Olbermann: Worst Persons 12/04 - Lou Dobbs; Gonzales Cancelled

[Hissyspit]

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December 4, 2007 - Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN

[tularetom]

1. Unfrigginbelievable - as I watched Dobbs rant about "elitist media"

I almost could have closed my eyes and heard the same bullshit coming from Orally. The rant was full of references to "liberal lily" "media critic" and ridicule for the guy refusing to appear on Dobbs stupid show. If he would have said something about secular progressives or the war on christmas i'd have been ROFl.

Wonder what audience CNN is going after.

Anyway KO nailed him pretty good.

[Ishoutandscream2]

2. It was Billoesque

I kept thinking, "This sounds like Billo." Wow, Dobbs has hit yet another high in low.

[awoke_in_2003]

3. If Lou Dobbs spent 1/4 of the energy

he uses going after illegals, and turned it against this administration, they would have been impeached by now. God, what is worse, undocumented workers or a government gone wild?

[lvx35]

4. I disagree with Keith on this.

Its like the attack on Romney by Guliani, its just not valid to call somebody a hypocrite because they give money to a company that employs illegals. It shouldn't be our responsibility to ask for the green card of everybody who sells us a candy bar.

And complaining about illegal immigration isn't racism. We need to wake up and ask why the government claims the right to read our emails, break into our homes, disappear us without a warrant etc but can't stop 12 million illegals from entering the country. The reason is because allowing the illegals justifies, as an act of "national security" the continued involvement of American tinkering and destablization in latin American countries. The same people who brought us coup after coup and banana republic after banana republic are the people who back the illegal immigration, because for them its all just one big banana republic, from tierra del fuego to montana.

[aquart]

8. Poor spin. Really.

The illegals in show jumping are NOT "selling a candy bar." They are part of the basic economy of the sport. They are the SERVANTS. To insist that the obsessed Dobbs doesn't know they're there or shouldn't care that his major preoccupation is cleaning the stalls for his daughters' horses, is the same mindset that believes Bush didn't know there were no wMD in Iraq or Iran.

As for the ignorance of saying that illegal immigrants are used to justify our interference in Latin America? LOL! No nation needs a justification like that. That's what doctrines are for. Ever hear of Hands off the Americas? Or spheres of influence?

We look the other way because our agricultural economy would collapse without them.

And we don't have to worry about it much longer. As soon as the dollar drops to where the peso is a better value, they won't be coming here to earn money to send home. You also won't be able to afford an apple.

[lvx35]

13. You'd better wake up to the reality of this.

First, instead of making tenuous arguments connecting my comments to Bush on WMDs, why don't we look at Bush's actions on the ACTUAL topic we are discussing? Bush has done nothing to secure our borders, even while we become subjected increasing to the kind of police state you would expect from Pinochet. Bush's inaction here isn't because he is liberal or "not racist", its because its a deep part of the agenda of the Republican elite, and its something you can observe from everything he does: Private military in Iraq. Turning telephone companies into branches of the intelligence community. The trade agreements. The Republican agenda is to weaken nation states in favor of a world without borders ruled by powerful multi-national corporations. The blurring of the United States with Mexico is a critical part of this plan.

This terrible situation we're in with illegals comes literally from decades of destabilization of latin American countries, always with the same theme: weaken Latin American nation states in the name of US interests, where "US Interests" is taken to mean the interests of US corporations in the region. This is the reason Pinochet was installed (talk of nationalizing corporate interests in Chile) and its why democratically elected Chavez is spun as such a dictator, he refuses to structure his country for the interests of US corporations. Up until the last several years, the US was largely sheilded from this, but now the disolving of the US nation state has begun, as corporate titans take control of all politics.

Our economy wouldn't "collapse" without illegals, it would improve and grow the middle class because laborers could no longer be paid dirt, which means more money would need to come from the top. This means financially strong labor and a strong left, which is why bush opposes it. (see Europe/Euro to see it in action) A strong US nation state isn't mutually exclusive to strong Latin American nation states, it just happened that that's what we had while they were destablized with events like the September 11th coup in Chile. But these chickens have come home to roost, and you're right, the dollar is plunging to the level of the peso. That's not good news for latin America, its bad news for us. We're headed very soon for one big banana republic called the Unity of Americas, or American Union or some such thing...The only difference is that the proverbial bananas will no longer be coming to us at artifically deflated prices, they will be going to a new multinational business elite that control their constituent nation states like puppets. And this REALLY isn't in the interests of the left...

[jjr5]

10. Thank you hissyspit for posting this . . .

I was about to post it myself because I thought it was so hilarious!

If you think that Lou Dobbs is not "a hypocrite" even though he, "gives money to a company that employs illegals," you either have not watched CNN for the past 5 years, or you're being completely delusional. "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!! :( " is all that Lou Dobbs talks about - during every show, every day, every year, all the time. Seriously, just take a moment and watch CNN at 5:00 pm Central Standard Time (something that I've learned never to make the mistake of doing again, ever! -yeah, CNN basically sucks when it comes to, umm, giving actual NEWS) and you'll understand where Keith is coming from.

Don't get me wrong, Keith does have his bad moments, but admittedly, Dobbs has gone off is rocker, and therefore, this segment is very funny. lol.

Oh, p.s., and targeting a racial group (he primarily focuses on illegal immigrants from you know where . . .) every day, to an exhaustive degree and demonizing an entire group of people based on the fact that they aren't "middle-class (*shh!* white) Americans, and apparently only detract and don't contribute to our economy - qualifies as a bunch of lies and gives hints of the sickening stench of racism.

