We Failed in Wisconsin, Thanks to Corporatism

[Weird Liberal Head]

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But just because we lost this battle, just because we're confused about WHY we lost, indeed, whether we won or lost this battle, doesn't mean that we have to lose the war against corrupt, Conservative Corporatists.
We just need to keep up the fight, and WIN!
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Democratic/Progressive failure in Wisconsin, conservatives, and now liberals realize it-
http://nation.foxnews.com/wisconsin/2011/08/10/democrats-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/869...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/wisconsi...
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/democrats-fail-retake...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190391810457...

Where was Obama?- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/obama-mia-wisc...

Romney 2012: Corporations ARE People- http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/romney-says...

[elocs]

1. No, we did not fail. We did not succeed to the desired degree, but we did not fail.

We did not lose either. We succeeded in taking 1/3 of the seats held in the recall elections by Republican incumbents. That was not a loss.

[Richardo]

2. +1000

Absolutely correct :patriot:

[Weird Liberal Head]

4. Redistricting

We took two seats we're guaranteed to lose when they're up for re-election.

[elocs]

8. And by then we will have had the chance to recall Walker & elect a Democratic governor

who will veto Republican bills.

Don't always look at the glass as half empty.

[Weird Liberal Head]

10. I try to have hope...

My slogan is "let no one tell you hope is impossible, least of all yourself", and I try to live by that. But re-districting in Wisconsin will be finished (VERY much in the Republican Tea Bag Party's favor) before the recall election for Governor Walker, assuming there is one.

[William769]

3. We did not fail.

We did not lose the battle, actually we won the battle for better positioning. The war is not won, but winning it is achievable now.

[Weird Liberal Head]

6. Again:

Redistricting will make ALL the difference.

[HereSince1628]

5. We don't call it a failure up here...

True, it wasn't a successful overturn of the senate anymore than the Battle of Midway won the pacific campaign in WWII.

But the tide has turned here in Kochconsin. We'll take our battles one at a time, all the way to retaking control in Madison.

The immediate battle is to secure the two dem senators going under recall next week. Everything points to success there.

Progressives in Wisconsin are organized and mobilized. We've decided to pull things back to support progressive values, and I suspect that the Democratic National Committee is watching us as much as Scott Walker.

[Weird Liberal Head]

7. I hope so.

But I bet a LOT of Democrats in Wisconsin are gonna be so demoralized, they won't go back to the polls. But the Tea Baggers will be elated and excited and enthused thanks to their "victory".

[elocs]

9. The Republicans may be spinning it as their victory, but they are nervous.

They sure are.

[Weird Liberal Head]

11. Really?

Not the ones I talked to.

[elocs]

26. Really? Because the ones I've heard here in Wisconsin are worried

although they are putting a brave face on it.

So as far as I am concerned the ones I have talked to trump the ones you have talked to. See how that works? :bounce:

[Weird Liberal Head]

27. If you say so.

I just hope they aren't bluffing you, then.

[HereSince1628]

15. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is better than committed veterans

in the political ground game.

We just made a couple thousand of them. If you hang around the Wisconsin forum you'll run into many of them.

In politics, what doesn't kill you really does makes you both wiser and stronger.

Everyone felt disappointment, that's normal. It seems some folks need to talk their way to catharsis. But there are many more people on the ground who know what a local ground game is really about.

They, WE, are ready for 2012 and beyond.

[Weird Liberal Head]

16. I HONESTLY hope so

But every day, I see less and less reason to hope. Corporations are gonna be in complete control of America, instead of WE THE PEOPLE.

[HereSince1628]

21. I hear your anxiety...I know it's real, let it pass.

and with apologies to Frank Herbert...

Fear is the mind-killer. Fear of failure is the little-death that brings on hopelessness.

In Wisconsin we have faced our fears.

We invited fear into our lives. It passed over us and through us. And now that the fear is gone, we turn our inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there is now nothing. We remain--

Knowing that fear, the root of all conservatism, has no power over us.

