This Is Very Disappointing: Obama Campaign's New Strategy?

[ihavenobias]

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Wow...I do NOT like this at all, and that's in the context of Hillary being a last resort choice for me to avoid another republican administration. Also, I don't see how this doesn't backfire politically.

But for the record, I do NOT agree with Wes Clark Jr because he's generalizing WAY too much about Obama supporters. It should also be pointed out he's increasingly defending Hillary (to a fault) because, IMO, his dad is supporting her (and likely assured a top cabinet position if she makes it). I also found his John Edwards comment to be annoying...it's too bad because I normally find what he has to say very interesting.

[iconoclastic cat]

1. I can't view YouTube vids where I am. What is it? nt

[durrrty libby]

9. It is Jesse Jackson Jr representing Obama's campaign

in an interview on MSNBC

Boiled down, he says they are analyzing Senator Clinton's tears

and she never "cried" for Katrina.

[iamjoy]

64. How Do We Know She Didn't Cry

how do we know she didn't cry over Hurricane Katrina?
I mean, she still had some semblence of privacy then, she could have gotten it all out of her system when the cameras weren't on her.

But campaigning, that's pretty much 24/7. There's almost never a moment when the cameras aren't on her.

And, really, even if she didn't cry over Katrina, most of us know it is much harder to keep our emotions in check when we're tired. Again, campaigning is a tough schedule leaving not much time for sleep. So, had she been asked that question at a different point in time, she might not have reacted the way she did, she might have been more reserved and collected.

[codeindigo]

2. will obama ask this horrible man to step down from his campaign?

i think for our part's sake it is the honorable thing to do. this is highly inflammatory and not good for the country and really distorts obama's message of hope and change. i was leaning toward oabam..but the deeper i look~~ i'm beginning to wonder if he is truly authentic.

[durrrty libby]

5. That is Jessie Jackson's son and how the hell would he know if she did or did not cry

over Katrina?

I hope these idiots keep it up. They are showing their ass and it ain't pretty

[codeindigo]

11. well..

he reminds me of the kind of people you see on fox news. very wierd. he has that polished fakeness (if even a word...?) they wear so well!:puke: what do you think obama will do or say publicly about this? this is (imo) provoking racism and trying to anger the black population against one of our own.:wtf:

[K Gardner]

21. This interview was disgusting. I hope he'll be banned from getting in front of a camera from here on

out..I don't think he speaks for Obama, but it reflects badly. Just like Mark Penn reflected badly on HRC. ALL these campaigns need to really be careful who they put Front and Center for their campaigns.

[codeindigo]

24. do you think obama will come out a try to defuse this~~

bad message?

[K Gardner]

32. Not a clue. But I think it'd be a better idea just let it die as another news scandal, another

hissy fit breaks into the news :-) Doubt we'll be seeing JJ Jr anymore, or Mark Penn ! Lessons learned the hard way
:-)

[Leopolds Ghost]

40. We can't allow Obama to adress racial hostility in this Country

It'd "show him up" to be "the black candidate".

Whites won't vote for anyone who makes them feel bad.

E.g. by pointing out that Hillary supports her husband's plan
to demolish all New Orleans public housing projects with their
evacuated residents' belongings still in them, over the holiday
break. That Hillary supports and defends (along with the
entire DLC machine) the actions of the racist Jefferson Parish
Democratic Party and Gretna Sherriffs office.

Why the fuck DIDN'T Hillary cry about those things? She SUPPORTS them.

Her husband CREATED them (in the case of the racist public housing and welfare elimination plan.)

I sure did (cry, that is.)

[Marie26]

70. Do you have a link for this info

I'd be very disappointed in HRC if this is true.

[DURHAM D]

49. You probably know this already but -

Jesse Jackson Jr. is Obama's National Co-Chairman. He was put before the camera for a reason and by the campaign. These things don't happen by accident.

[gateley]

26. You kicked just by posting. You have to have a certain number of posts

before you can recommend, I think.

[codeindigo]

34. oh.

:yourock:

[alllyingwhores]

3. The Obama campaign better fire that fucking idiot and anyone associated...

with that strategy immediately!--and apologize profusely.

I'm for Edward and Clinton is my last possible choice--but that statement was absolutely fucking stupid and can only completely backfire.

