We need to get this forum kicking.

[Drunken Irishman]

I can't go back into GD: P, because of the crap being flung around there. But this forum is pretty dead, any way we could get people to post in here instead of GD: P?

[mrgorth]

1. I'm in here brother

I decided GD-P was bad for me. Unfortunately, I'm more of a lurker these days.

[Hazelrah]

2. how about this.

My little sister just started her first year at Temple U (Philadelphia), this will also be the first year she is eligible to vote. Over the years I discussed politics with her but it never seemed to make a dent. I think high school distracted her or maybe is was the fact that she was too young to vote ;).

Anyway, there was a Obama event in Phila last week with Kal Penn and I called her at school and told her about it and suggested, as only an older annoying sister can, that she should check it out. She said that she would *try* but I assumed in was the younger sister brush off.

Well, I sent her this email today (see how I annoy)
If you haven't registered to vote in Phila, please do so as soon as possible. Looks like the
obama/clinton battle is coming to PA and every vote will count.
I already signed up to work for their campaign in my neighborhood. :)

This was her response
*hazel_rah* what do you take me for? i totally registered to vote at the obama thing... speaking of which, i totally heard kumar speak. jealous? i know you are. hehe. anyways. i was pissed about clinton. uuugh.

I love my little sister. :hug:

On a side note: I work and live in the Philly burbs and of all the Dems I know voting in the primary election only 1 is leaning toward hillary (and I'm gently working her in our direction).

[City Lights]

7. Good work, hazel_rah! Keep at it.

:hi:

[Inuca]

8. "totally" cool :-) n/t

[Hazelrah]

20. I'm just glad she stopped saying everything was "hot"

I think we have a bizarre mini-generation gap. I would say something was "cool" and she would reply "yes, it's totally hot".
To me "hot" meant sexy and to her it meant "cool". Drove me crazy. ;)

me: "the iphone is cool"
her: "totally hot"
me: "wait... what?"

grandma pipes in: "23 skidoo" - takes off

me and her: "what?" :shrug: :)

[City Lights]

3. I check in here on and off throughout the day. I find myself clenching

my teeth when I spend any time in GDP. My jaw and my head end up hurting. :-(

[Drunken Irishman]

4. I haven't been in there since about the time polls closed in Vermont last night.

[thoughtcrime1984]

5. I would like to spend my time here as well

The Hillary people are entirely too smug and disingenuous as a whole. I don't like getting into online fights, and would rather have meaningful discussion with Obama supporters only, at least for now.

[pearl]

6. Count me in folks

Yes, I agree we need to make this forum work for us. I am weary of this bloody war among dems and am heartsick and feel a real loss of a forum DU that has been my survival these last 7 years.
I'm going out for coffee but will be back later.

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living" Mother Jones

[Luftmensch067]

9. I'm here when I'm not in the JK forum!

A very nice place, as well. :-)

[K Gardner]

10. I'm here. I can't go into GD:P. I'm having a hard time watching anything but

a few minutes of TV. But I donated again yesterday.

What has driven me "underground" again is the media coverage. Although I don't know why I'm surprised at it, I saw it coming. From the time HRC started her attacks to the time she made the SNL comment at the debate, I knew she had changed the dynamic of the coverage. From where I sat, there was no "Fair" Obama coverge, if there was any at all, from that point on. With her accusations and appearances on late night shows, she redirected the coverage to her and away from Obama. It worked. I think Obama countered the attacks, but unfortunately, there was little coverage of this. Certainly not enough.

Also, why was Texas immediately counted a WIN WIN WIN for Clinton when the caucuses weren't even counted? Isn't the ENTIRE process a Primacaucus.. the caucus is included.. so why the jubiliation and total NONCOVERAGE of the caucus results. There still isn't any coverage of it. On top of that, MSNBC has been HillShilling since two days before March 4.

So, I'm disgusted. And I'm biding my time and waiting for things to even out a bit. I think the media will get sick of covering Clinton and the pendulum will swing back, but we cannot deny their influence and we are powerless to do anything about it.

