Rachel Maddow attends Right-Wing NRA Convention with millionaire heiress, Meghan McCain

[onehandle]

Run time: 12:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of4f7dUaVJc   Posted on YouTube: May 07, 2011 By YouTube Member: onehandle Views on YouTube: 1   Posted on DU: May 07, 2011 By DU Member: onehandle Views on DU: 4224

 
Rachel, please stop associating with that fake celebrity.

[Raven]

1. I think I understand what RM was trying to do but I couldn't stand

to watch her trying to communicate with that vacant "valley girl". I switched the channel.

[eleny]

2. Did you catch her drive along with Councilman Burgess in Homewood, Pittsburgh, PA?

It was aired after the NRA segment. Just in case you didn't see it, it's here --> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/42939044#42939044

I don't often mist up watching the news but this segment got to me.

[onehandle]

3. I'm uploading that to political videos now.

[eleny]

5. Great!

I couldn't find it at YouTube. :hi:

[valerief]

4. That was amazing and heartbreaking. That was what the NRA (and our Congress) have wrought. nt

[eleny]

6. I kept wishing that Ms. McCain went along with them in Homewood

[valerief]

7. The icecaps are melting at an alarming rate, but Hell hasn't frozen over yet. nt

[eleny]

8. Hopefully, this interview cranks up the thermostat!

:hi:

[gejohnston]

23. which would do what?

Sorry the idea that stricter laws will keep guns out of the hands of gangsters or other preditors. Did not work in Canada in 1977, UK, Jamacia, or any other place. Murder and suicide rates remained constant.

[valerief]

32. Guns need to be kept out of the hands of regular kids. nt

[gejohnston]

36. already against federal law

or are you saying that kids should not be allowed to hunt or target shoot under adult supervision?

[valerief]

39. Hunting sucks. nt

[A Simple Game]

9. The two segments with Councilman Burgess

were really eye opening.

The people that don't allow cities to pass their own gun laws should be forced to live there for a week.

Thanks for the link.

[LAGC]

16. Yeah, because going after the symptoms and not the causes of gang violence works so well.

:eyes:

[baldguy]

17. I'm guessing you didn't watch the segment with the Councilman, did you?

Since he presented again & again & again empty buildings which had once been thriving businesses - but closed because their employees or patrons were victims of gun violence. NOT GANGS - just people trying to live their lives as best they can.

Guns just make that a whole lot more difficult.

[A Simple Game]

24. So if you get cancer

you will tell the doctors not to give you Chemo and Radiation treatments, you'll wait for the cure?

You can treat the symptoms while looking for a cure at the same time.

Don't just regurgitate NRA propaganda, watch the clips, they are very enlightening you may learn something.

I used to hunt when I was younger, although I don't hunt anymore I am still a gun owner. I am not anti gun.
But I never saw a need for a 30 shot clip, armor piercing bullets, etc.

[LAGC]

26. So what treatments do you recommend to alleviate gun violence then?

How many of these gang-bangers are actually using these 30-round magazines that Rachel keeps obsessing about? Seems like more of a fringe hobby for collectors more than anything else.

Even the much vaunted Assault Weapons Ban never got rid of them, just made them more expensive to buy.

Armor-piercing bullets? Pretty much any rifle round is armor-piercing. You'd effectively have to outlaw hunting to get rid of all those.

But then again, the gang-bangers aren't using armor-piercing handgun rounds are they? Sounds like more of a red-herring to me.

[A Simple Game]

31. A couple of things you don't seem to realize.

Any rifle round is armor piercing? Outlaw hunting to get rid of them? armor piercing bullets have no killing power for large game, they would just pass right through and do very little damage. Most hunters know you need soft bullets, and often hollow point. Steel jackets are only good for going through engine blocks and kevlar vests.

No the assault weapons ban didn't get rid of the large capacity clips, it wasn't meant to. Other than fully automatic weapons I don't believe any laws have been passed that take away weapons or accessories. That is just NRA paranoia.

A fringe hobby for collectors? Did you read a newspaper or DU a month or two ago? Did you even hear about Gabby Giffords? Six killed another thirteen injured, any of that ring a bell?

Now please tell me how you would handle your cancer? Why would you need a thirty shot clip?