[Dhalgren]

4. Every day the Obama campaign does something that puts Clinton

closer to winning the nomination. Talk about a political "tin-ear"! They learned nothing from NH, at all. I hope Edwards learned. I hope Edwards keeps his message positive and aimed at the fat-cats. He can point out that he and Clinton are on opposite side of the fat-cat issue, but he cannot go negative on Clinton - it only strengthens her. Obama is about to be crushed and his folks don't seem to get it...

[pokercat999]

66. This is all good to me, I support JE and need this to

be a two person race. JE and HRC and if we don't then elect JE.....shame on us as the rethugs will win the general. Obviously just my opinion and not sure it's worth much but goddamn, I have the right to express it.

[Benhurst]

6. Jackson's statements are especially bad because they raise the "H" word:

Hypocrisy.

Increasingly, and sadly, Obama's "Message of Hope" looks like nothing more than campaign spin and rhetorical manipulation.

Obama should dump Jackson, who is not the man his father is.

[PATRICK]

10. Harsh politics

but not the worst by far. When the iranain President goes on a rant, we hear an edited translation that makes him sound like a monster lashing out at America unjustly. What goes unnoticed is that this trheti=oric is smart because it is reall addressed to ahome or regional audience- not us. So too the entire purpose of this seemingly nasty attack is to reverse the emotions and wedge into the black voting block for the southern states coming up. He doesn't have to do much to tap into the suspicion and resentment of black voters, completely justified over a painful history, but he has been stuck on the high road. Losing means the anger is there. Are these savvy voters going to let a cheap media meme simply cast aside their recent surprise of achievement and hope?

This is not to dig at Hillary. It is to mine emotions- which pols do whatever your book of etiquette has to say about limitations- and not ours but specific voters.

So many times it is not missing the point altogther but falling into the great blindspot that is America and its media forums that makes us accentuate the secondary and slide right on by in sea of righteous, bumbling anger. Yet we, unless we are statistically significant in the SC primary, don't matter. It is getting people hot and reversing the emotional blip of Hillary and the setback in NH.

Jesse Jackson, Jr. is not a loose cannon but a well aimed one. This is a contest of emotions and if the substance suffers, THAT is still the biggest issue..

[gateley]

27. Excellent observation. You're good! nt

[Mithreal]

41. Congressman Jackson has a history of being a loose cannon

Of course Obama knows that and that is one reason why he is using him.

[anamandujano]

7. I really like Jesse Jackson Jr.

I've heard him speak on other issues and was impressed. He really went off the rails here, with the approval of Obama and his strategists, of course. As someone has already said, Obama's real nature is peeking through the veneer of nice guy.

As far as what the guy on our left in the video said about maybe he's tougher than we thought and won't let the pukes push him around in the general, sorry can't have it both ways. Also, about the possibility that they may turn off blacks from voting if Hillary gets the nod, there are other prominent blacks who most likely will wait before committing to a candidate. JJ Jr's father will never let that happen.

[gateley]

8. How do we know that Obama approved this? If he did, shame on him.

Shame on them ALL for these slimy tactics, by the way.

This puts Obama (or any candidate, for that matter) in a tough situation -- whether to fire him, publicly chastise him, publicly come up with a lame "what he really meant was..."

This particular campaign is so stressful and so out of whack. It will be interesting to see what happens in this particular instance.

And then there will be the next one....

[codeindigo]

17. i'm sorry..this person is way up in food chain for obama's campaign!

obama definitely knows about it..this is not some foreign email from god knows where! i have not completely picked my candidate yet..but this kind of attack sounds very much like a racial call to anger voter enough to not even listen to hillary. tis very hateful...something the right wing crazies are great at! i remember shaheen (is that his name?) for quite less stepped down from hillary's campaign immediately. nasty nasty approach!

[gateley]

23. You know, I posted that before I watched the video. I'm always giving people

the benefit of the doubt (I should know better by now).

After watching it, I agree -- no way could that approach not have been approved from on high.

I want to preface this by saying I'm not supporting ANY of the candidates - nor am I leaning (still licking my Biden wounds) so I'm viewing each of them objectively,.

