F**k the rebel flag

[Taverner]

Run time: 02:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gI0i3Y5wY   Posted on YouTube: July 10, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 26, 2008 By DU Member: Taverner Views on DU: 815

 
Gotta say I love seeing this!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Knowing that this banner

is really the symbol of racism and hate, I can only concur.

[npk]

2. Burning the Flag

Someone could also make the point that burning a symbol that some people find as a symbol of racism and hatred to also be an act of racism and hatred.

[RethugAssKicker]

3. BS !

[npk]

6. My point exactly

If you are satisfied in your beliefs that anyone who flies this flag is full of hatred and racism then your indignation is completely justified.

[Virginia Dare]

10. If you fly this flag and you are not full of hatred and racism..

then at the very least you are ignorant and insensitive to those who rightly take offense to it's display.

[aikoaiko]

16. There is probably no political symbol that anyone could wear that isn't offensive to someone

no?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

4. How could that be?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Yes, how could that be?

The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was never the official flag of the Confederacy. I have NO problem with people flying the Stars and Bars, which was. That is the flag to fly if you wish to talk about Southern heritage.

If you are interested in promoting white supremacy, the Battle Flag is often used, along with the Nazi banner. Personally, I'd burn either one, not because of racism (I'm white myself) or hatred (racists are ignorant and afraid, and should be pitied) but to show that these symbols are no longer looked on with any respect.

[Virginia Dare]

7. Pardon me, if I do not shed a tear...

for any KKK'ers out there who may be offended by that image...:puke:

As a point of reference: That is the Confederate Battle Flag of Northern Virginia. Some of my ancestors fought under that flag. It has since become a symol of racism and hatred. The only appropriate venues for the display of that flag are in graveyards and museums and other historical-themed buildings.

[Taverner]

11. It was also the Confederate Naval Flag

If it were square instead of rectangular, it would be the Confederate Battle Flag.

I have no problem with burning any of those. "Southern Heritage" needs a new flag. Personally I suggest something all Southerners could get down with: A big blue flag with a Dobro on it. The blues did come out of the South :) And if I were Southern, I'd be more proud of that than of its treasonous past.

[Virginia Dare]

13. I respect the fact that the ancestors of many..

including my own fought bravely under that flag. However, none of us can deny what it symbolizes, and therefore it's display is insensitive and inappropriate.

In the sense that whoever was burning that flag was burning the racism and hatred that it symbolizes, I applaud them.

[Taverner]

28. Understood eom

[Taverner]

9. ??????

You make no sense

[npk]

12. Some people consider the American Flag a symbol of hate

In other parts of the world, even right here in the good ol' USA some people view the American flag as a symbol of hatred and oppression. Just because some idiots took the "STARS/BARS" flag and used it to spread hatred doesn't mean that everybody in the whole entire country consider themselves hate mongers if they support that flag. But what you are saying is that because some people turned that flag into a symbol of hated it's quite all right to set it a blaze. It seems to me that you are saying it's ok to be dismissive of some people cultures and beliefs as long as their "hicks" and "hillbillies".

Hell yeah I agree set the motherfucker on fire. Sounds reasonable to me.

[Virginia Dare]

14. That is why I support flag burning as a form of freedom of speech..

it is a symbol, nothing more. At any rate, I don't think you can equate the Confederate Battle Flag with the flag of the United States.

[Taverner]

15. It's all in what it means to whom

If you were an Iraqi who lost their family in a US Carpet Bombing, the US Flag may very well represent hatred.

[Virginia Dare]

20. True, and I guess if the freepers had their way..

they would usurp Old Glory the same way the KKK usurped the CBF. I guess those Minuteman racist haters use it don't they?

[Taverner]

21. Well the KKK (at least originally) was a paramilitary made up of ex Confed soldiers

During reconstruction

[Virginia Dare]

23. Ex-Senator George "Macaca" Allen's hero..

Nathan Bedford Forrest (whom he also named his son after) was the original Grand Wizard.

[Taverner]

24. Yep - and wasn't he (Forrest, not Allen) a Civl War general?

Ever see the movie CSA?

It's a really scary "what if" mockumentary about what we'd be like if the South won the civil war. Slavery is legal to this day, and all of the great Americans of the time (Mark Twain, etc) flee to Canada.

[Virginia Dare]

25. No, I didn't..

I did read a couple of those Turtledove books with a similar premise though. Pretty interesting to contemplate.

[provis99]

29. except the Rebel flag is ONLY a symbol of hate, nothing more

Some dubious things may have been done under the American flag, but some good things, also. The Rebel flag means nothing but hate, slavery, and backwoods ignorance. If anyone argues otherwise, they might as well argue the Nazi party flag had its good points, too.

As for other Southerners who are "proud" of their Confederate ancestors, I say, shame on you. I had some stupid ancestors who fought for the Confederacy, and the best thing they ever did was get their damn fool heads shot off at Sharpsburg and Pea Ridge. I'm prouder of the Southern ancestors I had who refused to fight for the Confederacy, and stayed loyal to the Union.

[Buzz Clik]

26. LOL! Welcome to DU!

I've heard that one before, but the logic is amazingly flawed. Condemning a racist or a racist symbol as racist is simply stating a fact. Burning the symbol of that racism is a symbolic gesture against the racism and hatred. Now, if that video showed violence against people, then I'd agree. (You know -- like that video so popular among knuckledraggers in which the redneck rips down a Mexican flag and steals it. If he wanted to desecrate the Mexican flag, he should have bought his own flag.)

But I truly welcome you and your opinion here. You won't find much comfort or open support.

[aikoaiko]

8. fellow DUers -- if you are going to burn a flag, DO NOT do it like this person did

He's really pretty lucky he didn't get burned. Gasoline and its vapors are very tricky things.


If you do use gasoline, pour, seal can, move can very very far away from ignition source before igniting the flag (which should also be done at a reasonable distance because gas sort of explodes when lit).

Do not repour gas on the same site in which their had been a fire.


Good luck.

[Buzz Clik]

27. I loved the part where the dope blew on the flame from the match to ignite to flag.

He probably has no eyebrows now.

[better tomorrow]

17. can you believe that in Florida they are

actually going to introduce a bill to make the rebel flag available as a license plate....but, then again we have a Republican governor (who Jeb personally chose to follow him) who is being tossed around as a VP candidate for McCain.....Go figure.

[Pogue.Mahone]

18. Man...

i reckon i consider myself a southern boy but i still wonder why this is still an issue!!! the battle flag of dixie was the flag of an army/people dedicated not just to state's rights but to slavery and oppression as well. it is EXACTLY the same as a nazi flag for everything it stands for. we have to move beyond this icon of a defeated past.

if you're a good-ol'-boy and just gotta put a flag in the back of your pickup truck window, put up your state flag or the stars and bars or the gadsen flag. personally i fly the ega! :D

[Taverner]

22. Yep - I like this one better...

Although I'm not a Southerner - that flag seems to represent the South's greatest achievement - THE BLUES!

[Truth2Tell]

19. Fine with me,

but boy, this person sure needs a rudimentary lesson on managing small fires. Obviously not a Boy Scout.

[Steepler0t]

30. The racism is not the main thing that disgusts me

Don't forget: 600,000 Americans died because of what this flag brought in a attempt to break up our country.

The racism it represents is just the rancid cherry on top.

Here's a little piece of useless trivia: more Americans died because of the war this flag represents then all of our casualties in WW1+WW2 COMBINED.

Burn baby burn.