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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 08:25 PM
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Bill McKibben (protested tar sand pipeline) interview on PBS NewsHour
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Posted on YouTube: August 30, 2011
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Posted on DU: August 31, 2011
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On Monday's PBS NewsHour, Jeffrey Brown interviewed two experts on the Tar Sands Pipeline project recently approved by the State Department: Robert Bryce of the conservative think tank Manhattan Institute, and environmental activist Bill McKibben, who was among those in Washington who protested the pipeline project. McKibben on the Thom Hartmann program.
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nineteen50 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 08:41 PM
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1. We don't like toxic waste
put a penny under it and America will take it and use it to
poison their people, land and air.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:15 AM
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4. Energy companies would not even be considering
the riskier methods of tar sands extraction and deep water drilling such as Deep Water Horizon had other sources of petroleum, some in Saudi Arabia and other in even more remote and hostile areas not be reaching their limits.

The notion that the US should be excused for its CO2 emissions because other less developed countries on our planet are now industrializing and use more energy thus driving up the CO2 levels is false. The US, Britain and the rest of the West - the first world if you will - are responsible overall for the centuries of accumulation of CO2. The CO2 in the atmosphere is not the product of a few decades of industrialization, it is the product of a process that has been ongoing since the Industrial Revolution and modernization which only in the past few decades has reached east Asia and India and some countries in South America.
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dash_bannon Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 10:54 PM
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2. The Robert Bryces will cause our extinction
Robert Bryce is a good soldier for his Oil Industry masters.

He uses a logical fallacy to dodge the issue at hand; Americans must reduce their carbon footprint.

If we lead, the rest of the world will follow. If we do nothing, the rest of the world will have to fend for itself.

I imagine Mr. Bryce is very well paid.

The key is to create a sustainable energy future and wean ourselves off of dirty non-renewable energy sources.

All the Bryces of the world have to do is keep the water muddied so that people aren't fully informed and nobody demands action be taken.

We're toast.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:07 AM
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3. Bryce's arguments are products of reductionist
methods of logic breaking a problem into its smallest fragments then focusing on the details of the problem without looking at how the whole operates and integrates with other wholes....or for that matter what is the purpose of the whole...
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:19 PM
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6. he truly is a skilled sophist,& very intelligent, good thing he's not a Republican POTUS candidate
Oh! wait, skilled, intelligent, in the race for Republican presidential ticket?, ahh, never mind.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:15 PM
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5. thanks for posting,it was a great, reasoned debate,shows why PBS is mission critical to US democracy
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:23 PM
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7. This CANNOT go thru PERIOD!
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humanityisfree Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:23 PM
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8. Modern Day Manifest Destiny
In briefly looking into who is at the state dept. that has their hands in this here are a several at the top of the list – I realize that these are not the folks in the “trenches” as it were, but it still helps to shed some light. I want to keep digging but I’m on my lunch break…

So for what its worth:

Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs: Robert D. Hormats = The former vice president of Goldman Sachs International

Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources: Thomas R. Nides = Morgan Stanley, as the head of government affairs, also CEO of Credit Suisse First Boston

Take a look at the company that the state dept contracted with to conduct the enviro impact survey... Cardno ENTRIX... maybe if someone has more time they can dig up some dirt?

thanks
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:31 PM
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9. IF BIG OIL, would spend as much on TRUE alternate energy,,,
as they do for the promotion, the fight to continue using, the buy-offs of COngress etc, an alternative source would have ALREADY been located, developed, products made for, jobs created by and for, and everyone be better off.
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