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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:22 AM
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What is the difference between someone holding a sign
that says something inflammatory, like 'Thank God for Dead Soldiers' at their funerals and Bush having the authority to order henchmen to destroy a child's testicles?

No difference, both are bullshit. Both are done with malice and are contemptible acts IMO, even having the authority to do so, be it free speech or fascism in the name of national security.

Just really pissed off tonight.

I'm so sick of the bullshit.

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:26 AM
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1. A rec
there's nothing to add to what you've said.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:27 AM
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2. www.icasualties.org shows the truth
Yes, the morale in America is at an all time low.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:29 AM
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3. Did I miss something?
What is this about bush ordering a child's testicles destroyed?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:33 AM
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4. Same here. What did I miss?
And surely there's a big difference between that and holding a sign. :shrug:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:36 AM
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5. Sorry, these two threads.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:40 AM
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6. One of the 'legal experts' Bush got his Hitler Theory (unitary executive) from says this:
that Bush has the authority to order the torture of a child in custody, including by the crushing of his testicles--the kid's, not Bush's testicles.

Bush Advisor Says President Has Legal Power to Torture Children

By Philip Watts

01/08/06 "revcom.us" -- -- John Yoo publicly argued there is no law that could prevent the President from ordering the torture of a child of a suspect in custody – including by crushing that child’s testicles.

This came out in response to a question in a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel.

What is particularly chilling and revealing about this is that John Yoo was a key architect post-9/11 Bush Administration legal policy. As a deputy assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, John Yoo authored a number of legal memos arguing for unlimited presidential powers to order torture of captive suspects, and to declare war anytime, any where, and on anyone the President deemed a threat.

It has now come out Yoo also had a hand in providing legal reasoning for the President to conduct unauthorized wiretaps of U.S. citizens. Georgetown Law Professor David Cole wrote, "Few lawyers have had more influence on President Bush’s legal policies in the 'war on terror’ than John Yoo."

This part of the exchange during the debate with Doug Cassel, reveals the logic of Yoo’s theories, adopted by the Administration as bedrock principles, in the real world.

Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

The audio of this exchange is available online at revcom.us
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:44 AM
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7. OK, I read the threads about Bush's right to torture
But how can you compare it to holding an offensive sign? I've had a little wine tonight so maybe I'm missing the sarcasm. I hope so.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:48 AM
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8. No sarcasm, they seem to me to be evil acts.
I'm kinda fucked up right now too, so I don't guarantee anything I type will make sense. Well, okay anything I EVER type will make sense.

I just don't see why people do it. It can't be healthy to think that way.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:54 AM
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9. But think of the old expression
"sticks and stones may break my bones (or balls for that matter), but words (or signs)" ....

I forgot how the rest goes, but you get the idea
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:05 AM
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10. I dunno, standing next to the graves of fallen soldiers
with a sign that says, 'They Died because God Hated Them'. Wow. Okay I guess so if that is your cup of tea.

Sick. Like three guys beating a gay man so hard that his face is disfigured sick. America is sick.

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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:08 AM
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11. Not my cup of tea
But neither is the KKK holding up their hateful signs.

But the First Amendment is my cup of tea. And that means people have the right to express offensive language.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:39 AM
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15. I still can't see how these idiots holding up signs compare to three guys beating a gay man
so hard that his face is disfigured.

The signs only show their ignorance but leave no physical wounds.

The beating not only shows tremendous ignorance, but it leaves drastic wounds.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:10 AM
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12. Dude, just watch this for a while.
:D

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm

You can even help squeeze him through bubbles. :smoke:

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:12 AM
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13. Oh yes!
Thank you, thank you, thank you...

Fall you bastard!

:evilgrin:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:16 AM
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14. I like to fling him to the side at blazing speeds until he bashes his head on a bubble.
Look for 'first-person shooter' games in 2009. :evilgrin:

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:09 AM
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16. There is a rather notable difference between saying "Kill them all " and actually
Edited on Fri Jun-08-07 03:10 AM by ConsAreLiars
sending in bombs and butchers and slaughtering a million or so. One deserves public ridicule and contempt, the other an eternity of pain and suffering.

(edit typo)
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