What treatments would I recommend to alleviate gun violence? The same ones the Councilman recommended, you did watch it, didn't you?

[RSillsbee]

35. Any rifle round is armor piercing?

Any center fire rifle cartridge will defeat level II body armor. This is documented fact

[A Simple Game]

40. That's not what the people at the following link say.

Check here http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml for body armor ratings.

Doesn't appear they tested armor piercing, just FMJ.

[gejohnston]

37. take away their money

Unless you are too young to know, there was a time when street gangs did not have guns other than home made zip guns. Then the war on drugs and crack gave them the money to move up.

Sorry, the councilman lost all credibility when he started ranting about people walking around with machine guns as if you can go pick one up at Wal Mart.

[A Simple Game]

41. Yes, sixty is old enough to remember zip guns,

not seeing them personally where I live, but reading about them. I even remember watching a TV show explaining how they made them.

Did you have a hard time finding that one bit of hyperbole about machine guns that allowed you to discard all of his valid arguments?

You are right about taking away their money, good point. The war on drugs does seem to correlate with the increase of gangs.

[gejohnston]

42. some people think confuse some semi automatic rifles with machine guns

He had a few, but saying that putting more restrictions on target shooters and hunters who have no connection with the problem is going to work is not valid. That is why NRA has has such a huge grassroots support that crosses right/left divide, scapegoating the law abiding gun owner does not work and loses elections. Most if not all gang members could not pass the NICS check. A better solution would be for him to call for the ATF to find where the gangs are getting their guns and shut down that black market. I also agree with both NRA and Brady that federal gun crimes should go straight to federal court and not let local DAs plead them away.

[SusanaMontana41]

11. I saw that and it broke my heart. Thanks for sharing it here. n/t

[GKirk]

10. I'm sorry but that was an annoying interview...

...Rachel seemed so excited to have McCain agree with her on some types of gun control.
So excited she had to keep bringing it up over and over again. Big deal she found a gun owner
who wouldn't mind a few more gun laws. Gun owners run the gamut from no new laws to many new laws, big deal.

[JohnnyRingo]

12. Rachel Maddow uses common sense to gun control.

She and her girlfriend spent their first date at an NRA sponsored "Ladies Day at the Gun Range", so I don't believe anyone can say she's exactly in the anti-gun lobby. Instead, she advocates strict screening and regulating the ability for one person to become an unstoppable assault force. Like myself and local gun shop owners across the country, she would also like an end to carpet bagging gun dealers who come to town for the weekend and blow town with the local's money before anyone knows who bought their wares.

I'm old and a lifetime gun owner, and I remember when registration laws were much stricter than they are now and I didn't feel less free then. Of course I also recall when I could buy one through mail order, but there was a time not so long ago that interstate transportation was much more regulated. Dealers could sell guns only in the state they were licensed and unlicensed owners could only purchase weapons in their home state. Banning Hi-cap mags wouldn't take them away from collectors or make the millions of existing magazines illegal, it'll just stop future production of an accessory needed only for massacre by an army of one.

[gejohnston]

21. the carpet bagger dealers

should be reported to the ATF. A guy shows up with a stack of pistols or anything still in the box, it is kind of obvious to me.
That said, it is GANGS with guns, not someone who buys a pistol to defend themselves from GANGS or other predators. It also has nothing to do with target shooters or anyone else who do not profit from drugs and other gang rackets.

[JohnnyRingo]

27. That's true.

I go further in the gangs vs armed citizen comparison. It may not be popular, but I like the concept of state or even municipal regulation and very stiff regulation and penalties for transporting between state lines. The reason is while an AR-15 or Kalishnikov can be a common and useful tool while riding fences in Montana, the same weapon takes on more sinister properties on the streets of Chicago or Trenton.

[gejohnston]

38. I see your point

but few rifles are used in crime. Less than baseball bats. When I was a kid in Wyoming, no one bought them until the AWB made them popular.

[axollot]

13. Rachel makes valid points through out this and McCain can't

help but find herself on common ground with someone considered very "lefty" - Rachel is right, if she was to ask each person at the NRA convention about those issues when broken down, then people would agree - regardless of background. That's important, it's the biggest problem we face as a nation - finding ways to come to common ground but as always the barrier is the $$.

