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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:47 PM
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Ed Shultz: Obama, Get Your Ass Out Here!
 
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Ed Shultz does a great job explaining why Obama should get up off his ass and support the workers of this country. As he promised during his presidential campaign.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:50 PM
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1. Ed is a blowhard. n/t
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:51 PM
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2. Normally, but I agree with him here.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:37 PM
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36. Oh But but but ..... Campaign Promises don't count ...
These DNC apologist are getting disgusting

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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:19 AM
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59. Normally the pres should stay out of State's affairs but this is pretty big National deal
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:21 AM
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60. "What they really fear is that we seek to take away their power"..time to pick a side
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:22 AM
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61. and unions have always been in the people's intrests, not so the greedy corporatists
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:26 AM
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62. "They are united in their hatred of me...and I welcome their hatred..."FDR
Face it Obama...you must learn to make decisions without regard for their affect on Republicans for they have gone off the cliff. They will hate and mock you for what ever you do so let them not affect your thinking.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:08 PM
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16. +1. Does Ed think that Pres. Obama should involve himself in everything?
The moment Obama shows up in WIS, that becomes the media focus, not the workers. Besides, Wisconsonites just elected this nutjob, and gave Democrats the finger, with the backing of a few unions I might add. What's Obama supposed to do? AFAIK no one's been killed. Ed loves the sound of his own voice.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 02:49 AM
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70. The idea of having Obama show up in Wisconsin is to make
his support of the demonstrators the media focus. Obama is supposed to fight for the union members who fought to get him elected.

Obama can kiss the nomination goodbye in 2012 if he doesn't come through for these public employees now. There is no way I will ever vote for him, much less work for him if he can't get himself over to Wisconsin and asap.

I'm ready to back a challenger someone who is a real Democrat.

Obama has double-crossed rank-and-file Democrats.

Has Obama been the target of psyops?

I can't believe that he hasn't shown his face in Wisconsin. What in the world could be more important right now?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:08 AM
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80. If you think Wisconsin is in a vacuum, then you deserve the results
these actions by the multi-national corporations are engaged in across the states of this union.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:44 PM
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42. no he's not.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 06:19 AM
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74. He speaks the truth boldly - someone has to. nt
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:51 PM
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3. And Obama will be playing right into Walker's hands.
It will become Walker versus Obama, and if Walker wins then his presidential hopes will be helped.

No, BAD advice.

Thom Hartmann is SMART.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:00 PM
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10. Walker and right wing are criminals --- if we FEAR them at the level you are advocating ....
we would never overcome them!!

Either you can play political games and stay absolutely safe and continue to be

moved to the right -- and enable right wing victories -- or you can finally decide

to show courage and stand up against them!

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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:30 PM
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31. Wouldn't it be wonderful.......
....if Obama became a great one term president because he finally supported the middle class. On the other hand,wouldn't it be more wonderful if he did what Ed suggests and wins by overwheming margins in 2012 thanks to middle class workers. C'mon, Obama, you're a three dimensional chess player. Figure it out instead of sitting on your ass.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:40 PM
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39. It could be wonderful ... had Obama supported MEDICARE FOR ALL.. .
he'd be a winner in 2012!!

:)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:02 PM
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11. Maybe O is waiting for Walker to lose his job so he can avoid all that Walker awesomeness
:rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:41 PM
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40. ......
funny --
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:52 PM
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4. He interviewed the Wisconsin 14 tonight who said they'd welcome Obama to visit any city in Wisconsin
Naysayers can go argue with them if they dare.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:52 PM
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5. My husband thought he did a damn good job on this segment.
We both agreed that Obama's great at giving moving speeches; he just doesn't walk the walk.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:56 PM
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6. I'm actually usually not a big fan of Ed, but he truly did do an awesome job tonight
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 10:57 PM by no limit
Obama has nothing to lose by coming out to Madison and making it clear he stands with the workers.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:04 PM
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13. The video of Obama telling campaign supporters that he'd stand with labor unions
on the picket lines fighting for their rights, compared to what he hasn't done for union workers, doesn't look very impressive.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:25 PM
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26. How today he can be so disconnected from the person I voted for is beyond me.
I couldn't believe that statement from 2007 when I saw it here earlier today.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:36 AM
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66. Especially with Obama/Duncan attacking public education ... teachers, unions -- !!! Wow!
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 12:37 AM by defendandprotect
I didn't expect an FDR, but, I certainly didn't either expect anything like what

Obama has been delivering!!

