Whoopi Goldberg switches from Obama to Hillary

[bidenista]

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[libbygurl]

1. Thanks, Whoopi! Thanks, bidenista! nt

[jjr5]

46. Can I just ask you why you like Hillary Clinton.

I seriously want to know why people are supporting her. Why do you like her?

[libbygurl]

50. If you're sincere in your question, here's a rather rambling (sorry)...

...rumination that touches on why I support HRC - just for starters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4483059&mesg_id=4488021

I composed that on the fly just now, so forgive the incompleteness and somewhat shaggy form. I'm not very eloquent, so if you could humour me, do read this, too, written by a DU member, whose essay I completely agree with:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Tom%20Rinaldo/241

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. smart women

[libertee]

3. Thanks Whoopi..for the word Substanitive!! That's it right there.

[oviedodem]

4. So the idiot Whoopie voted for who talked about NAFTA first?

What a moron.

Lets see I guess if lobby reform was the winner it would be Obama because he passed that legislation.

[joeybee12]

10. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, cultie...guess anyone who doesn't agree

with you is an idiot and a moron.

[cooolandrew]

5. So NAFTA wasn't Bill's legislation, I see..

[Apollo11]

6. Hillary is smarter than Bill.

Hillary has never said that the Clinton-Gore administration was 100% correct on every issue.

She also understands that from 1994 on, Bill had to work with a Republican Congress.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

22. Bernstein said in his book that Hillary disagreed w/Bill on NAFTA.

She said something along the lines like: "What are you doing? That's a Republican agenda!"

All my family members are Republicans - should I be blamed for them voting Republican? People have their own minds - believe me - I've tried to get them to see the way.

[bulloney]

42. Bill not only supported NAFTA, he pulled all kinds of stops to pass it in Congress.

He saw that NAFTA wouldn't pass on its own merits. So, his administration brought blocs of congressmen together and worked out sweetheart deals, giving each group some special protection for a pet market or industry from NAFTA in exchange for their "yes" vote.

And then there was Al Gore and his debate with Ross Perot. Gore tossed out that bullshit that the Smoot-Hawley tariff caused the Great Depression, catching Perot in a position where he couldn't rebut it and making Gore look like some type of economic genius. Problem was, Congress passed Smoot-Hawley months after the GD had begun. It's just that Gore and other pro-NAFTA spokesmen figured if you can't dazzle 'em with your brilliance, baffle 'em with your bullshit. They correctly figured that 99.9% of the people never heard of Smoot-Hawley before that night, let alone knew what it did. So, it accomplished what Gore wanted. Style over substance.

[aka-chmeee]

8. Yeah, Clinton signed it, supported it

But, it was the product of George I and Carlos Salinas. Just another Somalia type connection.

[Apollo11]

7. Whoopi KICKS Oprah's A$$ !!!

:kick:

[mopinko]

9. sigh

what a stupid criteria. how about which one is more likely to actually do what they say they are gonna do, whoopi?

[indimuse]

11. hope and change..STUPID criteria!!!

duh...!

[DCKit]

12. I saw this post earlier and passed it by, then realized....

Whoopi probably thinks either one would be a decent President, but wouldn't it be a total GAS to watch Elizabeth's Barbie-Doll head explode because she had to learn a couple semi-intelligent facts about YET ONE MORE CANDIDATE so she could "talk politics" with Whoopi on the show?

When Whoopi gets sick of the "Well, what's her position on..." questions she can answer back with "Elizabeth. Why don't you get your personal assistant to go online to do some research on Hillary's positions and print a synopsis to read for you while you're puking after meals, sex and the odd encounter with the unwashed?"

Seriously, I think Whoopi's got a cruel streak and wouldn't put this past her.

[joneschick]

49. I agree and I like the way you think. eom

[Rockholm]

13. Watch out.. The Whoopie-Hating will begin.

[jjr5]

45. No, it's more that annoyance towards the uninformed might begin.

People's records and actions matter a whole lot more than one statement they said during their campaign last summer. The fact that Whoopi Goldberg is touting the fact that she made a decision based on who said what thing first similar to the way Wolf Blitzer made candidates raise their hand for illegal immigration. It's just too simplistic and people need to learn how to become more informed.

