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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:19 AM
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Mindnumbing! Reason TV reporter insults teachers and shows questionable ability.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 11:25 AM by madfloridian
 
Run time: 06:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7icVvDK9I
 
Posted on YouTube: July 31, 2011
By YouTube Member: ReasonTV
Views on YouTube: 35152
 
Posted on DU: August 02, 2011
By DU Member: madfloridian
Views on DU: 6237
 
This is from the Reason TV website at You Tube. They seem to be proud of this reporter and her insults to teachers. Her talking points are just so trite, and my heart went out to the teachers there.

Good for Matt Damon and for the teachers who had the guts to speak up to her. After seeing her condescending attitude toward teachers, I am having to bite my tongue.

This is what public school teachers are going through right now all over the country. These are the talking points being used by our very own Arne Duncan as well.

It's sad. I usually try to add some transcribed parts when I post a video, but I can't right now.

Instead read the top comments, they say it all.

Here is one in case they take it down:

Dear "reason.tv" - Stop hiring reporters based on whether you'd fuck them, and start hiring them based on whether they can perform a coherent interview.


That comment has 171 thumbs up.

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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:21 AM
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1. Isn't Reason.tv a Randian, libertarian outlet?
If so, I wouldn't expect any better from them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:23 AM
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2. Yes, but that doesn't excuse lack of common sense when interviewing teachers.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 11:47 AM by madfloridian
I found this insulting. I did not mention their political bent as our own party is saying the very same things.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:35 AM
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4. are they related to Reason Magazine
whose editor was a complete asshole on Maher's show a couple weeks ago?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:41 AM
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7. Looks that way.
http://reason.tv/about/

This mentions the Reason website.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:01 PM
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17. Oh, I agree totally.
I'm far more outraged by our own party, however. I expect a lack of common sense and critical thinking when it comes to libertarians.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:07 PM
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18. Exactly.
I share your outrage with our party. When Bush used these same policies against teachers, he did not get away with it. It took a Democratic administration to harm teachers this way.

It scares me her attitude toward teachers is shared by so many Democrats.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:34 AM
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3. She is a student leader for Libertarians
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:38 AM
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5. studying to be the next Bachmann?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:39 AM
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6. Well, she sure got Matt Damon riled up. Pathetic interview.
But the website is featuring it like they are proud of it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:45 AM
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8. From her twitter link....she's proud of that interview, laughing at Damon
and the teachers. Proud of being famous on the internet.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:18 PM
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22. Koch is behind this student movement
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:25 PM
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23. and Whole Food's John Mackey
http://studentsforliberty.org/college/the-morality-of-capitalism/

“Capitalism is a source of value. It’s the most amazing vehicle for social cooperation that has ever existed. And that’s the story we need to tell. We need to change the narrative. From an ethical standpoint, we need to change the narrative of capitalism, to show that it’s about creating shared value, not for the few, but for everyone. If people could see that the way I see it, people would love capitalism the way I love it.”

- John Mackey, Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Whole Foods Market



Check out the 'free' book they are giving away....


The Morality of Capitalism

The task before us, then–if we wish to actualize the truly free social system that is laissez-faire capitalism–is to provide and defend its moral justification. We must convince fellow students that capitalism is not just the most efficient system, but a virtuous one as well.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:55 AM
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9. Once in this country teachers were treated with more respect than this.
I find it sad to see this mocking interview.
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DocMac Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:35 PM
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13. I agree!
Respect for your teachers, elders, and parents. Somethings shouldn't change.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:12 PM
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10. From her twitter link.....calls teachers bullies.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 12:13 PM by madfloridian
MichelleFields Michelle J Fields
My inbox is flooded w/ grotesque & vulgar messages from teachers. I can't believe these bullies are responsible for educating our students.
10 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MichelleFields


This is the reality of what our teachers are facing now.

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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:28 PM
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11. Obviously this young woman did not do too well in school...
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 12:51 PM by 1monster
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:33 PM
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12. In her own mind she probably did. Read her twitter page.
http://twitter.com/#!/MichelleFields

She thinks quite well of herself.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:50 PM
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16. Yes, I know the type. I see them in school often enough. Never thought
they were all that intelligent. They alyways seem to have their little clicks in which their was at least one really smart kid who allowed all the others in the click to glide by on her hard work. And the pretty, popular one convinces herself that she made it on her own efforts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:12 PM
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19. Her twitters show she thinks she is on the front page of Reddit....
because it is such a great interview. It's probably a bunch of the teachers she calls bullies wondering how we got to this place in this country.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 03:30 PM
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36. Dunning-Kruger effect in the flesh
"The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority." -- taken from the Wikipedia entry at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Yea, there are bad teachers. In any metric that you construct, there will be 10% who score in the bottom 10%. I'm sure that result would come as a surprise to this reporter, wondering if she was onto some new undiscovered mathematical truth. But I would wager that even the worst teachers perform better on those metrics than your average college dropout businessman like, say, Bill Gates.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:11 PM
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37. Oh, I love that wiki page on the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I really do. I see so much of that kind of thinking around me where I live. Right wing radio abounds in this area of Florida, and if it is not right wing it is religious. Really. That is about the extent of radio around here.