I won't go back into GDP. It serves absolutely no purpose. As for how I feel about this whole MESS, well, that's another post entirely that I'm not quite ready to write yet. :hi:

[Drunken Irishman]

11. Good to know I'm not the only one.

Haven't watched anything on the news, but my mom keeps me updated. My mom is optimistic about this. She was the one who told me Obama won more delegates out of Texas than Obama and how Russert really went after her on that bullshit "for all I know..." line.

So she's my buffer for the press. :D

[K Gardner]

13. I found some really good articles on other sites and just posted them

in GDP, but I can't bear to read the garbage over there. Looks like the "euphoria" has worn off a bit, at least on the net, or the shock has worn off. People are starting to renew their call for her to bow out.

I haven't had the TV on but for sporadically, but I don't believe much has been heard from Obama except via surrogates. I don't think that's entirely a good thing. I hope he gets his voice and face out there, front and center, like she did. But in a GOOD way.

:hi:

[Kukesa]

12. Solace! Oasis! Haven!

I didn't know this group existed. Duh.

How nice to get away from GD-P. Those folks are giving me a headache and a heartache.

I agree, let's kick it up a notch.

And, please don't hate me because I'm a Buckeye.

:hi:

[K Gardner]

14. LOL.. my son lives in Ohio. He called last night and apologized and said, "Please

don't be mad at me !"

Like he could have done something other than vote ! ROFL. Don't feel bad, my state went for Hillary too.

[Kukesa]

15. Thanks, K, and speaking of Ohio

we seem to have had a large number of cross-over votes so Repubs could vote for Hillary ala Limbaugh and Hannity.

Have a look at our Ohio forum and you'll realize how concerned we are. Read MeDeMax's post entitled "... and then there is hope" and subsequent comments.

[K Gardner]

16. He was telling me about this. A lot of his republican friends voted for

Obama because they are sincerely crossing over and will vote for him in the GE. But many, many more voted for Hillary b/o Limbaugh, etc.

He also said quite a few of the voting places ran out of Dem ballots and some of the people he knows did not get to vote.

I've heard as much as 8% of her vote total was Republican. I don't know how accurate that is, but it seems I heard it on CNN yesterday.

[Kukesa]

17. Curious -- WHERE in Ohio does your son live?

I live in a southern suburb of Dayton and my daughter, DU poster VolcanoJen, lives in Middletown but works in Cincinnati and spends most of her time there.

[K Gardner]

19. He lives in Lebanon.. just moved there from Cinci last year to

work at a really nice historic restaurant/inn, so he has friends from Covington to Cinci to Lebanon.

I can't believe you're Jen's mom ! How neat.. she's a wonderful asset to the democratic party ! Glad to know you :-)

[ladym55]

24. I'm from Ohio, too

I focus on how Obama was down by 20 points in Ohio and pulled within 10. This was NO resounding victory for Hillary no matter how she and the media spin it. Our governor (who has lost much of my respect over the past few weeks) and many of the major party leaders in Ohio were also in Hillary's camp. I know in my county (Summit) the party machine was all about Hillary.

My son (who now lives in Wisconsin) said that Hillary brought out her demographic in Ohio ... the uneducated white racist. Good to know.

[Kukesa]

25. I was wondering about our illustrious Ohio

party leaders, too, and don't understand why they were in HRC's camp. At first I thought Strickland had jumped on the Clinton bus a bit too early and both he and John Glenn are not on my All Stars list.

Sad, isn't it, that we have all those "uneducated white racists" here in our Buckeye state.

[ladym55]

29. I've heard that HRC and Strickland are friends

I even heard rumors that he could possibly be her vice presidential pick. Sherrod Brown has stayed out of everything so far from what I've seen. Strickland looks like a total fool when he publicly whines about caususes not being fair and Obama raising too much money (???).

Yeah, the racism bothers me deeply, especially since it includes people I know.

