VETERANS AND SUICIDE -- AN EPIDEMIC -- PART 1

[babylonsister]

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This is so tragic, the numbers that the VA didn't want to release are STAGGERING!

[Jensen]

1. Support "OUR TROOPS" my A**!!!

Sick of this bullshit!

[peace13]

2. Oh Kati it must be such a surprise to you.

All of your war song has brought nothing but pain and suffering to our troops and their families. The sound of your voice makes me physically ill.

[Rainbowreflect]

3. My sister works with the families of military suicide.

She saids that this is so much more common than we could ever believe.

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[babylonsister]

5. That's a mature, compassionate attitude. Maybe you should enlist? And

not all soldiers are killers.

[jph wacheski]

6. that a point,. a bit harsh but a point,.

I have difficulty as well, feeling much remorse for people who willingly join the military, the only job of which in America today is to go thousands of miles FROM America to kill people they never met, in defense of a radical capitalist system gone way wrong. An from some of the videos and reports from the ground 'over there' some of these kids likely made the right move,. rape and murder of a 14 year old girl and her whole family? how much is unreported?
However most of these young people are poor or need money for school, that the repugnacins don't give a damn,. and they are mind-washed into nationalism and patriotism,. two very dangerous tools of the global pirate bankers. No mater who wars they bankers always win! It is time to take down this corrupted and dieing system and rebuild something new that works,. peace.

[peace13]

9. Wow!

Many people talk about supporting the troops but your comment is the first truly sad commentary I have heard. They kill because we ask them to. If we do not supply them with a commander of high morals their job will be very ugly. It is all of us doing the killing, I hate to break it to you. We have failed the military.

[johnp]

11. Hmmm, apparently some people here support the military

The idea that people who join the military because they are poor and need the money is a total cop out. Probably just say that so you will feel sorry for them and ultimately support them. Anyone who joins the military and does not believe that he or she will be asked to kill people or raid their houses or setup roadblocks in front of a disaster area to keep people from helping themselves has got to be the most stupid person on the planet. Maybe after enlisting and at boot camp they stick a gun in your hand and hand you a knife and say shoot and stab the target shaped like a person; maybe it clicks in their head then. Pathetic! The entire military exists to kill and wreck things and blow things up, thats what they do. Why else would they harbor so many weapons that the general public is not allowed to have? Their entire existence is about subjugating people, and I compare it no less than slave masters enslaving other people. At least slave masters would whip the person first and hope that straightened them out prior to killing them. If every soldier on this planet caught some disease, so much the better. At least I have the balls to say what I think and don't hide behind some ridiculous idea that they are just victims looking for a way out or are somehow misunderstood. You people who support the military, go look for another party, because the Democrats the party for you.

[johnp]

12. Sorry, typo, the Democrats are not the party for you.

[babylonsister]

13. So you're saying that if people here support the military, they're not

Democrats? Did you come up with that rule all by yourself?

[johnp]

20. A lesson on the Military Industrial complex for those who don't understand

Eisenhower was one of the few military people to touch on this and this is an important thing that gets overlooked and I feel I need to explain it for those who blindly support the military. It is not a coincident that economy tanks at times of war. Those who are in charge and need warm bodies for their evil purposes create an economic situation that appears to others that their only way out is to join the military. They then offer all kinds of incentives to these poor people to get them to show up and fight for the industrial complex. We need to educate people and let them know that they are falling for it. I suppose I should feel sorry for poor people who enlist to better their situation but on the other hand I can't feel too sorry for someone who is willing to except the mark of the beast only to better their economic situation. I feel that it is nothing more than robbing someone else, usually worse off than you, to put bread in your mouth. I have no sympathy for someone who sticks his morals between his legs only for short term economic gain, its no different than what Bush has done his whole life. So is this what you want to teach people?

[peace13]

14. Too funny on the 'typo'.

The mind spills from the fingers!

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the rules of this site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Do not post messages that could be construed as advocating violence or military defeat against the United States, the U.S. military, US service people, or the people of the United States.

Do not post broad-brush smears against US service people. Do not blame the troops for the mistakes of their officers or their Commander-in-Chief. Show the appropriate level of respect to those individuals who have put their own lives on the line to defend this country.

This may not be the site, or the party, for you.

[Ladyhawk]

23. Go take a flying fuck at a donut. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

7. :(( K&R n/t :((

[slipslidingaway]

8. In 2005...over 6250, 120 per week, from 45 states n/t

[babylonsister]

10. Those figures are so hard to even fathom! Someone needs to find

out if there's a very specific reason. I wonder how this compares to VN suicides?

[slipslidingaway]

16. Yes they are hard to fathom! Now that there is some data and

some numbers this should receive more attention and comparisons.

Link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3715583

"Biden, a Delaware senator and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he wants the government to presume that soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with brain injury or post-traumatic stress received their injuries because of the war. Currently, soldiers must prove their injuries were the result of war, he said. Biden wants the presumption to shift in favor of the soldier unless the government can prove the injury wasn't because of their service. (BOLD is mine)

He said returning soldiers need immediate treatment because they have the highest suicide rate of any generation of veterans, the highest divorce rate and the highest percentage of soldiers suffering brain injury.

``If we allow them to get caught up in this bureaucratic nightmare, we will inflicting another wound on them,'' he said.

He criticized the Bush administration for resisting attempts to increase funding for veterans care. He said the administration fears that acknowledging so many soldiers need care will bring out the true cost of the war in Iraq."

[Stinky The Clown]

15. The numbers are truly staggering. But I need a frame of reference

How do these numbers compare with other population groups? Or other generations of vets?

More suicides in a year than Bush has slaughtered over the duration of his fucked up war.

[cutlassmama]

17. Sigh

suicides by young males outnumber those of females by six to one. These same males also outnumber female veterans by 13 to 1. Now, do the math again, and you actually find that suicides by veterans are lower than the general population.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. You got some backup for that?

I can not believe that if we extrapolate out 5000 annual suicides for Iraq returnees, we'll find it lower than the national suicide rate. That would, it seems to me, make suicide the leading cause of death in America.

A link to your assertion would be helpful.

[lovuian]

18. These statistics are just merely the ones they know about

how many are those who died in car wrecks and other supposed accidents

I believe there is a desperation and despair that is promoted by the military training going on

They are messing with our children's minds

One of the premises you learn in basic
is that your worthless mindless and your drills sergeant's slave

They want them to be robots

but the human mind doesn't work that way
the Unconcious can be a very haunting place and I bet medications can make it even a hell to escape

God Bless them all and hopefully now they are at peace
Bush can't send them to Iraq anymore

[bdamomma]

21. God, how disgusting is that, those young people are so messed

up when they come back, and after what 3 or 4 tours of duty or less tours of duty, wouldn't you be, and they are not getting the mental health support they need. Jeez, turning away is not going to cure this, all those who do turn away, shame on you, just shame on you.

Mental Health is so underfunded and under played.