:blush:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:56 PM
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7. But just the other day, Ed Shultz was saying that Outsiders coming into WI
wouldn't help the cause. Guess he's decided that it's now OK if this protest gets sidetracked as an Obama political ploy (which is what most of the media will shout)!

Sometimes, people on the TV are real passionate, but totally politically stupid.
Currently, 61% of Americans don't support anti-union moves....and somehow, Mr. Ed thinks that Obama can raise that percentage. Whatta fool he is!

With the news media just dying to make this, like everything else, all about Obama, guess Ed wants to play that too....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:58 PM
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9. Obama is an "outsider" on labor issues? hmmm....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:03 PM
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12. He no longer represents the grassroots......
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 11:03 PM by FrenchieCat
61% and growing. Support for Walker is dimming.
Other GOP governors are backing down.

Why fuck that up?
Just so Obama can give a speech,
so folks can say......it's just a pretty speech?

Gawd!




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:07 PM
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15. Iow, fear based reasoning ... think the nation would like to hear where Obama stands on this ...
like ... showing support for labor -- and the right to unionize!!

The GOP has no problem in letting us know how they feel about it all the time -- 24/7.

The Democrats should do the same!!

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:11 PM
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19. He already stated where he stood on it, and I'm sure he'll say more.
What Ed wants is what most reactionaries want;
Barack Obama in WI beating his chest. That's all
they understand, even if it won't do nothing good.

What's weird is that one minute we hate the GOP and all they stand for,
including marching in lockstep and voting for their candidate even
if he/she ain't perfect....
But when convenient, we are counseled to be the same as the GOP.
Make up your mind!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:17 PM
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21. No one is suggesting we should be like the GOP ... rather that Dems should behave
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 11:18 PM by defendandprotect
like Democrats and speak out --

or is support for one's party and labor now considered a GOP-thing?

Obama needs to get on the record more with labor --

We need to see him do it - and I agree with Ed -- Obama should be in Wisconsin

supporting labor -- unless he is afraid of GOP?

That many here fear GOP is evident -- but that our president should FEAR facing

off with them would be humiliating, imo!!

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. I think OFA is there.......
I think some folks want Obama to fail so badly,
they'll come up with anything.

This protest is a success thus far....
but of course, like all sitcom watchers,
it needs to be wrapped up in 30 minutes
with a pretty bow on top.....
right about the time that our fearless leader
flies in like superman and makes everyone's booboo better.

:wtf:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:29 PM
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30. You think if Obama faced up to the GOP ... he'd "fail" ... ???
Wow -- quite a lack of confidence in Obama there!!

:eyes:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. I think Obama has accomplished much,
and obviously you don't.

You think Obama needs to go George Bush on the Republicans,
and I don't.

We have a difference of opinion on approach.
C'est la vie!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:33 PM
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35. Obama did fail on MEDICARE FOR ALL... however, I think Obama/Dems should stand up for labor -- !!
That's the difference between us --

And FEAR-based thinking is the other difference!


:blush:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:41 PM
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41. Broken record. Obama didn't campaign for President on Medicare for All.
Even if you wanted to believe that.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:54 PM
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49. Broken record. Evidently many think Obama campaigned on standing up
for universal health care --

Some here think the video in the OP is saying that --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=557543&mesg_id=557575

At any rate, time for Obama to stand up and be counted and stop looking like

he's hiding from the GOP and as fearful as so many here at DU re the GOP!

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #49
55. You can believe what you want.......
I'm sure you wanted him to scream about Egypt too, right?


defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-03-11 12:28 PM
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75. Obama and US already share the guilt for this ... Obama reaction is shameful...!!
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 12:29 PM by defendandprotect
For more than a week the world has been calling on Mubarak to "LEAVE" --

and Obama couldn't even move himself to repeat that world --

Robert Fisk on DemocracyNow! today called the Obama administration "gutless"

and "cowardly" re Egypt's fight for democracy --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=338683&mesg_id=340721

and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=338683&mesg_id=343118

and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=338683&mesg_id=343300




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. Oh, thank you ... !! :rofl:
Only YOU are suggesting anyone wants Obama to "scream" about anything!