[Kukesa]

30. When Strickland stood behind her during a stump speech

and shook his head in agreement with every comment she made, he looked like Mr. Bobblehead.

And, yes, you're correct that Sherrod Brown has not endorsed either candidate.

I was also a little disappointed in John Glenn -- I worked in his behalf (yes, I'm old) years ago and thought he had more sense than to support HRC.

[ladym55]

31. My son had another word for the governor

And I won't post it here. Hey, I'm old enough to have a college kid campaigning for Obama!

I wish that people like Strickland and John Glenn would tell her to settle down and stop the slash and burn campaign she's running. I'm all for standing behind the candidate you believe in, but I also believe that when that candidate gets out of line, you need to stand up and say knock it off!

[marlakay]

18. I find the people who are not so involved like us

are more optimistic and positive about him winning. I think maybe i should try it, but i am hooked to the blogs and reading stuff...

my daughter who got me to vote for obama says to me, look mom he is doing so good it will all work out!

Sometimes i just wish i could make the next 5 months go by and just be done already!!

[ginnyinWI]

21. GDP has got to be infiltrated

by HRC operatives. Otherwise how do you explain a progressive message board like DU being so full of love for a centrist DLC candidate like Hillary Clinton? I thought most people here loved people like Dean, Kuch, Clark or other underdog candidates.

I do go in there and read --it's like a train wreck: you can't look away. But if I get mad I just go somewhere else. I have a lot of people on Ignore these days too.

[City Lights]

26. What surprises me is that so many of her female supporters act like it's

the duty of all females to fall in line behind her just because she's a woman. :eyes: That is one of the lamest and anti-feminist reasons I've come across for supporting a candidate. What happened to thinking for ourselves? I wonder if they'd act the same way if Condi was running. And I've had it up to *here* with her supporters playing the sexism and gender card. :puke: They see sexism as often as I see ignored people. :evilgrin:

[ginnyinWI]

27. did you happen to see Maureen Dowd's column yesterday

Titled, "Sexism vs. Racism Skirmish Continues".I don't usually read her, but this one caught my eye (in my local paper, sorry I don't have a link for you). It deals with feminism and how the older women have a particular brand of it--"shoulder pad feminism"--the "us against them we girls gotta stick together all men are pigs" kind. She says women under 50 are not so militant about it and less apt to vote for a woman just because she's a woman. I'm over 50 but I guess I think young! :)

HRC plays the gender card over and over; a man could never get away with the stuff she's gotten away with! Reverse sexism I guess--and she's a big name, too--something the media is always impressed with.

Obama understands this. He knows that she's the establishment candidate, and as such it's hers to lose and he's the insurgent who must prove himself over and over. It's really a touchy situation for him too--he can't be seen to be "picking" on "poor little Hillary" and he can't be seen to be the "angry young black man". In other words he has to be damn near perfect, while she can be a b--ch and get away with it in the media. She can trumpet that "it's time to elect a woman", but woe to Obama if he would utter the words, "it's time to elect a black man".

[City Lights]

28. I heard something about "shoulder pad feminism" yesterday, but

didn't realize it was coming from Dowd. I'll head over to the NYTimes today to read it.

I agree that Obama has to tiptoe along a fine line, while Hillary swerves all over the road.

I'll be so glad when this is over. :-(

[4_Legs_Good]

45. I think many people think it's her turn, are ready for a woman, and love Bill

To be honest, I don't think they're necessarily wrong to think that way.

I've never been a big Clinton fan, Hillary or Bill, and while I would love a woman President, I don't think that trumps my dislike for Hillary or my belief that Obama is more exactly what our country needs after 8 years of being torn apart by George Jr.

I'm one of those nuts who do believe that the world would be different, and better, if it were led by women, but I don't think Hillary fits the bill of what people like me think of when they express that view. The "woman" leaders we're looking for would never lead us into a war of choice, for example.

If my choice was Boxer or Obama, I would be having a much harder time deciding on who to support, but I think I would still fall in with Obama at this particular point in our history.