And I have neighbors who have no clue of what is going on around them, yet they think they are superior to others because they can quote the latest from Rush and/or the local extremists.

From the link:

"The Dunning–Kruger effect was put forward in 1999 by Justin Kruger and David Dunning. Dunning and Kruger quote Charles Darwin ("Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge")<3> and Bertrand Russell ("One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision").<4>"

"The hypothesized phenomenon was tested in a series of experiments performed by Justin Kruger and David Dunning, both then of Cornell University.<2><5> Kruger and Dunning noted earlier studies suggesting that ignorance of standards of performance is behind a great deal of incompetence. This pattern was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis.

Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they can be trained to substantially improve."

AND:

They are immune to facts. Facts do not matter to them at all. Thanks for sharing the link. That was new to me but very apt.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 11:08 PM
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38. Notice that it is an American trait
The article mentions that there appears to be the reverse effect in East Asian countries. The ones, incidentally, where teachers are looked up to, studying is very important to get ahead in life, intellectual modesty is culturally valued, and where they end up on the top of international comparisons.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:43 PM
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14. She has great, -- credentials!
She got her interview technique from Colbert. Even though she doesn't "get it."

--imm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:49 PM
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21. Heh heh
:hi:
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:46 PM
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15. He says "Intrinsically paternalistic". The reporter has no idea what that means.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:45 PM
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20. Her twitter page is really shocking in what she says about teachers.
http://twitter.com/#!/MichelleFields

MichelleFields Michelle J Fields
My inbox is flooded w/ grotesque & vulgar messages from teachers. I can't believe these bullies are responsible for educating our students.


And she thinks she made Matt Damon look bad. She is really impressed with herself.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:27 PM
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24. I am going to step back from the abyss
and not say what I want to. That being said, she should be fired. Immediately. Interview me with that stuff and I'd probably smack that mic out of her hand. She has her talking points and the fact that she's hot. I wonder if Michael Bay wants her to give his Ferrari a car wash? Anyway, I really liked the dig at first grade teachers. My best teaching friends are first grade teachers and they have more intelligence and compassion in a TicTac container than this "reporter" has and can hope to have throughout the sad sack of woe that is her life. Unreal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:42 PM
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25. I had to change my wording several times...
as I also stepped back. In her own mind she's brilliant. It's like a universe and mindset I can't understand.

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yamblaster200 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:43 PM
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26. People are stupid
they want private schools to compete with public schools....and the gov't would have to pay for it to make sure it's fair. That way poor kids have the same opportunity as rich kids. That being the case....all the parents are going to want to send their kids to the best performing school in the area....costing the gov't a fortune. Also...they say the reason public schools are failing is because of incompetent teachers. If all the kids get sent to the best school in the area...they're going to need to expand....and when they do...where do you think they're gonna find more teachers? It would just bring the best private schools down to the level of the schools they're trying to replace at a greater cost to taxpayers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:47 PM
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27. Looks like they deleted the comment I posted, but the others are fun as well.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 03:28 PM
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28. This one was good.
"On standardized tests private schools tend to score about 25 percentile points higher than public schools."

What could it be, what could it be...? Vested interest for mandated success from parents who pay a fucking mint for the privilege of a private school? Nah. Social status and parental involvement have NOTHING to do with student success and you'd be a commie pinko dirtbag to suggest otherwise!

We are judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our midst. Since public schools must take in any and all students, regardless of circumstances, it is a travesty to under-anything them. Like the teacher from the vid said, you can't put a dollar sign on children. The hottie with the mic needs to take a long walk off a short pier.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:34 PM
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31. Most of the comments express amazement that she thinks she's good...
and they wonder why Reason proudly posted it. I love the comments overall.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:17 PM
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29. Who taught these young people to despise teachers so much?
And why? and when did it happen? They act so superior and their comments about teachers are simply sickening.

Please tell me how schools can function anymore with such hatred toward teachers going around?

http://twitter.com/#!/MichelleFields

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FightingBobsghost Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:25 PM
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30. To quote Keith Olberman...
This woman is an idiot!

Did she just really challenge John Kozol?

Love the look of pride in Momma Damon's eyes and her bay boy!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 05:28 PM
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32. But she thinks she's smart.
Good for Keith Olbermann for telling things as they are.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:37 PM
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33. She is so proud that Lawrence O'Donnell featured her interview.
She keeps bragging and bragging on her twitter page that she got the best of the teachers and Matt Damon.

"MichelleFields Michelle J Fields
I'm on the front page of Yahoo and apparently @Lawrence O'Donnell just called me a teacher hater on national television.
51 minutes ago"

http://twitter.com/#!/MichelleFields
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:51 PM
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34. K&R n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:58 AM
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35. Anderson Cooper put her on the RidicuList.
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 11:00 AM by madfloridian
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