But of course, I've pushed for Obama to stand up against Gaddafi! And Mubarak!

What would be so difficult about that?

Granted you object to my opinion and Robert Fisk's -- and obviously we object to yours!

Either you support democracy or you support dictators -- can't be both!




PS: And, btw, thanks for following my posts! Didn't know you were a fan!!

:rofl:








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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #35
72. Obama has also failed on changing the Patriot Act, on punishing torturers
on protecting public schools, and on the tax cuts for the rich just to name a few.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #33
68. Your approach is to be the opinion police.
If the President had flown in there before Ed had urged him to, you would've claimed that was your approach all along, as well, and that everyone else doesn't give him enough credit. You merely function as a contrarian who is never in error and who demands total agreement with a particular figure whom you've chosen to incessantly defend, as your sole topic of interest. It was General Clark before, and now President Obama.
Would all of reality collapse in on itself if just once you openly ever so slightly disagreed with whomever is your current totem champion in politics?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #27
73. What makes you think OFA is there? Do you work for them?




I haven't heard that OFA is in Wisconsin, not at all. They don't seem to have made much of an impression there.

















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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:50 PM
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44. he said that both sides have to give up stuff. They don't give up jack
he gave them a tax cut for zillionaires which means on this and other economic issues especially concerning non zillionaires he has no moral authority. He is talking cutting programs for the poor. why would he care about unions getting axed? somehow they made a political calculation that the dems and left have to vote for him in 2012 if he runs. "they have no where to go" is what they have calculated. didn't learn a damned thing in the 2010 election.

He could send Biden. he could do more than mealy mouth a few words and hope no one finds his 'comfortable shoes' video. He is weak and cowardly. A state, an entire state is in extremis and he only gives lip service. Too bad. He could have been a contender.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:55 PM
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51. Looks to me like Obama is always running up the white flag .... time we saw an Obama standing up ...
against the right wing!!


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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:03 AM
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71. Obama needs to go to Wisconsin because he is our president.
It is time for our president to make it really clear where he stands on labor rights, public schools and budget priorities. These are not just the issues affecting one state. These are national issues. Even here in California, these same issues are in the forefront.

Obama is once again trying to straddle the fence while the Republicans draw lines in the sand and take territory.

Obama is acting like a coward. Not smart. Wisconsins and working people across the nation will love him forever if only Obama shows up and supports them as he promised he would.

There is nothing in the world more important for the nation and for Obama today than to be standing in solidarity with the demonstrators in Wisconsin. The future of our country -- whether we will become a nation completely dominated by rich oligarchs and the military or whether we will continue to enjoy at least some democratic rights is being decided in Wisconsin right now.

Obama needs to let the country know what side he is on.

The Republicans in Wisconsin have given away their strategy. For them, agreeing to negotiate is just a ruse, a manipulative technique. They do not negotiate in good faith.

Perhaps Obama is embarrassed to go to Wisconsin because then he would have to answer questions about why he continues to try to negotiate with Republicans after Walker has admitted that for Republicans, negotiations and compromise are just a trick. Maybe that is why Obama is afraid to go to Wisconsin.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:58 PM
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8. Ed is right -- and should have called Obama out on MEDICARE FOR ALL -- !!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. Maybe he should be watching Ed so that he can be reminded of that campaign promise
to the labor unions.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Did Obama promise that ... ?
I didn't keep track of what Obama was saying --

I wasn't as impressed with his speechs as others here --

HOWEVER, I voted for him because DU'ers here felt confident in him.

From time to time, people do post his past comments -- guess there was a

speech to labor on health care -- but I'm not familiar with it --


:)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. A clip of Obama saying that to a group of campaign supporters is included in the
OP's video.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:28 PM
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29. Apologies -- I didn't notice that --
Heard this discusson on Ed today and just jumped in --

but I have no problem with Obama saying one thing and doing another --

In fact, Pelosi confirmed that for us when she told us ...

"Obama was for a lot of things when he was campaigning ... which he is no longer for!"



:(
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:04 PM
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14. Yeah, cuz
ya know the prez is just lollygagging in the White House, playing tiddly winks and eatin' that arugula stuff.

