Mike Malloy - Libertarians Are Thumbsucking Crybabies

[hschulein]

Run time: 08:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWn5ZeIqc7E   Posted on YouTube: December 30, 2010 By YouTube Member: hschulein Views on YouTube: 1   Posted on DU: December 30, 2010 By DU Member: hschulein Views on DU: 1175

 
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[The Backlash Cometh]

1. I think we're finally honing in on an extreme ideology which is driving this country

closer to anarchy

[stockholmer]

2. Sarah Palin, Boortz, et al are about as 'libertarian' in reality as John Maynard Keynes

true libertarians are completely anti-war, anti-empire, they despise Palin and her ilk

this tactic of simply lumping in neo-con war mongers into the libertarian camp is very problematic, as is the number of right-wing statists who self-describe as libertarian

I highly doubt this talk show host has ever read a single serious treatise from a foundational libertarian philosopher. To be honest, even a first-year student here at Stockholms Universitet Political Science Department would systematically refute the entire premiss of his demagogic argument, as it contains numerous logical fallacies.


read Murray Rothbard , Lew Rockwell, Lysander Spooner, Peter Vallentyne http://philpapers.org/s/Peter%20Vallentyne (left libertarian), Michael Otsuka http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctymio (left libertarian), even much of Noam Chomsky (he has called his libertarian socialism an anarchist philosophy)


http://antiwar.com/

http://mises.org/literature.aspx?action=author&Id=299 (works by Murray Rothbard)

http://libertarianpapers.org/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/


"A government that can at pleasure accuse, shoot, and hang men, as traitors, for the one general offence of refusing to surrender themselves and their property unreservedly to its arbitrary will, can practice any and all special and particular oppressions it pleases. The result -- and a natural one -- has been that we have had governments, State and national, devoted to nearly every grade and species of crime that governments have ever practised upon their victims; and these crimes have culminated in a war that has cost a million of lives; a war carried on, upon one side, for chattel slavery, and on the other for political slavery; upon neither for liberty, justice, or truth. And these crimes have been committed, and this war waged, by men, and the descendants of men, who, less than a hundred years ago, said that all men were equal, and could owe neither service to individuals, nor allegiance to governments, except with their own consent."

Lysander Spooner

[worldbfree]

3. Maybe in Stockholm Libertarians are wonderful

people that are compassionate and willing to help those in need. But In The U.S.A. they are greedy self- righteous pricks.Mike Malloy is very accurate in his description in my opinion . The "Libertarians" that I have known here are NOT anti-war and ARE pro-empire. Maybe I have just lumped the good libertarians in with the bad , but I just haven't met any good ones yet. Or Maybe we should reclassify them as " American Libertarians".

[stockholmer]

6. look at the links in my post for some seriously anti-empire thinkers

especially http://antiwar.com

I myself am not a libertarian, but do have some sympathy with libertarian socialism, especially Cornelius Castoriadis
http://www.agorainternational.org/ , Antonio Negri http://www.generation-online.org/t/translations.htm , Murray Bookchin http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bookchin/bio1.html and Arran Gare http://en.scientificcommons.org/arran_gare

There are many, many (American ones included), who if you read their main points, would be antithetical to what someone like Sarah Palin stands for. The USA paradigm is to lump all non-mainstream thinkers together with some easily dismissed straw men in order to avoid a nuanced debate. A baby is thus thrown out with the bathwater. Alas, this is human nature, even here.



Lysander Spooner http://www.lysanderspooner.org/

Entrepreneur, scholar, radical abolitionist, principled believer in natural law and liberty -- Lysander Spooner is one of the most provocative, eclectic and prolific American legal theorists of the 19th century. His writing continues to influence those today interested in consent, natural law, individual rights, and constitutional order in political theory and practice.


Peter Vallentyne http://philpapers.org/s/Peter%20Vallentyne (left libertarian) and Michael Otsuka http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctymio (left libertarian)

also are extremely different from what you would label greedy, self-righteous pricks

[HankyDubs]

4. Where would "libertarians" be without demagoguery?

They'd be lost without it.

First of all, right wing libertarians are not libertarians at all, which Chomsky explains quite well here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPUvQZ3rcQ

These aren't libertarians, they are proto-fascists. Right wing "libertarians" rail endlessly against "statists" which is purest demagoguery, especially since libertarians are FULLY supported by the corporate capitalist state. Fundamentally there is a misunderstanding here, namely that the government is the state. This isn't even remotely true. A government is merely a tool that can be used by the people or by the state to achieve various ends. The state is concentrated wealth and power, and this concentrated wealth and power fully supports right wing libertarianism. Take the Cato Institute, which is funded entirely by wealthy individuals and corporate interests.

As for Rockwell and Rothbard, these men are primarily interested in "libertarianism" because they are white supremacists. Rothbard suppported David Duke's presidential run. http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html Rockwell, like many other southern whites, resents federal power because federal power was used to end segregation.

[HankyDubs]

5. And another thing

If you want to see these libertarians huff and puff, ask them for EVIDENCE that their utopian ideology has ever worked anywhere in all of human history.

The true believers will tell you that empirical evidence for their philosophy is unnecessary, as it is all based on axioms which are accepted as fact without any actual evidence. The real world simply doesn't apply to them, only their faith in the teachings of men like Von Mises has any relevance.

All the thumbsucking stupidity about "statism" and "communism" ignores entirely the fact that Marx describes communism as "classless and stateless." There is an interesting parallell here. When I have questioned true-believing communists about reality-based flaws in their ideology, they will eventually say that "true communism" has never existed anywhere and that if only it were pursued in its purest form, the result would be a stateless utopia. True believing libertarians exibit this same behavior. Whenever and wherever their "freemarkit" phiosophy is shown to be flawed, the argument is always that the pure ideology was corrupted by "duh guvermint."

[stockholmer]

7. you need my posts in regards to left libertarians and socialist libertarians

I absolutely do not support some of Rothbard's political strategies either, I find them very unfortunate, but I also refuse to have all libertarians broad-brushed into the same Cato-induced ghetto. The mainstream Right AND the mainstream Left both are served by simple smear tactics.

One variant of contemporary left-libertarianism affirms the classical liberal and libertarian idea of self-ownership, while rooting a robust version of economic egalitarianism in this idea. It combines the conventional libertarian idea of self-ownership with unconventional views regarding the ownership of land and natural resources (e.g. those of Henry George), residual claimancy vis-à-vis the firm, or both.

http://praxeology.net/all-left.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

here are some more new left scholars that do not fall into the camp of easy-labeling

Hillel Steiner http://philpapers.org/profile/2771

Philippe Van Parijs http://www.uclouvain.be/en-11688.html

David Ellerman http://philpapers.org/s/David%20Ellerman

cheers