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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 12:17 PM
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Our Power, Our Responsibility
 
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This is powerful. It's made for Ron Paul, who is not a democrat of course, but still, the message is significant and it's very well done.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 12:27 PM
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1. Not too sure what to make of Ron Paul
He's like the DLC of Republicans...sans the complete party swaying power.
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djjimz Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:04 AM
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7. The Democrats answer to Leiberman...
I'm sure the repukes cringe everytime he opens his mouth.
:eyes:
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:24 PM
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2. Start a revolution...
Dennis K & Ron Paul. Two parties, two great men with true American values. Peace to Dennis and Ron, may they be safe as they live in this dangerous world. Kim
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rabidchickens Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:27 PM
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3. He's great for some liberals
Like just anti-establishment ones, but I would hate to have a liberterian in the white house, social justice is important for me, Government can do good to help people, that's the foundation of any party of labor and the people
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:41 PM
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4. powerful video indeed...
and in spite of it I don't trust Ron Paul and would never support him. I think many people are desperate for an alternative to the main democratic candidates and are blinded by his anti-war stance. They, unfortunately, fail to consider his other policies, which are certainly not in the interest of our country. Isn't it against DU policy to showcase candidates from other parties? I seem to remember a big discussion not too long ago concerning Cindy Sheehan. I can only ask why so few support Dennis Kucinich considering that he is all of the above and so much more. For me it is irrelevant. If the Democrats elect Ronald McDonald in the primaries, he has my voice and I'm a Burger King man.
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EnricoFermi Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:40 PM
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6. This nation is in a crisis
If people continue to support down party lines, we are absolutely screwed.

I support candidates who support ending our disastrous foreign policy, resulting in terrorism both home and abroad, and the needless deaths of civilians throughout the world. For this reason, I support both Kucinich and Ron Paul, even though I have repeatedly aligned myself with Democratic candidates. I can see why so many here are against Hillary because they recognize the most important issue today, our confrontational foreign policy and the military industrial complex. Any candidate who funded the war in Iraq should be thrown out with the garbage in my opinion. Anyone who does not understand that this is the most important threat to the existence of our nation, should reexamine their ethical and moral standing.

If there is a policy here that prohibits supporting a candidate simply because he or she isn't a Democrat, I will leave this site. This is absolutely stupid.

It is time we wake up and stop being polarized and hypnotized by the media. That is one of the points made in this video, and I regret people trashing either Kucinich or Paul simply because they are in support of another party or candidate.

It is time that we recognize the emergency at hand, and support any political candidate who will put an end to it. Remember that it is okay to support a Republican even if you are voting for a Democrat. Paul's influence over the rest of the candidates, in grounding their "nuke Mecca" type ideologies is what we need to be rooting for. It is likely that both Kucinich and Paul have no shot at all, but that isn't the most important thing to gain out of their candidacy. We have to get ourselves out of this self-destructive situation. If candidates like Paul and Kucinich gain momentum, their effect on the others will grow.

When political races have more in common with sports rivalries, we have a problem. It isn't one team or another in this game, we are all on the same team.

If nothing else, Paul makes the other Republicans seem like psychopaths. For that alone, you should support him.

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djjimz Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:12 AM
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8. "And I'm a Burger King man..."
So well put, snake in the grass.
There's a few around here who could take a lesson from you on how to express oneself...

I haven't come out for any candidate yet.
I just wish Dennis DID have a better following. He needs more money and I guess he's not getting because of the bigger guys. I really like Dennis, I really do, that's no BS...

Go Dem's
:dem:
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:19 PM
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5. Dangerous
Good video but I don't trust him either.
I won't be surprised if he gets the nomination and tricks alot of Independents into voting for him. I'd rather see Giuliani in the White House (cringe).
I believe Ron Paul would be the death of America.
read: theocracywatch.org ,should be interesting to everyone here.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:34 AM
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11. I'm familiar with theocracywatch.org
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 04:42 AM by Emit
But what have they posted about Ron Paul? I did a quick search on their site of his name and came up with nothing. Can you post what you are referring to? Thanks in advance. And welcome to DU. :hi:

On edit, I did find this, written by Paul, elsewhere. Sounds like he fits right in with the Dominionists that theocracywatch follows:

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:17 PM
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13. Thanks Emit
I'm still feeling my way around here.

