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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:59 AM
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65 Years Ago Today 4June 1942 Battle Of Midway
U.S. Attacks on the Japanese Carrier Striking Force, 4 June 1942 -- Overview
While their aviators flew back from Midway, the Japanese carriers received several counterstrikes from Midway's own planes. Faced with overwhelming fighter opposition, these uncoordinated efforts suffered severe losses and hit nothing but sea water. Shortly after 0700, torpedo attacks were made by six Navy TBF-1s and four Army Air Force B-26s. Between 0755 and 0820, two groups of Marine Corps bombers and a formation of Army B-17s came in. The only positive results were photographs of three Japanese carriers taken by the high-flying B-17s, the sole surviving photos of the day's attacks on the Japanese carriers.

Meanwhile, a tardy Japanese scout plane had spotted the U.S. fleet and, just as Midway's counterattacks were ending, reported the presence of a carrier. Japanese commander Vice Admiral Chuichi Nagumo had begun rearming his second group of planes for another strike on Midway. He now had to reorganize that, recover the planes returning from Midway and respot his flight decks to launch an attack on the U.S. ships. Nagumo's force barely missed having enough time.

In the hour after about 0930, U.S. Navy planes from the carriers Hornet (CV-8), Enterprise (CV-6) and Yorktown (CV-5) made a series of attacks, initially by three squadrons of TBD torpedo planes that, despite nearly total losses, made no hits. The sacrifice of the TBDs did slow Japanese preparations for their own strike and disorganized the defending fighters. Then, at about 1025, everything changed. Three squadrons of SBD scout bombers, two from Enterprise and one from Yorktown, almost simultaneously dove on three of the four Japanese carriers, whose decks were crowded with fully armed and fueled planes that were just starting to take off. In a few minutes, Akagi, Kaga and Soryu were ablaze and out of action.

Of the once-overwhelming Japanese carrier force, only Hiryu remained operational. A few hours later, her planes crippled USS Yorktown. By the end of the day, though, U.S. carrier planes found and bombed Hiryu. Deprived of useful air cover, and after several hours of shocked indecision, Combined Fleet commander Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto called off the Midway operation and retreated. Six months after it began, the great Japanese Pacific War offensive was over.




This page provides an overview of U.S. attacks on the Japanese carrier force. For images of these attacks, see:

Midway-based Torpedo Attacks on the Japanese Carrier Striking Force, 4 June 1942;
Midway-based Bomber Attacks on the Japanese Carrier Striking Force, 4 June 1942;
U.S. Carrier Planes Disable Akagi, Kaga and Soryu, 4 June 1942; and
Hiryu Bombed, Abandoned and Sunk, 4-5 June 1942.

For links to views of other aspects of the Battle of Midway, see:
Battle of Midway, Overview and Special Image Selection.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/midway/mid-4.htm


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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:06 AM
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1. A key victory in the fight against fascism
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 11:06 AM by davepc
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:06 AM
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2. It was a Sunday, and many people fought it in dress whites.
May the torpedo bombers rest in peace.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:47 AM
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9. The Battle of Midway was a four day affair that...
started on a Thursday.

The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor on a Sunday



;)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:51 AM
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11. Right, and on that Sunday, they wore their dress whites. nt
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:15 PM
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21. Even Bluto wore a dress white toga and fought gallantly that day
Nobody accused him of being yellow that day.



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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:28 PM
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25. It provides a contrast with the generals playing war and wearing combat fatigues in the Pentagon. n
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:01 PM
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31. Indeed, and I've always found that odd...
and to further demonstrate that contrast, back in my days, this dumb draftee really felt out of place when I made my monthly visits to Division headquarters wearing fatigues, the uniform of the day in my camp. Even the professional (albeit a short-timer), I always polished my boots.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:14 AM
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3. The Pacific War was over at that point....
... ever wondered what would have happened if we just left it at that? Yamamoto knew it was the end of the war.

The Japanese lost control of the Pacific at Midway, and it would have taken years to rebuild, if at all.

No Iwo, Tarawa, Philippines, Okinawa, kamikaze, etc. etc....

Maybe the US should have concentrated on Europe at that point.

Nope... the US wanted to punish the Japanese for Pearl Harbor. How many Americans died... and how many Japanese... after the war really really ended in 1942?
Just for revenge.

Just thinking.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:24 AM
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4. Funny, it still seemed to be raging at Leyte Gulf in '44.
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 11:24 AM by Tesha
> The Pacific War was over at that point....
>
> ... ever wondered what would have happened if we
> just left it at that? Yamamoto knew it was the end of the war.