God, I hope we win.

David

[Hazelrah]

22. the funny thing is

my plan was to avoid DU (especially GD-P) after the disappointment that was Tues but I found it impossible. It's too much of my daily routine.

I peak my head into GD-P every once in while (I can't help myself) and when I do, I see other Obama supporters fighting the good fight.
More than anything else that has kept my spirits up.

I may be unable to brave the fire but I so damn proud of those that do and they give me strength to keep on.

If you are interested in a little bizarre funny pick me up, check this out: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/ultimate+showdown/
**how I see GD-P**

[Kukesa]

23. I liked it when they "kicked Chuck Norris' Cowboy Ass"

he deserves it for supporting Huckabee.

Thanx for the laugh.

[ralbertson]

32. we're with ya, obamapipples

[Hazelrah]

33. Is this wrong?

I have this friend and he's a registered republican (I know but he has nice qualities as well).

Through many a long conversation and the occasional screaming match I have convinced him to vote for Kerry in '04 and for the dems in '06. He likes Obama almost as much as I do and plans to vote for him in the general. If it turns out to be McCain-Clinton, I think he will abstain.

We both live in PA and I suggested to him that if he changed his registration to (D) he could help vote for Obama in the primary and could switch back to republican later. He said he would "consider it", which usually means yes.

I feel like I may have done something . . . well . . . wrong. Not illegal of course, but kind of sneaky.

In my defense, he is pretty liberal (except for taxes, he HATES taxes) but like many in America he equates liberalism with all things lazy and wimpy. I don't how, when I self-identify as a hard-core feminist liberal and I totally kick ass.

What say you all?

Helpful but sneaky? }(

Ethical quagmire? :evilgrin:

Good all around? O8)

wow, I feel like I just wrote my first letter to dear abby.


edited for grammar

[Kukesa]

36. No, it's not wrong.

I'd vote for your "Good all around" option. If he supports Obama (smart man) then he should be able to vote for him in the primary.

[Blue_Roses]

34. Add me to the list...

I've tried to ride the fence and give Ms. Hillary the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done. It's so hard to want to come to DU anymore with the crap going on.

[Kukesa]

35. Welcome. This is a nice, sane place to express views. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

37. I'm done posting in GDP, for the near future anyway.

I guess the name will be changed after the primary season, then I'll try it again. I may lurk, but I'm not participating in the food fight any more. It's not a place for sane discussion about anything.

[Kukesa]

38. I hear ya, ginny. n/t

[liberaldem4ever]

39. I want to start talking to you guys here

I am a big Obama supporter but haven't posted much (at DU or anywhere else). I would love to get in on the discussion about the primary, but GD:P is SCARY! It would freak me out to get called a troll by one of those Hillary people.

[Kukesa]

40. Welcome to DU! You'll like this forum. n/t

[TexasLady]

41. I FINALLY donated

so now I can post here!
hi yall!
:hi:

[ginnyinWI]

42. Welcome!

We're a cozy bunch. I have this forum bookmarked and always come here first when I come to DU to browse.

[ralbertson]

43. Yeah, what she said. :0)

Welcome, liberaldem4ever! Welcome, TexasLady! Glad y'all found your way here to join us!

Really, it is much safer and saner in here thn it is out there in the Long Dark Night of the Living Dread... but it's not just a safe haven, it's a place where we can come together to brainstorm and share and hone our collective messages, too. Please don't hesitate to use this space for that. It's what it's here for.

(That, and also for giving ourselves just enough respite from the HillBots to keep us from going totally, publicaly, and irrevocably postal on their asterisks, too...)

:evilgrin:

[4_Legs_Good]

44. Yeah, I think I'm done with GDP

It was fun for a while, but I'm not into name calling on either side, and I soooo think Obama is what we need in this country (not just our party), so who needs the bickering?

Not me, that's who!

I want an Obama Podcast, something that I can download that includes all his speeches and appearances in a given day, so I can stay up to date on my commute.

David