This brings up a concern about O's judgment. There have been a couple of other instances during the campaign that raised that flag as well. I'm also not confident that O will ask Jackson to leave the campaign, fearing alienation of voters.

They've all used nasty approaches, but thus far, this is the nastiest I've seen.

Edit to say, Welcome to DU! :hi:

[codeindigo]

29. thank you gateley!

~~:hi:~~ sorry about joe too..i loved him..i think truly the most unscripted/candid of them all. he has an amazing grasp of foreign policy as well.

very disappointing this toxic assault!:spank:

[Mithreal]

44. I really like the father even with his faults but his son

I really am skeptical about all of our American princes. How many great men have had really disappointing sons that did not earn their position but were born into them. The biggest case in point is our current President. Anyway, I will try and keep an open mind about him, but I am sick of American royalty.

[rudy23]

12. If either candidate would mention Katrina from time to time, this may mean more

Until then, judgements about the candidates' emotional reactions to Katrina should be way, way off the table.

[jillan]

13. I love these guys. This whole thing about how Hillary didn't cry for Katrina has gone

way over the top.

[William769]

14. K&R!

So much for hope and change. :eyes:

[codeindigo]

18. i want kick. r....it won't let me.

this not the change or direction this country needs now or ever. i would like to see how mr.obama handled his past campaigns...hhhmmmm.i guess if he does not correct this...edwards and hillary are still in my view.:eyes:

[reggie the dog]

15. New Orleans

is a real sore spot for a lot of blacks who basically saw that their country abandoned them when the hurricane hit. Jackson Jr. is simply stressing the point that senator Clinton did little to aid the people of New Orleans. On the other hand she is a senator from New York, not Louisiana. I also need to read up on what my senator from Illinois did for New Orleans.

[codeindigo]

19. sorry . not what he is saying!

said obama's campaign was still analyzing her 'tears!" :wtf: let me say to this jackson guy...did they have camera stuck up hillary's every move 24/7 during the katrina disaster?:wtf: this truly a sad day in politics.:(

[reggie the dog]

20. I also ask the question

what did my senator from Illinois do for New Orleans????

[codeindigo]

22. this could get messy~~

:hi:

[robbedvoter]

16. Identical words from Jesse jackson Jr - so definitely a strategy, and dumb

I think I'll listen to those guys more - good idea to have 2 supporters of different candidates doing a show.

[JDPriestly]

25. Face it, Hillary was exhausted and cried because someone

complemented her appearance. She was at the breaking point. The tears were not tears of empathy or sympathy for anyone other than herself. She borrowed the this is personal to me line from Edwards. He said that over and over in Iowa and in the debate. He means it. She "means" it, but in a different way. Hillary is cold-hearted. I don't like her personality one bit.

[durrrty libby]

30. 'Face it" You have a psychopathic prejudice against HRC

Anyone consumed with how she "nods her head" needs psychological help

[codeindigo]

31. their are a lot of nasty people on this site...this is very disturbing.

:yoiks:

[durrrty libby]

33. "disturbing." is putting it mildly

[Andromeda]

50. Did you forget to take your medication?

Hie thee to the medicine cabinet!

[ihavenobias]

28. Just an FYI---The entire episode of this show loops 24 hours a day

commercial free at www.theyoungturks.com

They do this every day of the week for the most part (that is, they loop the show from that day or previous day, all day after the live broadcast).

Also, Wes Clark Jr is not currently an every day co-host, although that may change (he's usually on every Wednesday although as you can see he was also on today's show). There will be a new format for the show starting January 16th (more details to come).

[avrdream]

35. I agree, very disappointing of the Obama campaign.

She teared up over questions of her appearance but not over Katrina - give me one small friggin' break!

[FrenchieCat]

36. So let me get this straight,

When the CLinton campaign including the CLintons and their surrogates
Speak of Obama in terms of:

Preacher
Charismatic
False Hopes
Fairytales
Hillary's "Hard Work" while Obama "talks"
MLK was no LBJ
OBama just Shucks and jive

and Rove adds to the pile on by referring to Obama being lazy--guess he doesn't "do hard work"!

This series of code words (yes, Wes Clark on MSNBC used the word "Preach" when describing what Obama does-Boy was I ever disappointed!) linked together describes a black Preacher who runs his mouth preaching toward "false" hopes which entails no real work being done, while being treated without question; a fairytale....


