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Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 03:01 PM by Diclotican
CGowen
Interesting.. Was not that a thing US forces used in Vietnam also, to no use because the vietcong, and the North vietnamese armed forces just melted away, and was attaching other places where US forces was not used to se armed warfare?:... Someone here once pointed that out.. It was not working then, and are not working now, because the civilian Will always be traveling and just not siting down at one place all the time..
And to try to stop the violence with walls have never stopped warfare... Maybe slow it down, but never stopped.. If US want to give Iraq the same Chance they gave Germany (Vest) and Japan, they have to come out with another plan than this... Some like the Marshall plan in Europe maybe?.. It Worked before, and the US industry was one of the group who get the most benefit from the rebuild of Europe.. Both in sale of almost everything a modern nation need, or want.. And in respect, because then America was blending the whole thing in i "we are helping the european to build their life after ww2".. And it work pretty well for the most part if I say so... Why cant the american use the experience from the Marshall plan when it come to Iraq... Or for the sake of it, for the Middle Eeast... Syria, Iran, and some other places what they need more than anymore is work, and thing to use.. That was the genie of General Marshall, who was getting a whole program named after him.. To rebuild, and share the surplus of american products.. From the newest car, to the simplest of thing.. And _that_ was given the european a generation of friendship to US, Not armed forces and out bombed homes and City's.. Maybe the generals, and the political leadership SHOULD have read the history of Europe from 1945 little more carefully?.. And not least, read their Middlestern history.. Then they maybe be in position to do someting?..
But then, we do have a totally incompetent administration who had a plan for the war, but NO plan for the time after the war.. They was believing that they just was roiling in, and then let iraq do it, and even get the hand of the oil.. And it backfired terrible, extremely terrible. I don't want to use bad language... But that is not easy, in English, or in norwigian... This Administration, with all its "geni" are just air and nothing else.. And the cost are for the american to pay....
And when have Wall stopped people to travel around in their own country?.. Should UN in New York try to block american inside walls, because in New York it have been a lot of crime and violence.. Even UN Representatives have not been unharmed from violence.. Should think what americans have say that, if UN want to block american after etnisity... This is not a receipt for anything than violence... And it was not working in the two germans either.. East german citizens was doing what they can to climb the wall who divided both germany and Europe.. Many was killed, many died, but in almost 50 year, east german and others was climbing over and down on the other side.. Regardless of what come next.. Freedom is a powerfully tool, and Will NEVER be dead.. Even in the hands of american armed forces..
To build this Wall around separating a historic Sunni enclave from the Shiite neighborhood is just telling the world, and the iraqi that the war is failed, and the are just doing something who maybe can dull the war down some... And it is telling to extremists that the thing they are doing, in fact is working.. Instead of moping up, and rebuild Iraq, they are using the money to try to protect them self.. Not Iraqis or other, but them self. We al remember when Reagan was telling Gorbatsjev in 1988 to "tear down this wall" to the sound of thousands of west german who really want the wall to fall. But to everyones suprice, the wall really was falling down, in 1989... I remember the totally suprice everyone had.. And the fact is that not even CIA or the other western intelligence apparatus have a clue, when the east german state almost collapsed in a few months...
When shall a another american president say the same word in Baghdad, separated in a generation or two.. That is what US are doing now, exactly what the russian was doing, to try to stop what was bleeding East Germany dry in the 1950s.. And it failed miserably then, and I am afraid it Will fail miserably this time around too... And this time it is not Russia who are the enemy of Iraq, it is the US, and it is not Russia who are the occupied party, but the US.. Even UK want to draw down the forces to a minimum, maybe even all british forces out of Iraqi all together.. And then US are alone, very, very alone in a country who doesn't want them there.. Even then they know that without the US forces a civil war Will come... But with the armed forces of US, a civil war Will come, but more silent and without all the "bang":.
And I can almost bet my paycheck that if US was to withdraw and Iraq was going into civil war, both Iran, Russia and US would use all means to get their "groups" to have the best weapon... And US have a lot of good weapon... And I doubt they had leered too much after Afghanistan, where the same groups who are now attaching american military forces in Iraq, was giving weapon even the US forces doesn't had.. Like the Stinger, who was given "freely" to the forces who was attaching the soviet forces in the country..
Diclotican
Sorry my bad Engelish, not my native language
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