[DFW]

14. Heaven help us all if this is earth-shattering news

So Whoopi Goldberg made a public show of what she thought was keeping her word.

I'm more interested in how Obama and/or Clinton will attack our bleeding budget,
and how soon they both plan to start on damage control of our foreign policy,
starting with withdrawing from Iraq, especially in such a manner as to encourage
the Turks and the Iranians to stay inside their own borders.

Which one of them gets Whoopi Goldberg's support is not the issue that is taking
up any major portion of my political attention these days, and it will not bear
on my own decision one bit, no matter HOW much I liked Sister Act.

[Sam Ervin jret]

19. I'm with you, what is with all the celebrity endorsement stuff being a big deal?

These people are our ENTERTAINMENT, not our repository for collective cultural ancient wisdom.

[jsmithlib]

15. Whoopi on the view today, 2/8/08

Today, on the view, Whoopi said that she is supporting Obama.

[Apollo11]

26. But she already voted for Hillary

So isn't it kind of late for her to start supporting Obama?

Or am I missing something? :eyes:

[Infinite Hope]

16. Seems like she's throwing her support around pretty loosely. Both candidates have said for some time

they would eliminate those tax breaks and it has tended to be a democratic policy in general. If she didn't hear it from either candidate until recent days, she is entirely clueless on this election.

Edit: For the record, she's someone I've always respected. But she's clearly not very informed on this election in regard to either candidate.

[1776Forever]

17. Whoopi - Obama said this back in Sept. 2006!! Give him credit!!

I sent her an email and told her Obama was saying this way back in 2006!

Sen. Obama at Joliet town hall

http://obama.senate.gov/news/060923-sen_obama_at_to /

Saturday, September 23, 2006
Printable Format

By Mary Baskerville – KANKAKEE DAILY JOURNAL

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama told an enthusiastic crowd of 1,300 in Joliet on Friday that their issues are important to him.

"I especially enjoy coming to Will County because I think this is one of those areas that is really representative of what is best in Illinois," he said. "It's a growing area. It's an area full of working class people."....

Americans are concerned with jobs moving oversees, he said. "We can't stop all of it, but one thing we can do is make sure the tax breaks aren't going to companies that are going oversees. Let's save the tax breaks for companies that are investing right here at home."


:applause:

[JPZenger]

18. That must have been one helluva phone call from Chelsea

That must have been one helluva phone call from Chelsea.

Now I wonder what David Hasselhoff thinks of the election.

[From The Left]

20. Who Cares?

Whoopi Goldberg is entitled to endorse whomever she wants. But, she's an idiot if she thinks the Borg Queen will help women or minorities. The Borg Queen will help the military, industrial complex and the insurance industry, who own her like a pimp owns a whore.

[amborin]

21. NAFTA was NOT Bill's

it was dreamed up much earlier, by Mexican Prez Salinas de Gotari, Canadian PM Mulroney, and Bush, senior.....

though Reagan had wanted it years earlier

NAFTA was a long time in the making....and don't underestimate the enormous power of the US' agribusiness lobbies.....they are enormously powerful...

that's why the US has such huge farm subsidies

by the time bill came along, it was a juggernaut

[groovedaddy]

23. Yeah, a juggernaut of a bill that hardly ANY ONE in Congress

bothered to even read. The lobbyists told them to vote for it and so many of them did.

[From The Left]

37. Poppy Bush Launched the NAFTA Template

I'm glad you mentioned this. Too often, Bill Clinton gets blamed for NAFTA. While he certainly advanced it, the template for NAFTA was launched during Poppy Bush's tenure.

[bulloney]

44. The genesis of NAFTA was during the Reagan administration.

But Clinton finished the Reagan/Bush agenda of passing NAFTA. I remember all of those labor unions endorsing and backing Clinton in large part because they knew a second Bush/Quayle term would complete the task of passing NAFTA. Not only did Clinton kick labor in the groin by guiding NAFTA to passage, he did the same with GATT (later named WTO), which is a global free trade agreement and another issue labor fought hard against.