Funny, it still seemed to be raging at Leyte Gulf in '44.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

"The Battle of Leyte Gulf, also known as the Second Battle of
the Philippine Sea, was the largest naval battle in modern history. "

Tesha
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:53 AM
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12. I've been reading about Leyte lately. Started with Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors....
and Little Ship Big War.

Not directly about Leyte, but show what a huge engagement it was in time and geography.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:08 PM
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17. Taffy 3
The escort carriers were sitting ducks for the big guns of the center force
commanded by Kurita, with the super battleship Yamato.
They did manage to inflict a lot of damage and sank the CVE USS Gambier Bay, along with the
destroyers and destroyer escorts, Hoel, Johnston.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:29 PM
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26. The History Channel did one of those computer reinactments of what Taffy 3 did.
I found the graphics really helpful.

Kind of like those aerial shots of sailing races that trace where the boats have gone. You can see the strategy.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:06 PM
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14. Leyte Gulf
The only time that ship 'guns' sank an aircraft carrier USS Gambier Bay was lost at
8:55AM 25October, when the Japanese 'center' force broke through the Sibuyan Sea.

With some newer ships and the older US Battleships getting revenge
by what is known as 'Crossing The T' during the night of 24October in the Surigao Straight.

Also during that battle 2submarines the Darter and Dace sank 2 heavy cruisers and damaged
another before the battle began.

The super battleship the Musashi was sunk that day by planes from the 3rd fleet Task Force 38
Admiral Halsey
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:32 AM
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5. And the Japanese would have continued to occupy all that territory
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 11:33 AM by neverforget
in China, SE Asia, the Philippines and other smaller Pacific Islands.

The Germans were defeated at Stalingrad too. The Russians should have just quit also......:sarcasm:
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:46 AM
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7. It was not "over". It was the turning point.
Japan still controlled the western Pacific and had occupied the Dutch East Indies, the Philippines, Malaysia, Burma, Korea, China and many more. And they were still a threat to India and Australia. It wasn't a question of punishing. It was a matter of liberating. This was one of the few times that the results of war ended up to be a good thing for everybody who survived.

If you want to find fault, then question our cutting off the supply of oil and steel to Japan which precipitated their offensive in December 1941. Or question whether Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to happen to bring public opinion around to favor war against the Axis.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:46 AM
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8. Ask the Koreans, Philipinos, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. I'm sure they'd be thrilled...
...to still be under the boot of Imperial Japan.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:07 PM
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16. It's impossible to say what conditions would be today.
> Ask the Koreans, Philipinos, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. I'm sure they'd be thrilled...
>
> ...to still be under the boot of Imperial Japan.

It's impossible to say what conditions would be today. As I
recall, conditions in China changed a little bit in 1949,
so it's not unreasonable that such an event would have
occurred had the Japanese retained control of Eastern
Asia. They certainly weren't winning any friends at the
time in any of their conquered countries.

Tesha
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:00 PM
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13. Midway
Although the 'Turning point' in the 'war'
It was far from over
The Japanese had control of the Marianas, Phillipines and all the oil in the Dutch East Indies etc..
and was still a real threat.
During the Guadalcanal campaign, with the Battle of the Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz
that is when Japan lost a lot of well trained pilots, which they never recovered from.


The US always had a 'Europe First' order, with Gen Marshall and Admiral King following that
strategy.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:22 PM
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23. Yeah, I'm sure Tojo and his fascist buddies would of just thrown in the towel
if only we asked them nicely.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:35 AM
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6. My grandfather was there
he was in the Army Air Corps, repairing radios and radar equipment. He had some great stories about that day, and many others.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:51 AM
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10. Here's a link to the recent ALL HANDS article about the battle:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:06 PM
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15. this was one of the greatest intelligence coups ever...
There were circumstances as well, that some would call the hand of Providence showing itself.

Knowing that the Japanese were about to attack Midway, through receptions and deciphering of of J25, the code being used at the time, and a little covert action on the part of Naval Intelligence, the Fleet was directed to a point where attacking the Japanese was a viable option.

As luck would have it, Nagumo had ordered his attack aircraft to be fitted w/torpedoes and armor piercing bombs to attack the American carriers. Fully fueled bombers and torpedo planes on a deck stacked with conventional bombs to be dropped on Midway, made the Imperial Navy the best target for carrier forces attacking them. Within minutes, the major carriers of the Imperial fleet were in flames and on their way to going to the bottom. Timing, luck and good intelligence stopped the Japanese juggernaut. From that time to the end of the war, w/very few exceptions, the Japanese Navy was fighting a defensive war; one they were assured of losing because of the lack of natural resources.