-
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:08 PM
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17. Ed IS a blowhard...
And Obama has no reason to go to WI and give the RIGHT a reason to attack him...
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:15 PM
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20. This isn't a political game; it has to do with preserving workers' rights of their livelihoods.
One of the points Ed made was that Obama seems more concerned with political perception than doing the right thing. Standing up in the Republicans' face would help Obama more than anything right now. Over 60% of people nationwide are against Walker's bill.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Obama has every reason to begin to STAND UP against homelessness, unemployment,
right wing attacks on labor and unions --

and the American public need to hear him and see him do it --

Not doing so is also a response --

If we don't have a president who can stand up to the right fearlessly ...

then what do we have?

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:38 PM
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37. They attack him anyway. For anything.
Wouldn't it be nice if it were something we could be proud of?
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:54 PM
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48. Obama should avoid being attacked by the RIGHT,
while a lot of us Americans are constantly under attack by the RIGHT.:eyes: What the fuck did we vote for him for? HE needs to be protected from attacks by the RIGHT?:puke: Ed is right on the money.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:56 PM
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52. Exactly ... !! What did we do... vote for a president who has to be protected from the GOP? :rofl:
:puke:


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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:11 PM
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85. I was given the impression he wanted this job. nt
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:18 PM
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22. I am happy to say I was wrong last week.
I was angry and I was afraid, and I saw the agreement by the Wisconsin teacher to go back to their classrooms as a sign of capitulation. They and their supporters -- students, parents, firefighters, union members and union supporters and probably even a few outside agitators :evilgrin: have kept this uprising alive and flourishing and spreading.

But Ed Schulz hit the nail on the head: This is a fight for the very survival of the middle class. We know that if the Kochs and their ilk have their way, coal miners will be back to making $5 and hour with no benefits. Teachers who care will be replaced by classroom monitors who don't. Workplace safety will be a thing of the past; we'll have more Triangle Shirtwast Factory tragedies, or at least we would if there were still any industries in America. Maybe slave wages will bring manufacturing back to the U.S., but is that the way we want it?

The thing is, Obama doesn't have to make this a partisan issue. We all know he's the world's leading advocate for bipartisanship. So all he has to do is get out there and tell the benighted fools who are supporting Wanker and the other pukes that unions are on THEIR side. It's not, as so many here on DU have written today, about the fact that some people are jealous and don't want anyone else to have what they themselves don't have. Obama can grab the bully pulpit and tell the country that EVERYONE deserves a living wage. EVERYONE deserves pensions and benefits. EVERYONE deserves paid vacation and sick days and fair grievance procedures and a safe workplace and fair treatment by employers.

Enough of this shit with "right to work." It's not a right to work, it's a right to be screwed and cheated and enslaved. If Obama thinks he's got to be above the fray, untouched by mortal conflict, then for crying out loud, turn Biden loose. I know Biden's no more perfect than Obama, but maybe he'd show a little passion - and a little compassion.

Someone here on DU complained this evening about Ed Schulz's "junkyard dog" style. That style wasn't evident in this clip, and maybe Ed was trying to tone down his own rhetoric. But if he's capable of exhorting Rush Limbaugh to wrap his fat ass in the flag, then Ed also ought to have the strenght of his convictions to tell Obama to get his skinny ass out of Washington and into Madison. Obama is the president of the PEOPLE, not of Washington DC.

As Molly Ivins told us, you gotta dance with them what brung you. We brung you to the White House, Mr. Obama, with our votes. Now it's time for you to dance with us. We'll let you wear comfortable dancin' shoes.



Tansy Gold
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. Yep....it's all about Obama
Always and forever.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:32 PM
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34. Yep...As the "leader of the free world" Obama never has any influance about anything on this planet
we elected him to sit on his ass and let everyone else fight it out. Any suggestion that he should actually ever do anything useful is absolutely insane!
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Thank you for this reply, I completely agree with you.
If Obama doesn't start appreciating the people that elected him to the white house he might not be holding on to the white house for much longer. This is an all out assult on the very people that supported him not only in the general election but also in the primaries. It's time for Obama to get up off his ass, just as Shultz said. Time is running out.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. Sounds like a threat.
I'm sure Obama hears your threats and those of many others on all sides.