Sorry to be vague, I realize Paul's not named on that site but his ideology fits right in as you say.

"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance."-Paul

The reason I recommended theocracywatch.org is that like me I'm sure many Democrats just don't think about the neo-cons, and don't realize what a snake in the grass we're dealing with. Their party has been thoroughly hijacked by Theocrats (Dominionists), and the heart of the beast is TexasGOP.
Bush isn't making things up as he goes, he's got a play book.( theocracywatch.org/texas_gop.htm )

Excerpts from Texas Republican Party Platform:

p.19: "Abolish the Bureau of Tobacco and Firearms, the position of Surgeon General, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Education, Commerce and Labor. We also call for the de-funding or abolition of the National Endowment for the Arts, and Public Broadcasting System."

p.26: "The Party believes it is in the best interest of the citizens of the United States that we immediately rescind our membership, as well as financial and military contributions to, the United Nations... The Party urges Congress to evict the United Nations from U.S. soil."

I see Ron Paul is for alot of this, the rest could be wrapped in a "stealth campaign".
Their goal is to collapse the government into the arms of the church, via tax cuts and insane spending, leaving only church, military and police. Holy wars and witch hunts all around!

This is my concern, thanks for asking.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:15 PM
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14. Good article
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:19 PM by frog92969
There is a good article at http://www.democrats.com/node/14167 by David Swanson about him.

edit: duh, it's on the front of DU as well. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/195
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:58 AM
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9. You either agree or disagree with what he has to say on an issue.
I was always happy to see him question Greenspan, that was my introduction to him. His article neoconned exposed the various people and organizations that helped shape our policy and the party in power. And a more recent article calling for civil disobidience to take back our country and restore our rights was excellent as well.

We should take what we like and disregard what we do not.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:56 AM
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10. ...Ron Paul again
It's not that simple. To be sure, our current engagement in the Middle East is a fiasco (in addition to being illegal and immoral) and the threat of an expansion into Iran is frightening beyond words. I thoroughly agree that it is and must remain the number one pressing issue. However, what you fail to consider is what a Ron Paul administration would mean to this country after we have pulled out of Iraq. Roe vs. Wade, health care, and public education are good examples. Where should the U.S. go after a redeployment? Ron Paul's vision would further contribute to the erosion of the middle-class, which has been going on for the last 30 years; not to mention the ongoing and deliberate dumbing down of our population. A country populated by drones would be a very high price to pay and is not acceptable. Just because I don't suffer from political myopia doesn't mean I should reexamine my ethical and moral standing.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:46 AM
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12. What I said...
"We should take what we like and disregard what we do not."

From what I understand he would like to make people less dependent on the government and yes that may include the reduction or elimination of some social programs. According to him we need so many social programs because the people are overtaxed and I think there is some truth in that idea. We are being dumbed down when we relinquish a large part of our income to the government and accept 'pennies on the dollar' in return.

I'm not saying that I would vote for him, but I do feel he has has some valid points.

We have a tendancy to either accept or reject the ideas of people 'in total' and maybe we should examine that position.

Nothing wrong with this statement in my opinion, the whole piece is short and fairly straightforward.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul347.html

"Lower taxes benefit all Americans by increasing economic growth and encouraging wealth creation. I’m in favor of cutting everybody’s taxes – rich, poor, and otherwise. Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by forty dollars a month, or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains and hire more employees, the net effect is beneficial. Both either spend, save, or invest the extra dollars, which helps all of us more than if those dollars were sent to the black hole known as the federal Treasury."

So again...

"We should take what we like and disregard what we do not."






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