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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:14 AM
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Republican YouTube Debate: Mitt Romney Refuses to Call Waterboarding Torture
 
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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/28/romney-torture-black/

Romney Refuses To Call Waterboarding Torture, Says He’ll Consult With Blackwater’s Cofer Black

During tonight’s CNN/YouTube debate, a YouTube questioner asked the candidates why they refuse to condemn waterboarding as torture. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney said that before making such a determination, he would need to get “counsel on a matter of this nature” from “a lot” of people. One of the people with whom Romney said he would specifically like to speak is Blackwater vice chairman Cofer Black:

I am not. I’m not going to specify the specific means of what is and what is not torture so that the people that we capture will know what things we’re able to do and what things we’re not able to do. And I get that advice from Cofer Black, who is a person who was responsible for counterterrorism in the CIA for some 35 years.



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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:22 AM
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1. Why doesn't the dumbass think he needs to lay out what is and what isn't torture?
He's running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FUCKING STATES! He better damn well outline every goddamn policy from torture to how many Saudi asses he'll kiss while touring their country.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:18 AM
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2. Romney really is an empty suit.
What a dumb motherfucker. How did he ever get to be where he is? McCain should have punched him in the face.
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:07 PM
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6. Shiny face, good hair, impeccable suit...Mannequin!!
Mitt Romney will say whatever the polls tell him to say and his appeal is purely a cosmetic mirror of what the Republicans wish they looked like. He's a mannequin that can be propped up in any window and dressed to look and sound like whatever they want him to look and sound like.
I can just see Carl Rove with his hand up Mitt's arse making him talk and move his mouth like he has something to say. Carl Rove was raised in SLC and I don't know that he's a Mormon, but he has all the skill and careful obfuscation of words and manipulation that the Mormon leaders instill in their mouthpieces and doo-doo-gooders.

Revisionist history is such a big part of the Mormon spin that Mitt can't help but change his story to fit the moment. It's in the blood, and Mitt's blood is true blue Mormon (TBM), making him a charlatan by association if anything else.

Mitt Romney is a card carrying dyed in the wool Mormon, but that also makes him a strong believer in doing whatever it takes to get what he wants, even manipulating the press, "lying for the Lord", feigning his manly hunter prowess, or denying his own faith and background in the LDS church. He comes from a long line of men who have been carefully conditioned to manipulate words.

As a former Mormon I recall many many lessons on doing just this. From the teachings that blacks and other people of color will become "A white and delight-some people" when they become Mormons, to revisionist history in many other issues the Mormons, especially the hierarchy and leadership, reflects the extent they'll go to to deny, distort, cover up, and manipulate the information. Mitt Romney is a 6th generation or more of this kind of practice.

When he spoke out to Larry King about how he thought there was nothing more horrible than Polygamy, then told the Newsweek reporter that he was a member of a Judeo Christian religion, and much more are all reflections of his willingness to minimize his religious background, deny his own culture and faith, and jettison loyalties faster than grease through a goose. I too think Polygamy is horrible, but as a former Mormon, I would not deny my own heritage in something that the bulk of the people believed in and supported, even if I did not agree.

I too would not be too excited about calling myself Mormon if my actions did not reflect the teachings of the Church's doctrine, but he claims to be one of the good ones. To call himself a member of a "Judeo Christian sect" is akin to denying his own faith. The cock will crow twice more and no doubt Mitt Romney will deny his own faith at least that many more times before the years up. He makes me sick, not just as a devious Mormon, but as a human being.

The Southern Carolinians and Bob Jones University officials, Born Agains, and other so called Christians who are willing to sell out to support "the best of the worst" are going to get exactly what they deserve if they continue to support this charlatan. He'll be as easily swayed and disloyal to them and their bigoted narrow causes as he is to his own faith and family. This guy is a puppet and a joke. Stick him in the window of a department store with a nice suit and shove your hand up his arse to make him say whatever you want him to say.

He's what those out of the church call a Mor-bot, a McMormon, a figurehead. I'm embarrassed to call him American. I'm ashamed that he is a reflection of the Mormon Church (even though I don't like the doctrine), and ashamed that he's still part of the human race. In two years he'll be the butt of jokes whether he succeeds or not. America, do not make the mistake of letting another Moron, Mormon, oops, member of THE Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints rise to power. If I've offended anyone, I sincerely apologize. (if I nod my head and slightly close my eyes and use that sing songy voice, does it make it sound more sincere?) Excellent... you are all now placated.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:52 AM
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3. Political candidates are very adept at non-answers, but Romney takes it to
a whole new level. I have watched a couple of different clips from the debate, and he has waffled and danced around and NOT answered in both of them.

I would LOVE to see him face to face with Biden. Call the medics.
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rabies1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:01 AM
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4. Romney should be waterboarded first then answer the question of torture.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:57 AM
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5. I thought McCain was gonn' walk around the podium and hit
the mother fucker. The expression of McCain's face was one of barely contained rage.
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ampleforth57 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:41 PM
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7. Why is it so hard?
As a retired military person I cannot understand why these people can't admit that water boarding is torture. While I don't like much about him, I have lots of respect about McCain's stand here. During the late 70's I took part in an experimental POW training program. One of the techniques they used on use - in a VERY limited manner - was to tie us to a chair and put a wet towel over our face. It doesn't take long for your breathing to become so constricted that you start to feel like you are suffocating. The Army abandoned the test shortly after I went through the camp.
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:48 PM
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8. House of Cards
If Waterboarding IS torture, and detaining people in Guantanamo without legal counsel or other rights stated in the Geneva Convention and our Constitution IS illegal, and lying to the world about the WMD and motives of Saddam Hussein IS wrong, and forcing the nation into this illegal and terrible war IS a bad thing, then the whole house of cards falls down. You see, it's the smallest and most fragile card in the deck but holds the whole facade together. To remove it, admit it's wrong, and denounce torture would in essence prove the rest of the shit our Govt. has imposed is wrong. The lie must be maintained in order for the whole story to be swallowed. It's no different than the house of cards that is the basis of Mormonism, therefore Mitt Romney is so well skilled in maintaining the "Temple" of lies, that he's the perfect candidate for the Republican party. A pretty liar is far more palatable than a homely truth teller. We "U.S.Americans" have primed ourselves for just this sort of charletan. We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing such people to come to power, and as the culpable ones, we are also equally responsible for righting this gross wrong by expelling and punishing them. It's time to get off the fence and kick their asses.
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