So I suggest that you do what you've got to do,
and if you are correct, like you say, time will eventually run all the way out for Obama.
The GOP wants just that......time to run out on Obama, and on you, and me and
everyone else.

Good luck with how much you truly "care" on this. You and Shultz....
and I'm sure the GOP thanks you for giving them a hand up, by attaching Obama
and diverting what should be fury against the Republicans.

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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. You want to blame me for the fact this president pissed all over everything he said he believed in?
I wasn't the one that campaigned against a mandate. Nor was I the one that said I would picket with workers in this country then decided to sit on my ass when those workers were attacked.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:55 PM
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50. Just ignore it. There wasn't any "threat" in your post at all.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:06 AM
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57. You are incorrect. Threatening that if Obama doesn't start appreciating the people
who elected him to the White House, he might not be holding on to the White House for much longer
is exactly a threat. Especially since he giving support to the Public Union workers....even if some thinks unless he rushes in kicks some chairs, means he's lazy and needs to get off his ass.
:eyes:

no limit (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-24-11 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Thank you for this reply, I completely agree with you.
If Obama doesn't start appreciating the people that elected him to the white house he might not be holding on to the white house for much longer. This is an all out assult on the very people that supported him not only in the general election but also in the primaries. It's time for Obama to get up off his ass, just as Shultz said. Time is running out.

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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #57
63. You seem to not undetstand the difference between a threat and an observation.
I was making an observation, you took it as a threat. You know that saying about shooting the messenger, right?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #57
65. That's not a "threat" -- that's simply stating political reality ... just as if we said ...
had Obama passed MEDICARE FOR ALL the Dem Party would be set for the

next 40 years!!

It's just the opposite -- and looks like Obama is intent on keeping it that way!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #45
54. +1000% -- keep on tellin' it -- !!!
:)

imo, that post was an invitation to "shut up" -- !!

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. WTF?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #32
53. Time is running out -- 2012 is almost upon us ... either Obama will stand up against the GOP ...
or we'll have to find someone who will --

Let's draft Sen. Bernie Sanders -- he's not FEARFUL of the GOP!

Sanders can run as a Dem -- and how about someone like Tom Hayden who is

anti-war to replace Biden who has been calling for a year now for the Israelis

to attack Iran!! Biden says "Israel would be justified to attack Iran" -- !!!

:eyes:

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #22
43. I'd recommend your post if I could.
Why don't you post it as an OP?
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:51 PM
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46. +1
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #43
56. +1 -- "right to work for LESS" ---
:)
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:34 AM
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64. Ed tells it like it is. I'm with him. If you think Obama is on
the side of the workers and collective bargaining, you have been skillfully duped.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 06:20 AM
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75. Many here don't want to accept that - but you're right. This prez is...
...as corporate as those on the other side, just aligns himself with different sectors.
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markmyword Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:39 AM
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67. Waiting
I just can't figure Obama out. He had the people behind him
when he was elected, all he had to do was UNDO all the laws,
signing statements, and appointments that Bush/Cheney did.

He should have STARTED PROSECUTING Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld,
Gonzales, Rice, Bybee, Yoo, Karl Rove,and ALL the other
Republicans in the administration who were WAR CRIMINALS.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW and by NOT investigating these
criminals, Obama has blown off our Constitution and all the
laws of our land.

A Constitutional lawyer has done this to our constitution is
just unbelievable.

Sometimes I think that Obama is waiting for the people to rise
up and DEMAND he do something. Maybe this is his way of being
non confrontational(the guy doesn't like to fight, in case you
haven't noticed).
He can then tell the Republicans it's NOT ME, it's the PEOPLE
who made me do it.

I don't want to see or hear anymore speeches from him. He
gives a great speech, which is worth nothing.
He's a do nothing president, and that's worse than a president
who does something and isn't successful, at least he TRIED.

Obama ISN'T for the people. I got the impression after two
years of campaigning, he collapsed and is cruising through
these four years in office. 

I don't think he really wants a second term.

Whoever his advisors are, they're SO cautious,trying to do the
right thing, that the administration can't function .