[Weird Liberal Head]

23. I don't know...

...I'll try, but I feel powerless compared to the Koch Brothers, Wall Street, the Republican Tea Party, etc. We, as progressives, have little to no power, and it does not look like we're gaining any in the near to medium term future.

[JAnthony]

12. Oh, it's my buddy... yes, corporatism, mostly Fox News

which has captured the minds of the under-educated, and less than analytical thinkers..

Then we have millions poured into the Republican campaigns...

I wonder how Scott will do in his recall election.

[Weird Liberal Head]

13. Are you saying

I've been brainwashed by Fixed Noise?
You have NO idea how wrong you are.
Governor Walker I actually think will WIN his recall (again, assuming there IS one)- he has Koch/Corporate $$$ on his side, and if Alberta Darling's victory showed us anything, that's all he'll need.

[JAnthony]

32. WOW, I hope you're wrong, as I'm sure YOU do, too!!!

But I think hudreds of thousands of people in that state, (which I assume is NOT your own) will wake up and vote him out next April.

He's not exactly the poster boy for the Republican Party in America, for gosh sakes! Even Republicans think he has gone over the edge, and doesn't represent what USED TO BE Republicanism, conservative principles, presented in a respectable way.

Hey man, I go back to being your age when Kennedy and Nixon were being nominated !!! I can remember the comments of my parents then, and I can remember that my parents were for Nixon, and I was for Kennedy, after I figured out I didn't have to think like my parents thought, as I say, about your age.

Republicans running for President have another 8-9 months to make fools of themselves, and Walker isn't about to stop being booed in public appearances.

I'm sure we both hope corporatism cannot defeat the will of informed American voters. I learned that in 1960, when some of us could see that Nixon was a sociopathic liar. Others didn't wake up until I was in grad school 14 years later, when Nixon PROVED he lied, and PROVED we never should have trusted that man to be in Congress in the first place, let alone select a corrupt VP, and then be forced to resign in disgrace. Thank God for Gerry Ford, one of the last honest Republicans of the USA, EVEN IF Gerry didn't quite have the intellect to know much about Poland and foreign policy.
And, Oh yes, I get your point, corporatism is MUCH MUCH MORE in play NOW in Wisconsin, and nationwide, than it was in 1960 with Nixon, but somehow I do NOT think Walker is someone who is supported by a majority of people who would bother voting for him AGAIN in a recall... and the polls bare me out on this, I'm sure.

[Weird Liberal Head]

33. I hope I'm wrong

and I hope you're right. But I just don't feel as optimistic as you do. By the way, you're right, I DON'T live in Wisconsin- I live in the Keystone Republican state of Pennsylvania.

[OHdem10]

14. Heck no we did not fail. The Corporatists put millions in but

the Democrats went into Republican territory and
won two and came very very close in others. This
in some of most Republican(rurla) districts. This
is an accomplishment for Dems. (Rural, folks).

[Weird Liberal Head]

18. "Democrats in Republican territory"

Let me stop you right there.
We elected Democrats in Republican territory, which means that even in a neutral election year, they'd probably lose re-election. 2012 is leaning more and more for the GOP.
After redistricting, which the Wisconsin Democrats passed their opportunity to play a role in, those districts will be even MORE Republican. Then we'll lose those seats.
It's simple politics.

[tsuki]

17. I watched the trolls all day Wednesday blog with "concern" the

following memes: All Is Lost and Give Up.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Republicons do not want a Walker recall. The Republicons spent 10x defending six safe state senate seats than they did in the 2010 general election. What is it going to cost them to defend Walker, and then move into a general election?

The Republicons have few boots on the ground. They pay for everything. Liberals, I turn 65 in January and I am returning to my liberal roots, have boots on the ground. What is the cost difference? Let's say it is $4.00 an hour. 1000 boots is equal to $4000 an hour. 10 000 boots is equal to $40 000 an hour.

The Republicons want to depress the enthusiasm and the commitment.

I say, GO CHEESEHEADS!