Both sides knew, the war in the Pacific was now merely a matter of time and blood.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:09 PM
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18. And that Henry Fonda! What a commander! ;-) (NT)
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:10 PM
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20. midway movie
Charlton Heston was better!!! :rofl: :rofl: :sarcasm:

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:23 PM
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24. Worst part about that movie is that they had to throw that
insipid "romance angle" in there...x(

When I watch WWII documentaries, I am happy...Hollywood finds FAR too much fiction to add to make a movie "palatable"...

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:32 PM
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29. Better or worse than the 'romance' scenes in "Caine Mutiny?" nt
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:49 PM
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30. LOL......"it was the stawberries"...then again I'm glad there were
no "romance" scenes in "Das Boot"...:D
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:30 PM
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27. I couldn't get over them wearing polyester blend shirts, etc. DREADful flick.
Why would a real navyman like Glen Ford have anything to do with that lousy movie?

Money, I guess.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:45 PM
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35. It didn't do justice to the remarkably brave men who went
into that battle. Torpedo 8...these guys had balls...and they paid dreadfully for it.

But, because of them, the dive-bombers could do their work, their sacrifice won the battle. Strange how battles often workout that way, luck, timing and above all sacrifice.

Midway changed the entire course of the Pacific Theater, and the Japanese took their first defeat on a massive scale. From that point on, the Allies were assured a victory, although few realized how much blood would be spilled to obtain that victory.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:18 PM
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22. ..."Problem is, I want that last carrier..."
:D

:hi:
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:09 PM
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19. Torpedo 8
This squadron off the Hornet gave one of the greatest sacrifices in history. All but one were killed. And they all knew that they were sitting ducks before the battle even started. The TBD was old, slow and lightly armed (it was the Navy's first carrier monoplane). If they had no fighter escort to help draw the fire they were doomed. The incredible part was that their failed attack drew all the Zekes down to sea level and allowed the SBDs to come in almost unopposed.

They should be remembered forever.

Lt. Commander John C. Waldron, commanding officer, KIA
Lt. Raymond A. Moore KIA
Lt. James C. Owens KIA
Lt.(jg) George M. Campbell KIA
Lt.(jg) John P. Gray KIA
Lt.(jg) Jeff D. Woodson KIA
Ens. William W. Abercrombie KIA
Ens. William W. Creamer KIA
Ens. Harold J. Ellison KIA
Ens. William R. Evans KIA
Ens. George H. Gay WIA
Ens. Henry R. Kenyon KIA
Ens. Ulvert M. Moore KIA
Ens. Grant W. Teats KIA
Robert B. Miles, Aviation Pilot 1c KIA
Horace F. Dobbs, Chief Radioman KIA
Amelio Maffei, Radioman 1 KIA
Tom H. Pettry, Radioman 1 KIA
Otway D. Creasy, Jr. Radioman 2 KIA
Ross H. Bibb, Jr., Radioman 2 KIA
Darwin L. Clark, Radioman 2 KIA
Ronald J. Fisher, Radioman 2 KIA
Hollis Martin, Radioman 2 KIA
Bernerd P. Phelps Radioman 2 KIA
Aswell L. Picou, Seaman 2 KIA
Francis S. Polston, Seaman 2 KIA
Max A. Calkins, Radioman 3 KIA
George A. Field, Radioman 3 KIA
Robert K. Huntington, Radioman 3 KIA
William F. Sawhill, Radioman 3 KIA
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:31 PM
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28. They named a bunch of DEs after them. nt
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:08 PM
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32. Just days before Pearl, Yamamoto said...
Just days before Pearl, Yamamoto said, "If we do not achieve victory within the first six months of the war, we will have lost everything." Midway happened within days of the six-month mark.

While I do not consider it the turning point of the war (Pacific, or the war en toto-- take your pick), I do view it as one of the most dramatic and thus, exciting battles of the war.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:19 PM
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33. I loved the movie as a kid.
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Cruzan Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:39 PM
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34. The British documentary series Battlefield repeatedly made the
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 04:41 PM by Cruzan
point of just how much the American victory was due to shear luck, e.g. the Japanese not radioing back the position of U.S. ships, U.S. scout planes on the very edge of their search patterns just managing to spot the Japanese fleet, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_%28documentary_series%29
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:46 PM
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36. Ill take luck....
any place I can get it!
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