So if Obama goes to Madison NO SPEECHES, just make it a photo
op of support for the union workers.
Go around shaking hands and show your support period.
BUT SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE UNIONS.
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motorcityliberal Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:49 AM
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69. Symbols and bullshit
It seems there is nothing this president can do that would please the firebaggers and the self-righteous ones, Ed screamed about how President Obama isn't saying anything but the moment he does says something the goal post get pushed to he has to show up now.If Ed wants symbols buy an Captain American t-shirt off the Marvel Comics website. If President Obama shows up Scott Walker, the Koch brothers and their attempt to kill off the middle class in Wisconsin won't be the story anymore and given the current state of the corporate media anything that moves the story away from how two wealthy brothers are calling the shots in a major political party would be a welcomed distraction. And If you're union worker in Wisconsin and you're not fired now there's nothing that's going to get you fired up.

Republicans like distractions when they can't defend a position so why give them a big distraction. They know as each day passes their stance gets weaker and the movement gets bigger why give them a tool to take away attention from that?
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #69
77. Your concern is noted
Why, you're so liberal, you even put it in your name.

:rofl:

Enjoy your stay.
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motorcityliberal Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #77
84. Being Liberal
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 02:14 PM by motorcityliberal
I guess I should be happy that I don't met the fire-bag or the self righteous ones definition of liberal and again I have to highlight the reason guys like Scott Walker, Rick Scott, Chris Christie and Rick Snyder are in power today because you folks decided to be selfish and stayed home on election night. And what Ed is advocating go against what he claims to be all about, once the President shows up the unions, the appearance of having two billionaire brothers calling the shots in a American state and how they want to kill off the middle class will be pushed back to the back burner. But hey symbolism matters to the fire bag and self righteous crowd right?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 06:21 AM
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76. LOVE YOU Big Eddie - keep telling it like it is! k&r
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greatbaldeagle Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 08:23 AM
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78. The President won't be coming to Madison
He's obviously made a calculation that going there would be the wrong move. I hope he's right.
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:46 AM
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79. Obama is a coward
He won't stand up for workers because he doesn't give a damn about them. They won't be important again until he has to run for re-election.

Remember his quote about buying new shoes to march with labor for collective bargaining rights? Total bullshit. He's a liar.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:11 PM
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82. Obama is not a coward..this is wrong.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:02 PM
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81. Ed is wrong about Obama coming to Wisconson ...please see
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 12:09 PM by Stuart G
this thread running in another forum...thanks

that discussion is in
General Discussion Presidency:

Why Obama is not In Wisconsin.,,,Thom Hartmann explained..



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=618523&mesg_id=618523


I used to listen to Ed a whole lot.
Now, only occasionally.. Why?
Often he talks without thinking...
rarely apologizes for his talk..

I recall that he called a celebrity a "whore" after she died..(Anna Nicole Smith)
There was much talk about how this word was out of line at his message board..
Many women were offended..
.He never really dealt with those who were offended or the reasons why
that word whore...might be out of line..

Again, he has not thought this issue through either
..read the comments in the other thread..
Then, you will see another point of view, one that Ed will not discuss.
Why? Because after some thought..You know that Ed is wrong..
Obama will be there, with other National Democartic Leaders...when the time is right..
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:40 PM
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83. I'll report my reply to that thread here for you:
People act as if this isn't already the way it is being painted.

This isn't going to be a national story for much longer. Obama has a very small time window to keep this on the front page. He is the president of the united states, it is his right to give a speech to some of his greatest supporters.

What pisses me off the most is how our side is so fucking afraid of what the right wing might say. Who gives a shit what they say? They spew bullshit day in and day out, what does that have to do with anything?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #83
87. Obama will, once again,
squander his/our advantage. This appears to be a trend.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 08:23 AM
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86. I agree with Ed 100%!
I do not believe Obama is with us. I don't believe he is with us at all.

Remember back to the inauguration. It was one of the single greatest political phenomenons ever witnessed in this nation. Talk about a mandate! Obama had a HUGE mandate. But since then what has happened? He acts like the opinion of Fox News is more important than the people that worked their butts off to get him elected. I could not be any more disappointed in Obama unless he came out and officially changed parties.

Obama wouldn't DARE openly support these unions in Wisconsin and Ohio.

That is just my opinion. If you don't happen to agree with it, that is fine with me.
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AmericanSolidarity Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 01:52 PM
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88. Ed is on our side. Obama isn't.

What could be plainer?



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