[nachoproblem]

12. I think you're forgetting

that the people you're talking about are absolutely committed to keeping illegal immigrants illegal. Otherwise they would never be able to exploit them here, in this country. And they need to do it here, as opposed to South or Central America, because God knows somebody needs to trim their lawns and turn down their sheets for them, and damned if they're going to pay more than a buck an hour for that. If they started giving away green cards right and left, it would all go to hell in a handbasket right away. And if they restricted the legal immigration quota to zero, like they want to, they would have to reach for a justification farther up in their asses than they could get with a probe *and* a flashlight.

But I'm pretty sure you knew that. I'm just making sure we're all on the same page.

[OHdem10]

5. If KO is trying to improve his ratings--going after Lou Dobbs

is not going to help.

We do have an elitist Media. Some of them are honest enough
to admit it. Tom Brokow has talked about this. The Media
used to be from the working Class. Now many of them esp.
in TV are millionnaires. There is nothing wrong with this
Many are attorneys by training from the very best colleges.
They move in the same social circles, attend same parties
and have similar lifestyle as those they cover.

[aquart]

9. KO isn't worrying about improving his ratings.

They're fine.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

11. keith olbermann frequently gets higher ratings than lou dobbs...

check tvnewsers daily rating charts at www.tvnewser.com

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. "The Media used to be from the working Class."

Funniest line of stupidity I've heard all day. You either don't know what the media is, or don't know what the working class is. Or, you're just a fucking fool.

[spag68]

6. Dobbs

Has apparantly forgot about our border to the north.

[Mark D.]

7. Immigration

Is an issue to consider and Lou makes a few good points.
But sadly, a few too many. He has been golden in a rally
cry to bring attention to a shrinking middle class and a
great bunch of writing and commentary on 'exporting jobs'
which is a bigger issue. A lot of the 'importing' of the
folks who'll take our jobs via HB-1/2 visas is also what
he talks about. His arguments are more eloquent and they
show intellect far beyond Billo's barroom idiocy. That's
not a fair comparison. With all due respect to a journo
I put above all others on TV (Olbermann) another I rank
high (for his coverage of every other issue but the "I"
word) should not be hopefully too much of a focus for
his future analysis. One minute of FAUX SNOOZE is far
worse than an hour of Dobbs. Keep aiming for them...

[Trucker Bob]

14. Do you mean the one that.....

we ship the majority of the oil and natural gas you use in the Midwest over? Think of how much you'd save, both in dollars and lives, if you simply bought from Iraq instead of the course taken.

As for migrant workers, two of my sons pay their workers a starting wage of $20/hr, so no threat there. Oh, and health care, 100% covered. Maybe that's why Smarmy Lou picks on your neighbors to the south.

Not to be picky, but the word is spelled, apparEntly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Dobbs is a reactionary

The American working class - which, until the post-War period, was as radical as the working class elsewhere - was essentially bribed for 45 years. The vaunted "higher standard of living" was the fruit of this bribe from the capitalist class. It wasn't a gift. It was a calculated and necessary expense, first, because the US was the seat of consumption, and second, because it was the bulwark against an international worker's uprising. It has become unnecessary now. Why?

1) Cheaper shipping and information goods mean that the location of labor is relatively unimportant with respect to consumption. You don't need to locate a working class with a consuming class. That this leads to a crisis of overproduction is clear enough, but the crisis of overproduction is and always has been the bane of free market economies. Marx was right about that. We didn't escape from the basic tendency of capitalist systems for 45 or 50 years. We merely deferred it, or found temporary counteracting tendencies (credit, production innovations, etc.; don't forget that the much ballyhoo'ed "just in time" production model was designed precisely to prevent this tendency from manifesting itself, as it always does and always will).

2) You no longer have an organized international worker's movement, however much that concept was bastardized and abused by state socialism. As such, you no longer need the bulwark or the bribe.

So the bribe has been rescinded, and now the bribe-takers are crying about it (that's us). But the bribe was very specific. It said: we'll provide you with a higher standard of living so long as you avoid international working class solidarity. No alliances with other workers! None! That was the deal we, the so-called "middle class," struck with the capitalists. It's over. We're back to maximum use of surplus value: outsourcing, cheap labor, fuck your standard of living, the chains of the credit economy, fast collapsing around us. So what does Lou Dobbs' say?

"More bribe! More bribe! No alliances with other workers! No international working class solidarity!"

And this passes as "progressivism" to fools and liars. Because Dobbs apparently takes the side of the workers against the corporations, a magic trick, a feint, a con and a scam. Lou Dobbs, like Pat Buchanan before him, has found a way to make support for the true goals of corporate capitalism (maintenance of working class fragmentation, prevention of a true, free-moving labor market that could demand high wages) appear in the shape of a pro-worker argument. It's a fucking lie, just like every lie the capitalists have used to set worker against worker, divide and conquer, kill solidarity at every turn, be3cause only solidarity wins the day. Now the capitalists get to have it both ways: they move to the cheapest labor possible while having the very labor movement they are crushing rally behind their arguments. There's your fucking hero, Lou Dobbs. Divider of workers, manintainer of working class fragmentation, supposedly sneering at the "elite," while pushing forth the means to maintain and extend elitism. The jokes on you, worker. Ya been took. Again.