MSNBC: Kucinich w/ Cenk - 'No Fly Zone is an Act of War'

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Summary: Cenk Uygur speaks with Jim Maceda from Tripoli about the cease fire in Libya and Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich about his statement regarding an act of war on our part, and whether congress should be called back into session.

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1. Dennis is so far off base on this.

"We...", "we...", "we." It's not the US, it's the UN.

[greiner3]

3. The US-we-ARE the UN;

[alphafemale]

2. Hey Dennis

No one cares what you think.

Go chomp an olive.


A "No Fly Zone" is an act of war. Tell us something we don't know you fucking genius.

[greiner3]

4. At the risk of having this post deleted;

You might be posting on the wrong site, if you take my drift.

[alphafemale]

15. What? People can trash Obama all day here and I can't trash a guy that polls at 2%

Yeah right.

Go sell it down the street.

[Charleston Chew]

9. W T F ?

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

[alphafemale]

17. I did not need Mr Nobody cares to tell me a No Fly Zone is an act of War.

I think we knew that.

Just like most people know there might be an olive pit in a pita.

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

11. Re: Hey Dennis, No one cares what you think....

Please don't speak for me. I do care.

[alphafemale]

16. Okay. Fine you can join hands with the other 2%

I'm happy for ya. I really am.

[Dokkie]

5. Kucinich couldn't be more right in the case

And I noticed that I agree more with candidate Obama than president Obama. This is an act of war and it makes not difference if we were part of a larger coalition and authorized by the UN. Btw, here is candidate Obama's full answer.

Q: In what circumstances would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress?

A: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action. As for the specific question about bombing suspected nuclear sites, I recently introduced S.J.Res.23, which states in part that “any offensive military action taken by the United States against Iran must be explicitly authorized by Congress.”

Source: Boston Globe questionnaire on Executive Power Dec 20, 2007

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6. It's not an act of war, and it's not unilateral.

These points make all the difference. You need to review the UN Charter - we are obligated to protect the civilians of Libya by the Constitution itself. In adopting the U.N. Charter, Congress has established the Charter as the Supreme Law of the land (Fugi v. State of California, 1950-52).

[zulchzulu]

7. I understand Kucinich's sentiments, but he's fairly clueless on what is happening

Many in the Arab leadership community wanted something done and the mission is hopefully a UN operation. I'm boiling down what could be a BOOK on what is happening there. Granted, it's going to end oddly. But to just stand back and ignore the possible genocidal disaster is foolish and xenophobic.

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10. +1

[suzanner]

13. I'm not so sure...

Definitely not a chess player, Obama has missed a multitude of clues so far and been - for lack of a better word- suckered into too many positions or lack of. No one is informed adequately. Frontal assault is not smart; the usual is sanctioning I thought, or some covert ops. We should have known this was coming if any one competent were working for us... guess they've all gone. Obama has lost his leadership, it would appear, if he ever had it. Kucinich is just iterating "it's the money, stupid". We will fall hard if we continue to bleed money everywhere except to here, to ordinary citizens.

[Charleston Chew]

8. "humanitarian" bombing of Libya

I don't get it.

Did Libya attack us?

Did Congress declare war on Libya as the Constitution demands?

Whatever the answers are to those questions, if you're a US citizen, you're paying for it.

[emilyg]

12. .....

[Plucketeer]

20. When we bomb other humans, it's WAR - not Peace Actions.

I'm STILL in disbelief about our going after Quadaffi now. Even MORE incredible is the stated goal of keeping him confined to a NO-FLY zone! We're gonna commit how much military hardware to keeping an angry wasp under a jar??? Not eliminate him - just keep him bottled up! WTF??? (and I'm not inferring "Win The Future" either!)

Last time I checked, Tomahawk cruise missles were about a million a pop. We launched over a hundred today - and that's not even taking into consideration the men and equipment needed to get those missles on station and launched.

This counrty's governing mechanism is totally corrupted and out of control. TOTALLY!

Wanna see the budget balanced? Send my ass to DC with a box of veto pens. We're THE world's war machine. 9/11 never would've happened if it hadn't been that WE were pulling all the strings on the middle east for decades - simply trying to manipulate the oil supply! Same aims here with Libya now.

Anyone who believes that Dennis is full of shit, then you had to be cheering as Bush ASSembled his phony "coalition" to oust Saddam. This administration is Bush Lite. RIGHT down the line.

[JJW]

14. If Bush had launched a war without

congressional approval, all here would be demanding he be impeached. Sorry but, I do think Obama should now be impeached for this and also for war crimes. You can not move forward until justice is administered and we win back a country based on the rule of law.

[MedfordTim]

19. Uh...Bush DID

...unless you can point to a Declaration of War against Afghanistan and Iraq by Congress?

Good luck with that.

I am not necessarily against impeachment for his actions, but it would make a helluvalot more sense if Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all the other war criminals from that administration were watching the impeachment hearings from a maximum security prison...

[Charleston Chew]

21. laugh out loud

You completely missed the point that JJW was making.

I hope you will tighten up your reading comprehension skills if you are going to be a frequent commenter here at DU.

[Grassy Knoll]

22. Please Read Rule # 3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html
Thank you.

[MedfordTim]

18. If you support the bombing, please explain...

(I know, the obvious answer is "oil")

Why not North Korea? Myanmar? Saudi Arabia for their incursion into Bahrain? Sudan? Somalia? Israel??

WTF is it about Khadaffi Duck that gets politician's panties in such a twist?

Oh...and OF COURSE bombing is an act of war. Stupid to think otherwise.

[zulchzulu]

23. After review, Kucinich is clearly clueless that the Libyan confrontation is a UN/AL action

He wants to lazily (and xenophobically) paint the Libyan no-fly zone confrontation as a US war.

This is bullshit and Kucinich knows it or SHOULD.

The Arab League, the UN and even Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are for an enforced no-fly zone in Libya. Kucinich makes no mention of that and ignore the implications of such a response. He furthermore proves he is a blowhole by failing to mention that France and the United Kingdom are the two main fronts in a conflict that is not giving a "Western" presence.

The US Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 8 allows Obama to have the authority to set up the No-Fly Zone with the UN and Arab League. Of course, any escalation would demand the Congress to do further actions.