning to another strategy that they acknowledge is fraught with risk: arming Sunni Arab groups that have promised to fight militants linked with Al Qaeda who have been their allies in the past.

American commanders say they have successfully tested the strategy in Anbar Province west of Baghdad and have held talks with Sunni groups in at least four areas of central and north-central Iraq where the insurgency has been strong. In some cases, the American commanders say, the Sunni groups are suspected of involvement in past attacks on American troops or of having links to such groups. Some of these groups, they say, have been provided, usually through Iraqi military units allied with the Americans, with arms, ammunition, cash, fuel and supplies.

American officers who have engaged in what they call outreach to the Sunni groups say many of them have had past links to Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia but grew disillusioned with the Islamic militants’ extremist tactics, particularly suicide bombings that have killed thousands of Iraqi civilians. In exchange for American backing, these officials say, the Sunni groups have agreed to fight Al Qaeda and halt attacks on American units. Commanders who have undertaken these negotiations say that in some cases, Sunni groups have agreed to alert American troops to the location of roadside bombs and other lethal booby traps.

But critics of the strategy, including some American officers, say it could amount to the Americans’ arming both sides in a future civil war. The United States has spent more than $15 billion in building up Iraq’s army and police force, whose manpower of 350,000 is heavily Shiite. With an American troop drawdown increasingly likely in the next year, and little sign of a political accommodation between Shiite and Sunni politicians in Baghdad, the critics say, there is a risk that any weapons given to Sunni groups will eventually be used against Shiites. There is also the possibility the weapons could be used against the Americans themselves....

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Americans officers acknowledge that providing weapons to breakaway rebel groups is not new in counterinsurgency warfare, and that in places where it has been tried before, including the French colonial war in Algeria, the British-led fight against insurgents in Malaya in the early 1950s, and in Vietnam, the effort often backfired, with weapons given to the rebels being turned against the forces providing them. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of the Third Infantry Division and leader of an American task force fighting in a wide area between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers immediately south of Baghdad, said at a briefing for reporters on Sunday that no American support would be given to any Sunni group that had attacked Americans. If the Americans negotiating with Sunni groups in his area had “specific information” that the group or any of its members had killed Americans, he said, “The negotiation is going to go like this: ‘You’re under arrest, and you’re going with me.’ I’m not going to go out and negotiate with folks who have American blood on their hands.”...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/world/middleeast/11iraq.html?hp
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:12 AM
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1. Gee, there's a new idea that could have only come from the genuises at BushCo
And we know we can trust them not to use those weapons against us, because they "pinky-sweared" they wouldn't.

I can't count the number of ways that this is incredibly stupid. Nor will anyone bother to count the number of American soldiers who will die because of this colossal fuckery.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:19 AM
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2. Hehe. Didn't we arm Osama
to fight off the Russkies? Funny how those guns have a way of forgetting whom they are supposed to be shooting at...
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:35 AM
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4. THAT'S an apt reminder! nt
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:03 AM
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3. The last quoted paragraph in the OP is asinine
The military knows that providing weapons to breakaway rebel groups is not new and has often backfired in the past (Afghanistan, anyone?)...so they're just not arming any Sunni groups that have attacked Americans.

WTF? That makes about as much sense as turning your car towards a concrete wall, gunning the engine, and crossing your fingers.

Then again, it makes PERFECT sense if the aim is a protracted and bloody occupation.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 06:04 AM
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5. CNN just reporting this story on-air -- and said they had John Burns on earlier. nt
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:50 PM
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6. kick
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