[amborin]

53. not quite

Bill passed it with after ensuring the agreement contained side agreements, specifying protections for labor and the environment

alas, those were not enforced

[amborin]

52. exaxcttly

Reagan dreamed it up, then poppy bush, salinas, and mulroney spent over a year crafting it

they conned the mexicans into accepting it also....

by the time bill was in office, USA *Nafta had more power than anyone could stop

it was the business roundtable that pushed through NAFTA, not Bill Clinton

[Roland99]

40. Oh, so Bill Clinton didn't sign that bill into law? And here I thought he had, along with DMCA.

[respublicus]

24. Why Obama is a Sure Loser – and the Prelude to a Mccain-Lieberman Disaster

That's the title of an amazingly insightful article at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WarOnFreedom/message/4184

I call it an instant poli sci degree!

You can also get a good guess that Obama would bring us another Mcovern- Mondale type Republican landslide by looking at the map of Democratic primary results:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_presidential_primaries#Overview_of_results

Hitlery C (god bless her little warmongering zionist soul) has won the states a Democrat CAN and MUST win - California, New York, Florida - while Obama has picked up useless Midwestern and Mountain states where maybe only a few thousand Volvo-driving rich liberals are Democrats, anyway, states a Democrat can't win and doesn't need to.

There's no question life was better under the Clintons than under Bush, and people know that. With Hillary, the Dems will win in a landslide. With Obama, they'll be wiped out.

[BridgeTheGap]

28. Sagging economy, continuing war in Iraq, corruption, etc.

I firmly believe that enough voters will be looking for a change from Repub rule that either Clinton or Obama will win.

[respublicus]

33. But Obama's advisers will bring us more GOP programs like privatizing social security

So a vote for Obama is a vote for McCain, either way.

[amborin]

54. Obama cannot win against the rethugs

sorry, but as has already been stated, Obama did not win crucial blue states

it doesn't matter that Obama got some red states such as Idaho

in the GE, those states will remain RED, there are TOO FEW dems in them to make them purple, let alone blue

the view that if Obama is nominated, blue states that voted for Hillary in the primary will stay blue by voting for Obama in the GE is wrong....it is highly questionable that some blue states will always be blue regardless of who's nominated

take the traditional BLUE state of California....

California can easily go from BLUE to RED, if Obama is nominated....."impossible," you say

not impossible.....hispanics have been trending republican for years now....they like McCain's immigration policy.....

for a variety of reasons, Hispanics prefer Hillary and voted for her overwhelmingly

Obama can easily NOT CARRY CALIFORNIA, a crucial Dem state for the GE

Can Obama carry the south? someone on here had a convincing argument that, since the south has never elected a black senator, it will not elect a black president....

can a candidate win the GE without the south?

yes, but only if they carry enough other states, including all crucial DEM states...

Obama is a very risky bet for the GE

[progressoid]

25. I'm not making up my mind until I hear from Maureen McCormick

MARCIA! MARCIA! MARCIA!

[Mozcram]

27. Whatever, so a woman on tv prefers hillary

great, hope most people are not going to say, ok, then me too
we have greater powers of reasoning than that, i hope

[zonkers]

29. I respect Whoopie. She's got a good heart and keen mind. Nice endorsement

for Hillary.

[LWolf]

30. She still got it wrong.

That other candidate, Dennis Kucinich, clearly spoke against outsourcing jobs overseas years before HRC OR Obama ever declared a presidential candidacy, and he has never wavered from that position.

I don't blame her for waffling between the current two. :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

31. Yes, as goes Whoopi Goldberg, so goes The Nation.

:eyes:

[avrdream]

32. Although it is only one issue, Whoopi makes a good point:

She wanted something "substantive" so she chose Hillary.

Enough said.

[Rottenmac]

34. Puh-LEEEZE !! !

Whoopie Goldberg?

This is a woman who JUSTIFIED torturing animals as 'Indicative to certain parts of the country.'
Well, Whoopie...
LYNCHING is indicative to certain parts of the country.. DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT? But would she say anything defending THAT? My guess... no.

