The Second 1980 Presidential Debate, October 28, 1980

[Charleston Chew]

Run time: 94:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvyZbSocg44   Posted on YouTube: January 02, 2011 By YouTube Member: thefilmarchive Views on YouTube: 43   Posted on DU: January 02, 2011 By DU Member: Charleston Chew Views on DU: 1268

 
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/debatingourdestiny/80debates/cart4.html


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[Rhiannon12866]

1. K&R! Well, I know who I'm voting for!

Oh, wait... I already did. :( I often wonder how different this country - this world - would be today if Carter had served a second term. He had a lot more to accomplish and he had my vote. ;( :patriot:

[freshwest]

2. Our corporate bosses before the elections told us that we 'were going to be put in our places.'

And we hadn't seen anything yet. Beginning of the end of unions and the middle class as well as worker's rights, equal opportunity and environmental laws. May Raygun rot in hell.

[Rhiannon12866]

3. I don't remember crying... I just remember being shocked.

It never dawned on me that he could lose, he was the president, after all, and I thought he was wonderful. Of course, that's long before I knew anything about third parties (John Anderson :grr:), backroom deals or dirty tricks. Jimmy Carter got my first vote. I always voted, but I never felt about any other candidate how I did about Carter. When Bill Clinton ran in '92, I actually thought twice about voting for him because, until Clinton, I'd never voted for a presidential candidate who won. I was afraid I'd jinx him... :crazy: :(

[NYMdaveNYI]

5. Felt the same way in '08.

I voted for Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004, and seriously considered McCain in 2008 in order to avoid jinxing Obama.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. I can certainly understand.

But the big difference is that in both 2000 and 2004, you did vote for the candidate that actually won. :(

http://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-rnheres-the-facts/

[freshwest]

8. Thanks for reminding me!

I had a concussion during the Bush reign of terror and the doctor asked me a series of 'orientation to time and place' questions. Finally he asked me the name of the President.

I glared at him and said in an 'I dare you to argue with me' tone of voice "Al Gore!" He decided I wasn't that far gone despite the reality of who was in the White House.

:hi:

[Rhiannon12866]

13. LOL! Good answer!

Despite your concussion, you were probably more mentally fit than most of the country... :D :hi:

[rampart]

4. there ya go again

i have watched this debate, in 1980 and recently, carter has won every time.

i just don't get the cult of reagan, and never will.

[Enthusiast]

15. That 'cult of Reagan'

has been nurtured by massive PR resources. And it never ends. The GOPers want his bust on Mount Rushmore and his head on the dime. They never stop praising him while he doesn't deserve a word of it. But he is the GOP MVP. He is all they have. They can no longer claim Lincoln because their party has morphed into bigots and racists.

[bhikkhu]

6. well that was painful to watch

Thanks for posting that bit of history - I don't recall whether I watched it back in the day, though I was a big Carter fan. Now, watching Reagan lie through his teeth and just plain get it wrong in debate, yet do it so presidentially and convincingly that people still look at him as a kind of repug Messiah, and knowing how badly things turned out and how miserably wrong his promises turned out to be...ack, just painful...

[Charleston Chew]

9. x 2 Recommend ?

Laugh Out Loud!

[LandR]

10. Barbara Walters...

...wasn't too shabby, but I digress!

[Tony_FLADEM]

11. The Reagan Campaign got ahold of Carter's debate briefing book and used to to rehearse

That was the turning point in that election.

[avaistheone1]

12. Somehow Reagan dirty tricks don't suprise me at all.

However does anyone have a link to the Reagan campaign stealing the Carter briefing book?

That is something I do not recall.

[Rhiannon12866]

14. I found this article on it...

This says it was Paul Corbin, who had been an aide for RFK. Apparently, there's a book coming out... :shrug: :hi:

Solved: who leaked the Carter debate briefing books?
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/solved-who-leaked-carter-debate-briefing-books

[Tripod]

16. K &R n/t