Uncommitted is UNPREDICTABLE! Obama Supporters for Kucinich

[DurShar]

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[skipos]

1. I am voting UNCOMMITTED. Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Biden supporters should do the same.

I don't want Kucinich or Hillary to be president, so there is no reason for me to vote for them.

[DurShar]

2. That is going to bite you Anti-Clinton people where it hurts.

Clinton already has 20 party leader delegates that come from the pool of uncommitted. I recommend you read the Michigan delegate selection process before you insist on everyone voting uncommitted. By voting uncommitted you will send a mayor, governor or other Superdelegate that will back Clinton in Denver.

[skipos]

4. And what do I get when I vote for Kucinich?

Some delegates for someone else I don't want to be President? No thanks.
I trust Conyers to do what he promises. If you don't trust him, that is your business.

[DurShar]

6. A vote for Kucinich will be one against Clinton

Call me crazy but I would rather send Kucinich delegates to Denver instead of Clinton delegates. Kucinich stands no real threat to the nomination yet Clinton does.

If Clinton gets 50% of the vote that is approximately 78/156 delegates.

If Uncommitted gets 30% of the vote that is approximately 47/156 delegates. Of the 47 delegates 20 of them will go to Clinton as Superdelegates. So that leaves at most 27 delegates for Obama and Edwards supporters to fight over.

I think keeping as many of those 20 delegates away from Clinton as possible should be the Obama and Edwards supporters strategy. This is a long process and if you give Clinton to big of a lead she might wrap this thing up sneakily.

[skipos]

7. Call me crazy but I would rather vote for someone who isn't on the ballot

and the only way to do that is to vote uncommitted. Kucinich, Gravel and Clinton do not do it for me. Dodd dropped out.

I trust Conyers on this. Please explain to me why you don't.

[DurShar]

8. I to trust John Conyers

That is what the issue is. Conyers will get Michigan's delegates back meaning Clinton will end up with the lion's share of them. No matter how powerful Conyers is in Michigan he is only one party leader/superdelegate and he can not make other party leaders/superdelegates not back Clinton. Clinton already has 20 party leaders/superdelegates who are backing her no matter what tomorrows outcome is and that gives her 20 delgates before the first vote is cast. 156 delegates are no small amount and if Hillary can rap up over 100 of them then Conyers will hurt any other candidates chance by getting Michigan's delegates back. We need to keep Clinton's delegate count down and the only way you do that is to ensure someone other than her gets them and in this case that person is Kucinich.

The title of the video explains it well.

[frog92969]

9. Trust Conyers?

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Seriously, he is not the man you've come to know and love, he's now on a leash licking the boots of the ones who have tossed us aside.

I won't ask why you don't like Kucinich, sounds like there's no point.
I hear what they all say, but I see what they've done and that speaks loudest to me.

[skipos]

12. Considering Ron Paul for Vice President spoke volumes to me.

So I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[kenfrequed]

16. Oh this old bit

He never actually invited Ron Paul. This was a bit of nonsense taken out of context. As usual.

[skipos]

17. Never invited, huh? "Thinking about it" is bad enough. Here is the context:

1. Kucinich tells the audience he is thinking about having Ron Paul as his VP.
Here is the audio...
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/exclusive_audio_kucinich_consi.html

Here is the relevent dialogue from that audio:
Q: Governor Richardson has said that if he becomes the candidate, we will start announcing... setting up what his cabinet would be, probably including what his running mate would be. Would you be prepared to discuss that sort of thing?
DK: I'll tell you who I am thinking about.
Q: Ok.
DK: I'm thinking about Ron Paul. (A bunch of hooey about eagles needing two wings to fly, not worth transcribing.) Think about how it could unite the country. You know, having a Democrat and a Republican on the ticket.

2. Ron Paul's camp passes on the idea.
3. Kucinich takes it off the table.

Here is the audio from a radio interview:
http://www.noisemp3.com/file_upload/uploaded_files/20071129230535_timoliveira_kuchvpaul.mp3

Here is the relevant quote:
"Well, the fact of the matter is Ron is not interested, he is running as a Republican, it's not going to happen." - Dennis Kucinich

[kenfrequed]

23. empty platitudes..

An empty and strategic plaititude made (which you STILL take out of context) to inform the party "moderates" that he is not a flaming radical and that he can cooperate when needed (like on repealing the patriot act and ending the war) does not justify your obsession with it. Personally I am comforted that Kucinich sees ending the war and ending the patriot act as non-partisan American issues. Would that Hillary could see that.

Sorry though I vote on the issues, not on platitudes about cooperation. Oh yeah and I also follow the damned money, and Obama and Clinton take too much money from corporations for my tastes.

[kenfrequed]

15. Wow!!

Lumping Clinton with Kucinich and Gravel???

This makes no sense. Clinton is about the most conservative candidate running, while Kucinich is about the most liberal. Could you explain your reasoning for disliking both of them at once? Is there something you know that I do not?

[skipos]

18. I pick my presidents based on more than just their voting record

Regardless, Kucinich has bad votes just like all the other candidates do.
I lump them all together because I don't want any of them to be our nominee.

[NorthCarolina]

19. Can you please provide detail on Kucinich's "Bad Votes" for us?

I'd be very interested in seeing your list.

[skipos]

21. In recent weeks? Voting with Repubs against SCHIP & voting for that Christianity Rulez! legislation.

You might agree with those votes, I don't. But I can tell where this is going to go: you aren't going to convince me, and I am not going to convince you. So let's agree to disagree. Kucinich can get his 2%, and I am not trying to stop it. Just don't tell me to go vote for him in the primary. I won't.

[NorthCarolina]

22. I Didn't Tell You To Vote For Him

that's your choice. I think you're misinformed about Kucinich but that's just my take on it. By all means vote however you want...this is still at least "called" America. For me personally, I wouldn't vote uncommitted and allow the DNC to allocate my vote to whomever they choose, but hey...whatever floats your boat.

[mikelgb]

5. To send their message to the convention.

That is a good reason.

[peace13]

3. Interesting point of view.

Thanks for posting this.

[frog92969]

10. What a mess!

Is everyone mad enough NOW to push through some election reform?

MI was supposed to be punished and stripped of deligates, Kucinich tried to bail out in protest like the others but on some technicality they tossed his request in the trash. Did Clinton try too?
Now that the ballots been shaved down SURPRISE here come the delegates back.
I keep saying they are going to try to install Clinton as the next neo-con President, every day I get more sure of that.

Vote for Dennis because he wants what we want.

[stimbox]

11. Hey Michigan Vote Kucinich!

Hey Michigan Vote Kucinich!

Send a message to the party.

There are only three active candidates on the Democratic primary ballot - Dennis Kucinich, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Mike Gravel.
So please, a vote for Dennis is a real vote for change.

[corkhead]

14. I had decided on Kooch, because I was afraid my "uncommitted" will end up being Hillary's.

[stimbox]

20. Right On!

:toast:

[butterfly77]

13. I think I'll vote for ...

Ron Paul.

[mikelgb]

24. kick