She is a comedian and for me, her opinion on whether Obama or Clinton is better is just absolute shit. Nothing more, possibly less.

[Meldread]

35. FUCK!

It's all over now. Obama might as well drop out. Now that Whoopi has flip-flopped this surely means that the end times cometh. Run, my little peasants. Run! Flee to the hills for the battle is lost!

[Riverman]

48. Love That Pose - Real Men is What this Country Needs!

Or, at Least a Woman Who "wears the pants in this family." As Billary said the other day! LOL

Sooo, if Hill wears the Pants, What does Billy wear? Chelsea lock-up your wardrobe, Daddy will be wondering the around the White House with nothing to do!

[spooky3]

36. EDWARDS said it first YEARS ago, Whoopi!

A specific proposal regarding those tax breaks has been on his website for ages.

As others pointed out Kucinich has also been talking about it a long time.

And, Kerry also campaigned on this issue in 2004:

http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_blames_corporate_tax_code_for_shipping.html

[Politicub]

38. Fantastic -- and for a great reason!

:kick:

[IndieLeft]

39. By her own words she still should have voted for Obama.

Since she never "heard" clinton say it, and since clinton isn't still pushing for it.

It's kind of funny though, wasn't NAFTA a Clinton thing? I mean, if she is running on his record, then doesn't she get some of the blame too?

[eilen]

51. It's a Clinton and Obama thing from what I've read

Despite voting nay on CAFTA, they both voted for a very similar bill in regard to Peru as well as Oman.


trade deal article

There is no democratic candidate left who is not associated with voting for NAFTA style trade deals. The only candidate still running that has consistently been against these type of trade agreements is Ron Paul who is a Republican candidate who is running as a "true conservative" but is more libertarian than republican.
ron paul free trade agreement position


While I was registered Republican (long story --short form below, I voted for him in the primary as he met my criteria: Withdrawal from Iraq, and disentangling ourselves from international clusterpluck/crap trade deals and currency reform (which no one else is talking about). There are areas I did not agree with him on but I felt they were so far out that they would not get voted through anyway. I knew he had no chance to get the nomination but I felt that if enough votes went to him, these issues would at least enter the public discussion (which is what Ross Perot did for the deficit, and looks like the crazy bas#ard was right).

I am hoping Barack Obama receives the nomination (my dh voted for him). I will be happy to vote for him but the stand he has made on trade treaties trouble me. As far as I can see, H. Clinton is bought and paid for and any VP she runs will be a gelding as there won't be room for a VP when a copresidency is in the White House. I remember the 90's and they weren't all sunshine and flowers (DRGs, HMO's and managed healthcare anyone?).

I hope I didn't offend anyone by posting a link on Ron Paul, that was not my intention. I consider myself an Independent voter. I had become very disenchanted with the major parties and feel very cynical about them so I try to keep an open mind. I thought a tough election for me would be betwixt Paul and Kucinich, it would take a lot of consideration and study and would be very interesting.

The short reason on why I am currently reg. Republican-- I was born Democrat, I had a brief fling with the Conservative party (after 9.11) then changed to Independent but reg. to Republican to vote in their primary-- to cast the anti-vote.

So Whoopi can change her mind, it doesn't bother me and her opinion is worth at least as much as mine does.

[seriouslyfrivolous]

41. Whoopi has the political insight of a frisbie

Who in the world would pay any attention to Whoopie, no matter
whom she endorses?  Who in hell watches that dreadful show
anyway?  

[Bluebear]

43. Whoopi is a rather intelligent woman, I think.

[Riverman]

47. Who Cares! I am so sick of the Clintons I could just Hurl!

[WTyler]

55. 2004>2007

Sorry, Whoopi, but Obama was talking about this issue in his 2004 senate campaign. It's been part of his platform since he first entered the national stage. If you're going to make up your mind on this one issue why don't you do a little bit of research on it first? It took me a couple of seconds and a Google search to find a couple of quotes from 2004 on this issue.