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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:49 AM
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John F Kennedy's Bodyguards Ordered Off Of His Car
 
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Why Were John F Kennedy's Bodyguards Ordered Off Of His Car?

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:07 AM
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1. Very interesting!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:13 AM
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2. Thanks, Nomad, but I just can't watch this tonight.
Maybe tomorrow. :hi: And good night.
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Crayson Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:18 AM
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3. Think, who profits from it, who has the power to cover it?
Just yesterday I happened to see the JFK movie again.
It raises sooo many interesting questions.
Sooo many coincidences...

And that one central sentence: "Think, who profits from it, who has the power to cover it?"

History repeats itself.
Imagine now a democratic president who would clean up the mess and finish the war(s) and cut all the war/security budgets and spend the money on healthcare/education. This president will have as MANY POWERFULL ENEMIES, as Kennedy had.
War is a HUGE industry and those bosses will do everything to keep it going.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:51 AM
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4. This video made me feel real ill when I first saw it
Why has it taken this long to show this footage?

This fateful day was the start of some real bad times for this country and we only have a little more altitude left to pull out of our tailspin. Fuck, this video makes me feel rage just thinking about it. I can't stand to watch it again, but everyone needs to view it once.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:31 AM
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5. k&r. Heard someone refer to Dallas as "the city that killed President Kennedy"
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 07:32 AM by elehhhhna
just this weekend -- IIRC it came form Burnt Orange Report (which I otherwise love), and wanted to EXPLODE over this cute remark. The "city that killed Kennedy" wasn't Dallas.

I think it was a group effort from DC, Arlingotn VA, Chicago and maybe Kennebunkport.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:22 AM
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9. According to Hartmann and Waldron the killers tried in FLA and ILL --
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 10:22 AM by IndyOp
but couldn't quite pull it off. Kennedy had 3 largely unescorted, top-down rides in just a few months time -- one in Florida, one in Chicago, and then Dallas.

Like a rapist, they continued to stalk until they got their prey.

:nuke: :cry:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:13 PM
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13. Do you have a link?
I'm not convinced there was high-level conspiracy to kill Kennedy, but I'm open to the idea. I'd like to hear / read what Hartmann says.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:31 PM
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14. I think it is mentioned in "JFK 2"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121

For all i know Hartmann tells only part of the story, presents only part of the evidence - though he may have added a few bits, there's no new evidence that refutes older evidence - and ends up drawing the wrong conclusions about "who did it".
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:12 PM
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16. "Ultimate Sacrifice" is actually a 600+ book...
I read the first 50 pages, but felt too bogged down by the intricate detail about the documentation they examined + all of the code names sound the same to me. The website for the book includes the "Introduction" to the book and mentions Morales -- it is here: http://www.ultimatesacrificethebook.com/

:kick:
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:44 PM
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21. Some info to be found here --> cuban-exile.com
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 02:46 PM by Mika
http://www.cuban-exile.com/

http://www.cuban-exile.com/menu1/%21menu.html

Look for the Miami OCB (Organized Crime Bureau) files/docs.

Some JFK stuff here..

http://www.cuban-exile.com/menu1/%21jfkmenu.html

Esp. this,

4. Secret Service report on the Nov. 18th Miami Trip This report outlines the entire Miami scenario which includes Cuban threats and agreements.
http://www.cuban-exile.com/doc_051-075/doc0066.html
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:31 AM
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24. Kennedy's death shows that even a president isn't
in control of the US...
who ever ordered the bodyguards off the car and placed the driver who slowed down... that is who ruled America and I think LBJ knew and was haunted by it
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:11 AM
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6. Thanks for posting. n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:14 AM
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7. Thanks for posting. I wasn't able to see it on a previous post (format).
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:12 AM
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8. Yeah, well, whatever.
I saw Kennedy in Colorado Springs after he gave the graduation address to the cadets at the Air Force Academy. Guess what? Same configuration.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:07 AM
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19. If you look real close at the dude getting off the car... it looks like he's asking his buddies..
what they want for lunch. He then seems to grow aggravated when one of the others wants a tuna sandwich and he's clearly throwing his hands up in disgust, saying, "Fucking tuna!" You have to look real close and read his lips but that's definitely what it looks like. Now, I saw this movie once where a CIA guy ordered a tuna sandwich so clearly it's possible that someone in the Secret Service likes tuna sandwiches too and therefor... ergo... I agree with you, there's nothing unusual about this video at all; unless, of course, these conspiracy nuts want to pretend that it's not possible for a Secret Service agent to grow frustrated over constantly ordering tuna sandwiches.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:50 AM
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10. What does the Warren Report say about this?
Does it address the question of why these Secret Service Agents were odered off the car?

Here's a site that offers some new information:

"HISTORY" CORRECTED 35 YEARS LATER BY PRIMARY SOURCES


by Vincent M. Palamara

(EDITOR'S NOTE: The following news story, by historian and researcher Vincent M. Palamara, sets the record straight regarding the long-repeated falsehood that President John F. Kennedy was somehow responsible for his own assassination because he ordered Secret Service agents off his open car and otherwise fatally undermined the performance of his bodyguards. Palamara, widely recognized as the preeminent expert on Secret Service personnel and procedures during the Kennedy era, has secured the first on-the-record comments from agents in the presidential detail of November 22, 1963 and other primary sources.)

These mutually corroborating stories shed important new light on the conspiracy to murder the president, and put an end to groundless, designed-to-mislead speculation that has plagued the assassination investigation from its inception and otherwise contributed to the obstruction of justice. C.R.D.)