The people behind the money continue to create barriers and continue to find ways to divide us. I live in a very conservative district in NE FL. Everyday I find common ground with people that consider themselves to be very "conservative" but when you break down issues bit by bit you find that you as neighbors etc have more in common than do not.

Cheers
Sandy

[James48]

14. I'm sorry

but there is absolutely no legitimate reason to ban magazines.

Magazines aren't what cause death- it's the nut cases who pull the trigger that cause death.

Sorry, but I can't agree with Rachel on this one.

[LAGC]

15. Yeah, Rachel's kind of off her rocker and out of her element on this one.

Same with Lawrence when it comes to those "evil killer assault clips!"

[liberation]

19. Damn right, it is almost impossible to hunt them deer with a normal Glock magazine!

[gejohnston]

22. which is

about 15 rounds depending on model and caliber. Why the obsession with one Austrian company?

[Che Billy]

18. Slightly off topic...

Of all the better-known leftish pundits, Rachel Maddow is clearly the most talented by far. She's always incredibly well-informed making her better able to refute her interviewee's inaccuracies, she doesn't interrupt or try to out-shout her guests while they're spewing right wing lies (it's almost always better to let them finish and bury themselves in the process), and she always seems to carry herself in a respectful, even-keeled manner.

O'Donnell and Schultz; take a lesson from Maddow!

[gejohnston]

20. true but she has a few on this subject of her own

but no one is perfect.

[RSillsbee]

25. Welcome to DU

She's always incredibly well-informed

Unless she happens to be talking about guns

[Left coast liberal]

28. It felt awkward...

Rachel was cool but MM was nervous.

Them walking and talking didn't really work.

But I loved watching Rachel talk circles are MM.

[Merlot]

29. Even MM admitted at one point that she was "out gunned" by Rachel

ok, she didn't say out gunned, she said out argued. MM just kept repeating her same tired talking points.

I liked what Rachel was trying to prove, that you can be pro-gun and still want regulations. She was also pointing out that the NRA isn't the true voice of the people who own guns By having the owner of a company that makes the multiple round magazines on their board, they are more beholden to the corporations than they are to the actual gun owners. Gun owners would be better off forming their own organization than offering blind loyalty to the nra.

[RSillsbee]

30. I have to ask

Why does every disscussion of "reasonable gun control" focus on the gun owner losing more rights? Why don't the antis every talk about giving something up on their side?

[ParticleAntiParticle]

33. Give up what?

We give up our safety every day through terrible firearms regulation which makes it possible for anyone who wants a gun to acquire one without too much hassle. I don't know about you, but I have had a gun shoved in my face (fast food restaurant I worked at in high school was held up) and I know what I give up every day by allowing gun owners to purchase and sell firearms without proper oversight. What are you being asked to give up? High capacity magazines? I weep for you, seriously. You might have to fill out more forms? I'm crying a river here, no one is discussing taking guns away from licensed citizens just tightening the rules to exclude the very people (mentally ill, known criminals) everyone agrees should not have access to guns from getting them. Being required to wear my seatbelt while driving my car doesn't ruin my freedom to drive. And regarding giving things up, you can now carry your gun in national parks and the NRA is constantly pushing to expand gun owner rights and usually winning. When a society allows for proliferation of weapons throughout it to the extent that ours does, it comes at the understanding that casualties and crime will occur as a direct result of this policy. Let me ask, why is owning a gun more important to you then the lives lost due to America's gun policies? Why are the property rights of gun owners more important that the lives of other tax paying citizens?

[RSillsbee]

34. But the rules only seem to tighten on lawful gun owners

I don't know about you, but I have had a gun shoved in my face

Not quite my face but I do have a bullet hole in my ass, does that count?

What are you being asked to give up? High capacity magazines?

You do know they already tried this in 1994 and it was shown to have zero effect on crime right? ( it did cost Dems contriol of the house for 10 years though.

When a society allows for proliferation of weapons throughout it to the extent that ours does, it comes at the understanding that casualties and crime will occur as a direct result of this policy

Opinion please cite some facts

Let me ask, why is owning a gun more important to you then the lives lost due to America's gun policies?
Please show exactly which policies are cuasing lives to be lost

Why are the property rights of gun owners more important that the lives of other tax paying citizens?

Please show that I ever stated that they were