[Weird Liberal Head]

19. I hope you're right.

But the Republicans have Koch/Corporate money, and if Alberta Darling's VERY disappointing re-election showed me ANYTHING, it's that Koch/Corporate $$$ controls Wisconsin politics.

[tsuki]

29. For how long. The Republicons are asking the oligarchy, who

worship money with the fervor and ecstasy of a fundie at a revival, to write a blank check. I am sure that sets well with the oligarchy who is financing the present Republicon bureau-cracy. Have you seen how many think tanks, PACs, Chamber of Commerce, Teabaggers, authors to be propelled to the best seller list, puntwits, lobbyists, and last and least, the Beltway Botox Brigade that are dependent on the oligarchy purses. Now, they are fighting recall efforts in Ohio, WI, and hopefully, MI.

Back down now, and give them a money break. Hell NO! That's what they want, a break to recoup. Because how many times can you go to the well?

[demwing]

20. I appreciate the "Always look on bright side" enthusiasm

but the stated goal was to take back control the state Senate, and stop Scott Walker from ripping the state further apart.

Wisconsin did not acheive that goal.

Change the goal, regroup and fight again, get mad and burn stuff, whatever needs to be done, but do it honestly. Start by admitting that the recall attempt failed to do what it was intended to do.

Pretending it was a victory isn't realistic, and helps nothing. Sorry.

[HereSince1628]

22. Union forces marched out to Manassass, were routed, and won the war

Wisconsin progressives didn't win the campaign we had hoped to win. But it was hardly a complete failure.

What would 3 senators have done? They would have stopped the ALEC-led juggernaut.

What can 2 senators do after this historic recall? They can stop the ALEC-led juggernaut. Hows that? Because sentiments in the state have changed. The people of Wisconsin put real accountability back on the menu of citizen response to excess.

[Weird Liberal Head]

25. People always get drowned out

by Corporate people. Mitt Romney today just told a group of angry progressives like us "corporations are people". They are drowning us out, soon they will squish us. Why does nobody see that?!?

[tsuki]

30. No. nt

[Weird Liberal Head]

24. I agree.

That's what I'm trying to explain. This was NOT a victory, it was a defeat, but we can STILL try to win the war, instead of obsessing over this one battle!

[elocs]

28. You are 100%, absolutely WRONG!!! This WAS victory, NOT a defeat.

To say and claim otherwise is complete bullshit. No, we did not win the absolute and complete victory we sought, but it was a victory.

The ones obsessing on this battle are the people who continually try and claim that the strides we made in Tuesday's historic recall elections were actually a defeat and somehow we in Wisconsin are too stupid to realize that.

BULLSHIT!!!

[murielm99]

31. Wisconsin won.

We know it. They know it. Even the things that live under bridges know it. Their spinning is simply whistling past the graveyard.

There will be more recalls. And 2012 will be a rout for repukes and trolls, no matter how much money they sink into it.

I admire you, badgers.

[Weird Liberal Head]

34. Hmm...

...I'm hearing from a LOT of progressives about how we lost.

[RetroLounge]

35. We certainly did NOT lose

what state do you live in? It's not Wisconsin, because you'd know we took 2 senate seats and came close in other strong repuglican districts.

Stop listening to republicans and think for yourself.

RL

[demwing]

36. Let's see, you needed FIVE seats, the best you will get is FOUR

You can live in ANY state, except denial, and see that FOUR is not greater than or equal to FIVE.

The fight is not over, but the recall effort failed to take control away from the Republicans.

[RetroLounge]

37. Whatever.

Enjoy floriduh, you guys know SO much about winning.

RL

[demwing]

38. Im being honest

you're unhappy with that, and so decided to be rude.

[RetroLounge]

39. Try doing a little reading

http://www.progressive.org/walker_republicans_lost.html

RL

[demwing]

40. You assume I haven't

and you can't seem to make up your mind whether you want me to "think for myself" or follow along with what someone else thinks.

In any case, you're still dripping with unwarranted attitude, and I'm done with you.