So the Hillary campaign can imply and hint to and suggest instead of simply describing Obama as a gifted instinctual politician who was also an Columbia/Harvard Grad/community organizer/state senator/u.s. senator/Presidential candidate.

No points for the actual and fact based strategy that it is Obama that had young people in his background in Iowa, which is an image that Clinton unoriginally snatched from Obama for her Iowa Victory speech? It is Obama that is bringing so many new people to the polls. It is Obama that defied all logic and won a 99% white state and beat out the establishment.

But instead, we are bombarded with the implication that Obama is the shifless one who offers nothing by talk and false hope while Hillary does all of the "hard work"--

No credit given to any of Obama's work, and no credit given to Obama's smart political instincts,

Yeah....ok.....


but, When J. Jackson Jr. question the tears of another gifted politician which apparently helped her get over the hump in a competitive primary battle which shifts the polls on their head at the 11th hour, it is a 'new" Obama strategy? Although the media hasn't stopped talking about Clinton's "emotional" moment since it happened....

that's rich! :shrug:


PS. including that it is Wes Clark Jr. who's father happens to support the Subject of the media's obsession in terms of her emotional moment?

:wow:

[ihavenobias]

37. Two Things

1)-I hope no one is arguing that Hillary is an innocent victim in this campaign. As I've pointed out before, she (along with Edwards and Obama) *has* had her share of pointless criticism (regarding irrelevant issues like gender, tipping, her laugh, etc.).

But she's done some very questionable things herself, including the incredibly misleading flyer last weekend in NH suggesting Obama is not for women's rights, not to mention her suggestion that electing someone like Obama might lead to a terrorist attack due to his lack of experience. Those two things alone are AWFUL.

Everyone *should* keep all of this in context. Now with that said, it in no way excuses some of the ridiculous statements shown in this video (IMO).

2)-I previously raised the issue of Wes Clark Jr's bias earlier in this thread. I'm increasingly annoyed at how he defends Hillary no matter what (as opposed to Cenk who both praises, defends and criticizes ALL of the candidates).

[sniffa]

38. oh you're just playing the race card

you forgot the latest: "hip black friend."

[durrrty libby]

47. Amazing. You should start a petition asking Obama to please

let JJJ be his permanent spokesman. I will gladly sign it

It would be awesome to see much more of him on the MSM

PM me when you have it set up. I can't wait :thumbsup:

[awaysidetraveler]

56. NBC vs. Obama

        We'll be seeing more of this kind of reporting from
NBC, because General Electric owns NBC.  
	The United States vs Antoin Resko and Ali Ata is really
General Electric vs. Obama.  George Bush appointed Patrick
Fitzgerald as prosecutor after the CIA Plume leak forced
Ashcroft to resign, and he appointed St. Eve to the position
of judge after her work as an associate attorney prosecutor
for the Whitewater fraud case.  General Electric owns NBC, who
first aired the Rasko case, and Conrad Black–convicted of
fraud by St. Eve and Patrick Fitzgerald–owned the Chicago
Sun-Tribune, which first published the articles connecting
Rasko with Obama.  Black’s fraud case changed to a minor case,
probably because the judge leaked some documents to the
jury–youtube the jury on the Black case and note that the
saving documents were not presented by the defense.  It’s all
timed to wreck Obama’s chances, because General Electric has
billions to lose if Obama becomes president.
	It is important for a media source separate from NBC and the
Chicago Sun-Times to investigate the details surrounding the
Antoin Resko case, before this kangaroo court makes a mockery
of the Democratic Primary.   

 

[nevergiveup]

69. Thank you Frenchie for some balance

I saw Wes Clark's comment on Morning Joe and I about fell out of my chair. It wasn't only what he said but also his tone. The Clinton campaign is using all these code words to attack Obama. Jessie Jr. doesn't use code but rather comes out and says it. It is all equally disturbing.

[Leopolds Ghost]

39. White voters take offense whenever anyone reminds them how Dems abandoned NOLA. It's a "black issue"

And Obama is "polarizing" whenever he "resorts to dwelling on" a "black issue."