The following former Secret Service agents told me in on-the-record interviews, and in no uncertain terms, that JFK never ordered the agents off the rear of his car, was not difficult to protect and was in fact extremely cooperative with the Secret Service:

Gerald A. Behn (chief of JFK's detail),
Floyd M. Boring (#2 JFK detail agent),
Arthur L. Godfrey (one of three shift leaders on the Texas trip),
Donald J. Lawton (on the Dallas JFK detail),
Rufus W. Youngblood (#2 agent on Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson's detail),
Samuel A. Kinney (driver of the Secret Service follow-up car in Dallas),
Robert I. Bouck (head of the Protective Research Section),
Robert Lilley (a member of JFK's detail from election night until one month before Dallas),
Maurice G. Martineau (agent in charge of the Chicago office) and
John Norris (a member of the Uniformed Division)
Agents off the rear of limo
Representative responses by former Secret Service agents and others to my question, "Did JFK ever 'order agents around', including having them dismount the rear area of the limousine?" were as follows:

Kinney (interviewed on 10/19/92, 3/5/94, 4/15/94) -- "Absolutely, positively no. He (JFK) had nothing to do with that, no, never ... President Kennedy was one of the easiest presidents to protect ... ninety nine percent of the agents would agree."

Lilley (interviewed 9/27/92, 9/21/93, 6/7/96) -- "I'm sure he did not. He was very cooperative with us once he became president. Basically, (his attitude was) 'whatever you guys want is the way it will be.'"

Godfrey (interviewed 5/30/96, 6/7/96; correspondence 11/24/97) -- (JFK) never ordered us to do anything. He was a very nice man ... cooperative. He never asked me to have my shift leave the limo when we were working it."

Behn (interviewed three times on 9/27/92) -- "I don't remember Kennedy ever saying that he didn't want anybody on the back of his car. I think if you watch the newsreel pictures and whatnot, you'll find agents on there from time to time."

A photo from the Tampa Tribune of November 19, 1963 -- three days before the assassination -- clearly supports Behn's contention. It depicts agents Donald Lawton and Charles Zboril on the rear of JFK's limousine in both urban and suburban areas, during a politically significant, high-visibility presidential visit to Florida.

One of the earliest and arguably most influential (to this day) misrepresentation of JFK's relationship to the Secret Service, and in particular to agents on his various details, can be found in "Death of a President," by William Manchester. One passage in particular exemplifies the lengths to which "respected" historians such as Manchester have gone, knowingly or otherwise, to falsify the record.

"Kennedy grew weary of seeing bodyguards roosting behind him every time he turned around, and in Tampa on November 18 (1963), just four days before his death, he dryly asked Agent Floyd Boring to 'keep those Ivy League charlatans off the back of the car.' Boring wasn't offended. There had been no animosity in the remark." (1988 Harper & Row/Perennial Library edition, pp. 37-38)

When asked to comment on the record about that portion of "Death of a President," Boring said that the statement attributed to him by Manchester is, to say the least, inaccurate. "He quotes me?" Boring asked incredulously. "I never told him (that JFK ordered agents off the limousine). (JFK) was a very nice man, never interfered with us at all." Indeed, Boring stated that he was not interviewed by Manchester-- a fact that is confirmed by the book's source notes.

Until publication of this article and its correction of the record by first-person sources, the Manchester-originating falsehoods, among others relating to the assassination in general and Secret Service in Dallas in particular, have been accepted and repeated as fact by a mainstream media bereft of alternative testimony.

The assessments of JFK as a "security-friendly" chief executive were confirmed during on-the-record interviews with JFK aide Dave Powers and White House photographer Cecil Stoughton (both in the Dallas motorcade), and with June Kellerman, widow of Roy H. Kellerman, the #3 agent on the JFK detail.


JFK Lancer
(It hasn't been updated for over 7 years and I can't vouch for its authenticity)

It still doesn't answer the question of who ordered the SS Agents off the car...
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:11 PM
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11. Man found with gun sitting in stands at Bush visit before election
in my town... heard from chief of police. The dude was an off duty cop from 150 miles away but secret service did not know how he got through metal detector and all their security. They aren't perfect that's for certain.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:15 PM
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12. kick this up at youtube
It's dying over there.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:39 PM
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15. Has this ever been mentioned in any of the many books
on the assassination, does anybody know?

Great link. Thanks for posting.
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sagesnow Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:12 PM
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17. Is this video of LBJ's mistress on JFK's assassination for real??
Madeleine Duncan Brown, LBJ's Mistress, testifies that LBJ, Nixon, H.L.Hunt, Hoover and others met in Dallas just before the assassination to plan the hit. She says LBJ would have been indicted for fraud in the Texas Agricultural Department (while he was governor of Texas), but he was able to have the investigation stopped after he took office as President. She says she testified because of the way her son, LBJ's illegitimate child, was treated by LBJ's estate executors. She also give a chilling story of the disappearance of her son's nanny.
I found this woman very credible. What do you DUer's think?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6962062879996612313&q=madeleine+duncan+Brown
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GETPLANING Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:44 PM
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18. She is very credible
I have watched the interview three times. She is just too candid to be making it all up.
Fascinating interview, best taken in over a few days, because it's long, and complicated.
Required viewing for anyone interested in politics.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:36 PM
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20. I think LBJ and Pappy bush had planned a coup
but LBJ realized what a frikkin retard pappy is/was and took complete control



;)
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:16 PM
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22. What's interesting is that there are NO comments at youtube for this video (viewed 1225 times) n/t
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:53 PM
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23. RFK Jr. on his AAR show totally lost it when a caller had a conspiracy theory
about LBJ.
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