Dems manned the barricades to keep inner city residents from fleeing into Democratically run Jefferson Parish.

Dems voted UNANIMOUSLY THIS CHRISTMAS to tear down New Orleans' public housing -- under a plan crafted BY CLINTON -- and evict the homeless encampments. 5 days before Christmas.

"More race based, polarizing nonsense," right, "mainstream" Dems? Like that "Jena Six nonsense".

[Mithreal]

42. It's also a "class issue" with economic refugees in the US

The poor and displaced do not have many champions in Congress. The middle class doesn't have many champions either. NOLA is not just a "black issue" but I get your point, I think.

[chascarrillo]

62. Search for "Hillary Clinton" and "Harry Lee"

Hint: Harry Lee was the Sheriff for Jefferson Parish until he passed away last year.

[Mithreal]

43. The Obama team is disappointing me

I want to be a part of the enthusiasm for Obama but this sort of thing is really turning me off to his message. Accusing Senator Clinton of not having compassion for others is very low class and a lie. Obama should rethink this. If anyone thinks this makes Obama look good, better think again.

My choices were Kucinich, Dodd, Edwards, and I am torn between Obama and Clinton, but it would seem these sorts of things are helping me decide who to be against. I would rather not be against any of them. Can't they see that we don't want them to tear each other down? Save the venom for the Republicans. I see more venom against Democrats here often, but I do try and take it all with a grain of salt and realize that emotions are high.

[Deep13]

45. Jesus Christ.

I got 1:48 into it before I turned it off. I don't care who his dad is. This guy is a doucebag.

[Peregrine Took]

48. Oddly enough, in Chicago, he was perceived as a nice guy and not a racist

yet now I hardly knew him he's lost so much weight and his attitude, also, seems to have hardened. Is he playing "bad cop" to Obama's "good cop"?

He (Obama) would be much better off if he would stay away from all race baiter's who seem to be surfacing lately.

Very bad idea to have such spokespersons.

[7horses]

46. If the Obama people...

think that Hillary got votes for crying, why not tell Obama to
try crying.  He has taken a few ideas from other candidates
and tried to make them his own, why not the crying?  Go ahead,
cry and see what happens.
No, I'm not for Hillary, but I will vote for her or for Obama
if either is the nominee.  

[Evergreen Emerald]

51. More code from Obama's people: black versus white.

Our time is now.

[awaysidetraveler]

52. NBC vs. Obama

        NBC is against Barak Obama, so we may be seeing more
of this kind of nonsense.  
	The United States vs Antoin Resko and Ali Ata is really
General Electric vs. Obama.  George Bush appointed Patrick
Fitzgerald as prosecutor after the CIA Plume leak forced
Ashcroft to resign, and he appointed St. Eve to the position
of judge after her work as an associate attorney prosecutor
for the Whitewater fraud case.  General Electric owns NBC, who
first aired the Rasko case, and Conrad Black–convicted of
fraud–owned the Chicago Sun-Tribune, which first published the
articles connecting Rasko with Obama.  Black’s fraud case
changed to a minor case, probably because the judge leaked
some documents to the jury–youtube the jury on the Black case
and note that the saving documents were not presented by the
defense.  It’s all timed to wreck Obama’s chances, because
General Electric has billions to lose if Obama becomes
president.
	It is important for a media source separate from NBC and the
Chicago Sun-Times to investigate the details surrounding the
Antoin Resko case, before this kangaroo court makes a mockery
of the Democratic Primary.    

[Hillary2008.]

53. ..

[RBInMaine]

54. Can't attribute it directly to Obama.

No one can say Obama in any way directly ordered this. Yes, he should clarify the record and tell his staff bigtime to NOT say this sort of thing. Jackson at the least should be seriously admonished. But at the same time BE FAIR. Hillary and her people are playing the gender card, and I'll damn well tell you right now that the "You Go Girl" vote WON'T be enough to win in the general election. I like Hillary in general and will vote for her if she's nominated, but you tell me how in hell she wins the men, Independents, and some red states that MUST, I say again, MUST be won back to win the general election???? These, NOT THE WOMAN VOTE, is what we have lost to the R's bigtime and MUST have to prevail in the GENERAL election in November. I don't see how Hillary does it when half the country and those very constituencies DO NOT LIKE HER. THAT IS REALITY!! SO GO OBAMA!!!!

[bigscott]

68. Bullshit

JJJr is very high up in the campaign= this was no accident

Donnie McClurkin, JJJr, wow BOH has a lot of wonderful people representing him. So much for change

makes me sadder by the day this country does not recognize the intelligence and ability of someone like Senator Dodd or Governor Richardson but has this American Idol mentality over BOH, HRC etc.

we are electing a President - not "America's next Supermodel"

[ProSense]

55. McAuliffe credits emotion for Clinton win

McAuliffe credits emotion for Clinton win

[awaysidetraveler]

57. Hillary should be named Patsy....

        Yeah, Hillary should be named Patsy, because that's
what she is.  NBC will eat up this story about the tears, and
they'll use it all the while to direct votes back into the
Republican Party.  That way the Emir of Qatar will stay happy.

	The United States vs Antoin Resko and Ali Ata is really
General Electric vs. Obama.  George Bush appointed Patrick
Fitzgerald as prosecutor after the CIA Plume leak forced
Ashcroft to resign, and he appointed St. Eve to the position
of judge after her work as an associate attorney prosecutor
for the Whitewater fraud case.  General Electric owns NBC, who
first aired the Rasko case, and Conrad Black–convicted of
fraud–owned the Chicago Sun-Tribune, which first published the
articles connecting Rasko with Obama.  Black’s fraud case
changed to a minor case, probably because the judge leaked
some documents to the jury–youtube the jury on the Black case
and note that the saving documents were not presented by the
defense.  It’s all timed to wreck Obama’s chances, because
General Electric has billions to lose if Obama becomes
president.

	It is important for a media source separate from NBC and the
Chicago Sun-Times to investigate the details surrounding the
Antoin Resko case, before this kangaroo court makes a mockery
of the Democratic Primary.    

[indimuse]

63. why don't you "travel" away and take your "sideshow" with you!

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[populistdriven]

58. I am outraged at Hillary's staged tears

[wisteria]

59. This I don't like. And, it is a concern in considering Obama.

You do not run as a leader able to bring all sides together, then have one of your spokespeople out in the media suggesting that the white candidate has no feelings for the Black people. Really bad idea, IMO. And, how would Jackson know Senator Clinton's true feelings about the tragedy in NO.

[chascarrillo]

60. Thank you for your concern

[debbierlus]

61. It is BS. And, I agree. It will backfire.

Not very smart.

[stickernation]

65. GO EDWARDS !!!

GO JOHN EDWARDS !!!

JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT !!!

this is too perfect a moment for me to miss saying that...

...it is so nice to get to duck out this and certainly many future food-fights that can be predicted between obama and hillary ! ! !

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF THE PRIMARY SEASON SLINGING MUD AT ONE ANOTHER ?

This is what "the big two" candidates seem to want to do !!! Are you really that with them ???

ABANDON YOUR ALLEGIANCES TO OBAMA AND HILLARY !!!

RECONSIDER JOHN EDWARDS FOR YOUR FURTHER SUPPORT !!!

Yarrrrrrr !!! :woohoo:

[MindMatter]

67. Not electable. Not electable. Not electable.

People, wake up. Obama is not electable -- especially if he is going to use Jesse Jackson as a spokesman.

Clinton's negatives prevent her from ever getting a majority. The only scenario where she can win is if Bloomburg comes in to split the vote, but that probably hurts her worse than the GOP candidate.

This is our only good hope for straightening out this country. We are blowing it, as usual.

The only candidate left in the running who can win the election is Edwards. period.

I sure wish I had some say in this. Why the F--- do people from Iowa, NH, and SC get to decide this for me every time?

[never_get_over_it]

71. I called Jackson's office

and told him 1. it was disrespectful to call SENATOR CLINTON Mrs. Clinton and 2. that I was going to vote for the Dem candidate who seemed most concerned about Katrina victims which appears to be John Edwards who actually went down there to build houses.

I did not like this....

[cooolandrew]

72. I think we did hear very little from Hillary during Katrina that affected alll races in reality.

[Marie26]

73. Just in time for South Carolina. nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

74. He said he was going to take back the future, and what could be more admirable?